Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66514 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
Awareness is the universal property of "all" matter, and that includes rocks.
How are rocks "aware"?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66515 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Awareness is the universal property of "all" matter, and that includes rocks. Just because the existence of consciousness in all things is beyond your level of comprehension, or can't be tested using the scientific method, doesn't mean it is not true. Scientists assume that consciousness "requires" a complex brain. They use this assumption to formulate other assumptions, which are then presented as scientific factoids (something resembling a fact, but not verified). They reason that in humans at least, consciousness must be located somewhere in the central cortex of the brain. One would think that if huge portions of the cerebral cortex were missing, awareness would likewise be missing, but predictably when one deals in assumptions - one is wrong more often than not.
"Some hydranencephalic children - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydranencephaly - give every appearance of genuine consciousness, or awareness. They respond to people and things in their environment. When someone calls, they perk up. The children smile, laugh and cry. They know the difference between familiar people and strangers. They move themselves towards objects they desire. And they prefer some kinds of music over others. If some children with hydranencephaly are conscious, then the brain does not require an intact cerebral cortex to produce consciousness."
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/brainwave...
Research findings regarding other creatures challenge the scientific assumption that only complex brains are capable of possessing consciousness. Octopuses for example,- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus - are classified within the invertebrates in the mollusk family - and many mollusks, like clams, have no brain. Birds have more complex brains than an octopus yet these boneless, so-called mindless critters exhibit not only intelligence, but emotion and individual personalities. They can unscrew jar lids - they are escape artists finding clever ways to get out of aquariums - they can be trained to distinguish between different shapes and patterns - all examples of awarenss not dependent upon a complex brain. So much for scientific factoids, eh?
So ... you're reading headlines and running with them into something that has zero evidence suggesting it.

You are just making it up as you go.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66516 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Lions and tigers and bears - oh, my! For years, Jane Godall and Dian Fossey sat in the middle of chimpanzees and apes capable of tearing humans limb from limb and were never harmed. If you read the works of these women, you will find that they practiced a deep and abiding respect for nature.
As long as man's irresponsible gluttonous habits and insistence on engaging in a mindless global breeding spree push other living things to the edge of their natural habitats - to the edge of extinction in some cases - humans will pay the price. Tsunamis, tornados, and volcanos are natural events. As long as humans build on flood plains, live along coast lines, in tornado alleys, near volcanos - they will pay the price. Blaming a god, or even a devil for our own choices is a cop-out. The Kardashians? A fine example of our human proclivity to find something redeeming in sciolism.
You're capable of killing cats, do you do it everytime there's one around you?
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66517 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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How are rocks "aware"?
Not unlike the way you do. They perceive their own surroundings according to their degree - changing, reacting to natural forces both internal and external.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66518 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You're capable of killing cats, do you do it everytime there's one around you?
Of course not, but neither do animals kill wantonly and mechanically if that is your implication.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66519 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So ... you're reading headlines and running with them into something that has zero evidence suggesting it.
You are just making it up as you go.
Much like science does, eh?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66520 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Of course not, but neither do animals kill wantonly and mechanically if that is your implication.
No, that is the assertion creationists make. I am pointing out that social animals tend to form alliances, friendships are what we call them, even cross species. There are some that are not like that, but very few, all it proves is that we aren't that different from the other animals alive today.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66521 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Much like science does, eh?
No, science contributes to understanding of the universe, then journalists create catchy headlines to draw in readers, you're suppose to read it all.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66522 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, science contributes to understanding of the universe, then journalists create catchy headlines to draw in readers, you're suppose to read it all.
Like explaining how something comes from nothing?
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66523 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, that is the assertion creationists make. I am pointing out that social animals tend to form alliances, friendships are what we call them, even cross species. There are some that are not like that, but very few, all it proves is that we aren't that different from the other animals alive today.
Yes, it is called cooperation and cooperation requires awareness.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66524 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Like explaining how something comes from nothing?
Physics has, that's why the singularity idea is being looked at more seriously now. So I fail to see your point. You say something came from nothing, you just changed what that something is.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66525 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Yes, it is called cooperation and cooperation requires awareness.
Yes, but rocks don't cooperate, they certainly don't care about who or what they squish, and they don't move on their own.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66526 Dec 31, 2012
How are rocks "aware"?
postscriptt wrote:
Not unlike the way you do. They perceive their own surroundings according to their degree - changing, reacting to natural forces both internal and external.
Rocks have no change or reaction to natural forces beyond that required by basic chemistry and physics. When the concept of awareness is stretched to include nothing more than chemical and physical properties, it loses all useful meaning.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66527 Dec 31, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yes, but rocks don't cooperate, they certainly don't care about who or what they squish, and they don't move on their own.
You are superimposing your "human" perception of reality on a rock's reality. You are obviously not a rock, how could you know how they perceive reality?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66528 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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You are superimposing your "human" perception of reality on a rock's reality. You are obviously not a rock, how could you know how they perceive reality?
No, see above post by Drew.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66529 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
How are rocks "aware"?
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Rocks have no change or reaction to natural forces beyond that required by basic chemistry and physics. When the concept of awareness is stretched to include nothing more than chemical and physical properties, it loses all useful meaning.
This is what it means to you as a human, but not a rock. Example, we perceive air as gaseous and breathable, but to a tree it could be as thick as pudding - a perception necessary to support its heavy branches.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66530 Dec 31, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
You are obviously not a rock, how could you know how they perceive reality?
You are obviously not a rock, how could you know that they perceive it at all?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#66531 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You are obviously not a rock, how could you know that they perceive it at all?
Well, he's as dense as one.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#66532 Dec 31, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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You are obviously not a rock, how could you know that they perceive it at all?
My five senses tell me a rock is an object, but they can't tell me if it is aware.
John

United States

#66533 Dec 31, 2012
Still no evidence from the atheists using the criteria they hold others accountable to. Let's start another year of your collective dishonesty and bigotry.

They have 63,000 posts just to reiterate no claim. There isn't an agenda here though LOL. Well, if you believe in that you will probably believe in the ridiculousness of something from nothing.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

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