Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#66616 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Knowledge that is self evident doesn't require proof, it requires a focus inward. It doesn't take high priced scientific equipment and a bevy of experts - it takes silence and concentration. When are you going to start? What are you afraid of - the truth?
After looking within, I find it self-evident that this is wrong.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#66617 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
Though you tend to life's daily fires - methodically gathering the fruits of your labor, whatever joys, triumphs and knowledge you accumulate is only temporary. Whatever endearing loves you experience are destined to last only a brief time. For in the end it is all taken from you. Nothing learned or felt will be left of your physical experience, nothing left but the smoldering ashes of your funeral pyre. You have nothing to live for - no dreams or promises of greater things beyond your physical prison, and so you lash out at people who do believe. You're like a tragic figure, trudging reluctantly towards your own annihilation. What a collection of eqregious and psychologically damaging myths to believe! Within this bleak and sterile view of reality, if you took your life tomorrow it wouldn't matter. I wonder why you don't?
On the contrary, like the glow of a candle, I have meaning in what I can do here and now. That the candle will eventually blow out is a fact, but doesn't detract from the meaning of now.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#66618 Jan 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Keep repeating your ridiculous religious horsesh*t it has no effect on someone who does't hallucinate a god...
I think you know that god isn't real, you post these lies and propoganda to convince yourself...
PS strikes me as someone that took way too much LSD while reading 'Be Here Now' and believed the resulting religious experience. Hopefully the effects will wear off.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66619 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Knowledge that is self evident doesn't require proof, it requires a focus inward. It doesn't take high priced scientific equipment and a bevy of experts - it takes silence and concentration. When are you going to start? What are you afraid of - the truth?
Nothing is "self evident," as I pointed out to you. That is just a cop-out, an excuse, a way to tell anyone who disagrees with you, in spite of them having all the actual evidence supporting their assertions, that they are wrong, and only idiots, I mean die hard, total buffoons, think that can actually serve as evidence for anything.

Imagine if a physicist said that quantum theory is self evident. Or if electricity was just called "self evident?" We'd never have computers.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66620 Jan 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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So no proof of god then, thanks lying creationist scum. I bet your next post also has no proof of god either. Takes your philosophical bullsh*t elsewhere, we live in the real world here.
Faith's fool! Anything but that, eh?. Yet you demonstrate repeatedly on this forum that you are science's fool displaying a faith in science's myths as real any Christian's faith in God. You are not only a morally bankrupt religious bigot, but a despicable hypocrite.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66621 Jan 4, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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On the contrary, like the glow of a candle, I have meaning in what I can do here and now. That the candle will eventually blow out is a fact, but doesn't detract from the meaning of now.
Science deals with objectification and the division of subject and object, perceiver and the perceived. The transcendental experience involves emotional identification - the exact opposite of separation and alienation.

Without evidence you readily accept the lie that life is nothing more than a preparation for extinction. But let someone disagree and you demand proof while at the same time believing a lie. You don't want evidence - you want signs and wonders. You want bird corpses to pick themselves up and fly again, not once but often enough so you can be really sure. You want the dead to speak yet you don't even know how you speak - where language comes from and how it manifests as speech.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66622 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Science deals with objectification and the division of subject and object, perceiver and the perceived. The transcendental experience involves emotional identification - the exact opposite of separation and alienation.
Without evidence you readily accept the lie that life is nothing more than a preparation for extinction. But let someone disagree and you demand proof while at the same time believing a lie. You don't want evidence - you want signs and wonders. You want bird corpses to pick themselves up and fly again, not once but often enough so you can be really sure. You want the dead to speak yet you don't even know how you speak - where language comes from and how it manifests as speech.
Nice fancy fairy tales, do you have any evidence regarding them? All we're asking for is the evidence so we can see for ourselves.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66623 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nothing is "self evident," as I pointed out to you. That is just a cop-out, an excuse, a way to tell anyone who disagrees with you, in spite of them having all the actual evidence supporting their assertions, that they are wrong, and only idiots, I mean die hard, total buffoons, think that can actually serve as evidence for anything.
Imagine if a physicist said that quantum theory is self evident. Or if electricity was just called "self evident?" We'd never have computers.
The fact that you exist is self-evident. You can deny that you exist of course - it won't change the fact that you do and in our society it could put you in a strait jacket.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66624 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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The fact that you exist is self-evident. You can deny that you exist of course - it won't change the fact that you do and in our society it could put you in a strait jacket.
It is not self evident. Evidence of existence is that I can influence the world around me, I can make things interact, and things interact with me. So again, "self evident" is merely dodging the burden of proof because you know you lack any evidence for your assertion.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66625 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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It is not self evident. Evidence of existence is that I can influence the world around me, I can make things interact, and things interact with me. So again, "self evident" is merely dodging the burden of proof because you know you lack any evidence for your assertion.
You would not perceive influence and interaction with the world around you if you did not exist. Again - the fact that you exist is self-evident and you can't prove it isn't.
John

United States

#66626 Jan 4, 2013
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 63, 940 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.
John

United States

#66627 Jan 4, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Why do you con dumbs bring up Obama's name in every forum?
(Didn't bother to read the rest of your post. I figured it was 100% off topic.)
There is no topic. The forum is about nothing and completely reliant on others to have a voice. Most of you loons voted for this trainwreck so I don't have a problem reminding you of your idiocy on that front either.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66628 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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You would not perceive influence and interaction with the world around you if you did not exist. Again - the fact that you exist is self-evident and you can't prove it isn't.
Why do you insist on thinking backwards. Evidence is there that something exists, you get the evidence long before the existence is apparent. You only know I exist because of the interactions that lead to the posts online, otherwise you have no way of validly asserting that I exist. My neighbor exists, I know this because I hear them moving about, the noise they make is evidence that they exist. I do not see my neighbor, and if there was no noise then me claiming they exist would be lunacy. The evidence precedes the fact, therefore, nothing is self evident.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66629 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Why do you insist on thinking backwards. Evidence is there that something exists, you get the evidence long before the existence is apparent. You only know I exist because of the interactions that lead to the posts online, otherwise you have no way of validly asserting that I exist. My neighbor exists, I know this because I hear them moving about, the noise they make is evidence that they exist. I do not see my neighbor, and if there was no noise then me claiming they exist would be lunacy. The evidence precedes the fact, therefore, nothing is self evident.
To say that something exists, it must first be perceived. If you do not exist, you cannot perceive anything. If you concede that something can exist long before the evidence of its existence is apparent, or perceived, then you should have no problem accepting the idea that God existed long before the earth was formed.

The fact that you perceive something (noise or whatever) is self evidence that you exist. You perceive, therefore you are. I perceive your posts as evidence that you exist. I perceive your existence, therefore you are.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66630 Jan 4, 2013
Yawn logical fallacies the favorite tool for Christians. So bottom line can you show a shred of observable testable data for the existence of god. Your own vivid imagination and word games don't count. Sorry.
postscriptt wrote:
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To say that something exists, it must first be perceived. If you do not exist, you cannot perceive anything. If you concede that something can exist long before the evidence of its existence is apparent, or perceived, then you should have no problem accepting the idea that God existed long before the earth was formed.
The fact that you perceive something (noise or whatever) is self evidence that you exist. You perceive, therefore you are. I perceive your posts as evidence that you exist. I perceive your existence, therefore you are.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66631 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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To say that something exists, it must first be perceived. If you do not exist, you cannot perceive anything. If you concede that something can exist long before the evidence of its existence is apparent, or perceived, then you should have no problem accepting the idea that God existed long before the earth was formed.
The fact that you perceive something (noise or whatever) is self evidence that you exist. You perceive, therefore you are. I perceive your posts as evidence that you exist. I perceive your existence, therefore you are.
Just because the evidence is not known, does not mean that the evidence does not exist. All things which exist have evidence of their existence, it is delusional to state something exists when it is lacking evidence. Evidence, and therefore everything that does actually exist, exists whether we perceive it. You provide no evidence of your claims, therefore you are delusional for asserting that your claims are fact.

It's funny that you concede to my point at the end of your post too.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66632 Jan 4, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Just because the evidence is not known, does not mean that the evidence does not exist. All things which exist have evidence of their existence, it is delusional to state something exists when it is lacking evidence. Evidence, and therefore everything that does actually exist, exists whether we perceive it. You provide no evidence of your claims, therefore you are delusional for asserting that your claims are fact.
It's funny that you concede to my point at the end of your post too.
Evidence that is not perceived cannot be "known".

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#66633 Jan 4, 2013
So why should anyone accept god as anything more than the work of someone's vivid imagination?
postscriptt wrote:
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Evidence that is not perceived cannot be "known".
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66634 Jan 4, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So why should anyone accept god as anything more than the work of someone's vivid imagination?
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Science's unverified hypothesis are the work of imagination, yet you have no trouble accepting these. Why would the idea of a god seem any less worthy of consideration?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66635 Jan 4, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Evidence that is not perceived cannot be "known".
Yes, and nothing that has no evidence cannot be asserted as existing. Glad we cleared that up.

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