Atheists on the march in America

There are 70657 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66591 Jan 2, 2013
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Attention PussyKoder!!! You could try jumping off a 10 story building, I believe you'll find God on the 8th floor in home decor.
Lame, this one is actually lamer than the one Eagle tried. However there's the problem with that, I don't believe in the nonsense of an afterlife, so why would I waste this one life to see if you're correct? You believe in an afterlife, so you are very capable of throwing it all away to do just that. In order to avoid coming to terms with that, you project the notion onto an atheist, because you lack the actual courage and faith to find out if there is an after life or if you're just playing make believe and took it too far.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66592 Jan 2, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Thank you for admitting your point was invalid.
The next time you go to the WalMart skip the electronic gadgets and invest in a dictionary.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66593 Jan 2, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Whatever *that* means. I have a suspicion that your understanding of energy is at the Star trek level.
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Inner senses, eh? And what, precisely, are those?
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Nice fantasy you have there.
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Rocks have nothing to perceive with. They are simply chemicals in well-defined structures that don't react to their environment significantly.
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Or nothing at all. So, what exactly would be something 'tuned' to detect these 'awareized energies'? Let's make a device that detects them and measures them and we can bring all of this into the realm of science. Otherwise, all you have is some fantasies.
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The evidence says otherwise (depending, of course, on the type of anesthesia).
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Yes, what we usually call consciousness is a complex collection of interactions at all brain levels. Basic awareness is different than consciousness.
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Jellyfish have nervous systems that react to stimuli. Their neural nets are very simplistic and don't allow for 'awareness' or, certainly, consciousness. The reaction is much closer to what we have as reflexes, but even more primitive. Reflexes are not consciousness.
It's the other way around, but not to worry. Your current addiction to narrow science fictions is only temporary. You have many lives ahead of you and an "infinite" amount of time to figure it all out.

As I have already stated, before anything is, it is first thought. All possible physical materializations of consciousness exist first in the mental universe - the inner reality. Physical matter flows outward from the center of this vast gestalt of awareized energy of which we are a part. Ideas are alive and creative and they belong to consciousness. Our world came into being in much the same way an idea does. It expands the same way that any idea does. I am not talking about imagination or hallucinations, but a realm of thoughts, of mental actions out of which all realities emerge. Consciousness is no more trapped within this particular earth reality than it is trapped in our physical brains. This earth, like the self you are familiar with, is but one materialization of an inner organization of consciousness. Nothing exists isolated and alone - everything is interrelated. Other earths coexist with this one, and they are in one way or another connected in much the same way our multidimensional selves are connected. Each one carries hints and clues about the others. In terms of the science fictions you know and love, there was no evolution in linear terms but vast expansions of consciousness - of idea constructs - of capacities unfolding on the parts of all species, and these still continue.

Life is an eternal course of action. Your physical experience is a combination of subjective events interlaced with objective acts. Your prosaic beliefs about reality can become impediments to your personal growth and development however, rather than doors to enlightenment. Your flat view of reality is the result of relying too heavily on your physical senses. Perhaps putting it simply will make a dent. I don't interact with you. I interact with my "perception" of you. Physical reality doesn't exist outside of me or you. It is a reflecttion of what exists inside of us. It is an illusion, a physical glass mirror. When you see your reflection in the mirror you know it's not you. You know it's a reflection. When you see the reflection frowning and want it to smile, you dont walk over to the mirror and try to force the reflection to smile. You know you have to smile first. Science, will never have the answers because it is focused on the image in the glass mirror and not on the "source" of that image.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66594 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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It's the other way around, but not to worry. Your current addiction to narrow science fictions is only temporary. You have many lives ahead of you and an "infinite" amount of time to figure it all out.
As I have already stated, before anything is, it is first thought. All possible physical materializations of consciousness exist first in the mental universe - the inner reality. Physical matter flows outward from the center of this vast gestalt of awareized energy of which we are a part. Ideas are alive and creative and they belong to consciousness. Our world came into being in much the same way an idea does. It expands the same way that any idea does. I am not talking about imagination or hallucinations, but a realm of thoughts, of mental actions out of which all realities emerge. Consciousness is no more trapped within this particular earth reality than it is trapped in our physical brains. This earth, like the self you are familiar with, is but one materialization of an inner organization of consciousness. Nothing exists isolated and alone - everything is interrelated. Other earths coexist with this one, and they are in one way or another connected in much the same way our multidimensional selves are connected. Each one carries hints and clues about the others. In terms of the science fictions you know and love, there was no evolution in linear terms but vast expansions of consciousness - of idea constructs - of capacities unfolding on the parts of all species, and these still continue.
Life is an eternal course of action. Your physical experience is a combination of subjective events interlaced with objective acts. Your prosaic beliefs about reality can become impediments to your personal growth and development however, rather than doors to enlightenment. Your flat view of reality is the result of relying too heavily on your physical senses. Perhaps putting it simply will make a dent. I don't interact with you. I interact with my "perception" of you. Physical reality doesn't exist outside of me or you. It is a reflecttion of what exists inside of us. It is an illusion, a physical glass mirror. When you see your reflection in the mirror you know it's not you. You know it's a reflection. When you see the reflection frowning and want it to smile, you dont walk over to the mirror and try to force the reflection to smile. You know you have to smile first. Science, will never have the answers because it is focused on the image in the glass mirror and not on the "source" of that image.
Ok, now prove any of this religious horsesh*t you lying creationist scum

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66595 Jan 3, 2013
God isn't real. Creationists love to use large passages of meandering philosophical bullsh*t in order to hide the fact that they have absolutely no proof of god whatsoever.

All proven to be shameful immoral liars.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66596 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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It's the other way around, but not to worry. Your current addiction to narrow science fictions is only temporary. You have many lives ahead of you and an "infinite" amount of time to figure it all out.
As I have already stated, before anything is, it is first thought. All possible physical materializations of consciousness exist first in the mental universe - the inner reality. Physical matter flows outward from the center of this vast gestalt of awareized energy of which we are a part. Ideas are alive and creative and they belong to consciousness. Our world came into being in much the same way an idea does. It expands the same way that any idea does. I am not talking about imagination or hallucinations, but a realm of thoughts, of mental actions out of which all realities emerge. Consciousness is no more trapped within this particular earth reality than it is trapped in our physical brains. This earth, like the self you are familiar with, is but one materialization of an inner organization of consciousness. Nothing exists isolated and alone - everything is interrelated. Other earths coexist with this one, and they are in one way or another connected in much the same way our multidimensional selves are connected. Each one carries hints and clues about the others. In terms of the science fictions you know and love, there was no evolution in linear terms but vast expansions of consciousness - of idea constructs - of capacities unfolding on the parts of all species, and these still continue.
Life is an eternal course of action. Your physical experience is a combination of subjective events interlaced with objective acts. Your prosaic beliefs about reality can become impediments to your personal growth and development however, rather than doors to enlightenment. Your flat view of reality is the result of relying too heavily on your physical senses. Perhaps putting it simply will make a dent. I don't interact with you. I interact with my "perception" of you. Physical reality doesn't exist outside of me or you. It is a reflecttion of what exists inside of us. It is an illusion, a physical glass mirror. When you see your reflection in the mirror you know it's not you. You know it's a reflection. When you see the reflection frowning and want it to smile, you dont walk over to the mirror and try to force the reflection to smile. You know you have to smile first. Science, will never have the answers because it is focused on the image in the glass mirror and not on the "source" of that image.
Do you have any evidence for any of your claims?
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66597 Jan 3, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Ok, now prove any of this religious horsesh*t you lying creationist scum
Science's fictions. What price do you pay for believing these hypothetical myths?

No God created you. You are nothing more than the flotsam of random chemical combinations washed up from a stagnant pool of dead matter eons ago. A bio-mechanism tossed out into the centuries with no connection to the cosmos, or even the earth - the only home you have. You were born for no reason in a universe created by chance. No wonder you don't feel the divine grace of your own being or that of others!

Though you tend to life's daily fires - methodically gathering the fruits of your labor, whatever joys, triumphs and knowledge you accumulate is only temporary. Whatever endearing loves you experience are destined to last only a brief time. For in the end it is all taken from you. Nothing learned or felt will be left of your physical experience, nothing left but the smoldering ashes of your funeral pyre. You have nothing to live for - no dreams or promises of greater things beyond your physical prison, and so you lash out at people who do believe. You're like a tragic figure, trudging reluctantly towards your own annihilation. What a collection of eqregious and psychologically damaging myths to believe! Within this bleak and sterile view of reality, if you took your life tomorrow it wouldn't matter. I wonder why you don't?
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66598 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Do you have any evidence for any of your claims?
Gimme. Gimme. Gimme! The evidence you seek is self evident. All you have to do is learn how to see and not just look. You ask questions just to ask, then race through the answers just to see where you disagree. Open your mind! A garden of evidence grows within and all about you where it's been all along.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66599 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Gimme. Gimme. Gimme! The evidence you seek is self evident. All you have to do is learn how to see and not just look. You ask questions just to ask, then race through the answers just to see where you disagree. Open your mind! A garden of evidence grows within and all about you where it's been all along.
Nothing is self evident, and anyone who claims it is just wants to dodge the burden of proof. In other words, you want to lie.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66600 Jan 3, 2013
Oh, and I ask questions with the hopes of getting something to learn, I get a ton from the scientific minds, and atheists who know science well, you don't learn anything from assertions, you learn from evidence.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66601 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Oh, and I ask questions with the hopes of getting something to learn, I get a ton from the scientific minds, and atheists who know science well, you don't learn anything from assertions, you learn from evidence.
You confuse knowledge with science's fictions. You will never find "truth" in an image of it.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66602 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Nothing is self evident, and anyone who claims it is just wants to dodge the burden of proof. In other words, you want to lie.
Anyone who denies self evidence is disconnected from himself. Know the world in yourself, never look for yourself in the world.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66603 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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You confuse knowledge with science's fictions. You will never find "truth" in an image of it.
Reality doesn't deal in truth, that is a completely social structure.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66604 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Anyone who denies self evidence is disconnected from himself. Know the world in yourself, never look for yourself in the world.
Still dodging the burden of proof.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66605 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Reality doesn't deal in truth, that is a completely social structure.
Constructed in the main by science's fictions.
postscriptt

Placitas, NM

#66606 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Still dodging the burden of proof.
Knowledge that is self evident doesn't require proof, it requires a focus inward. It doesn't take high priced scientific equipment and a bevy of experts - it takes silence and concentration. When are you going to start? What are you afraid of - the truth?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66607 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Science's fictions. What price do you pay for believing these hypothetical myths?
No God created you. You are nothing more than the flotsam of random chemical combinations washed up from a stagnant pool of dead matter eons ago. A bio-mechanism tossed out into the centuries with no connection to the cosmos, or even the earth - the only home you have. You were born for no reason in a universe created by chance. No wonder you don't feel the divine grace of your own being or that of others!
Though you tend to life's daily fires - methodically gathering the fruits of your labor, whatever joys, triumphs and knowledge you accumulate is only temporary. Whatever endearing loves you experience are destined to last only a brief time. For in the end it is all taken from you. Nothing learned or felt will be left of your physical experience, nothing left but the smoldering ashes of your funeral pyre. You have nothing to live for - no dreams or promises of greater things beyond your physical prison, and so you lash out at people who do believe. You're like a tragic figure, trudging reluctantly towards your own annihilation. What a collection of eqregious and psychologically damaging myths to believe! Within this bleak and sterile view of reality, if you took your life tomorrow it wouldn't matter. I wonder why you don't?
So no proof of god then, thanks lying creationist scum. I bet your next post also has no proof of god either. Takes your philosophical bullsh*t elsewhere, we live in the real world here.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66608 Jan 3, 2013
postscriptt wrote:
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Knowledge that is self evident doesn't require proof, it requires a focus inward. It doesn't take high priced scientific equipment and a bevy of experts - it takes silence and concentration. When are you going to start? What are you afraid of - the truth?
So no proof of god then.

If god is real may he strike me down this second.

Too bad, I'm still ok and there's no such thing as god.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#66609 Jan 3, 2013
still absolutely fine, god isn't real. Point proven once again.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#66610 Jan 3, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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You would be wasting your time. The title the God Delusion says it all. In a hotel, a book written by a religious bigot would be used as toilet paper.
Yes, the title says it all. If you believe in god, you are deluded.

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