Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70629 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#66151 Dec 21, 2012
I have been destroying that reject for a while now. He is a magic beans and elves type.

Pitiful really.
-Skeptic- wrote:
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I bet you're another creationist troll with no proof of god.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#66152 Dec 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Large segments? Hardly. But even if say large segments of Muslims who report NDEs all day Muhammad and the hoy she camel of Allah was waiting for them it doesn't prove they exist. All that would show is like minded people would be comforted by the delusions they had been fed all their lives.
Catholics don't see Muhammad, Muslims do not see Jesus, Protestants don't see mother Mary and retards like you don't see reason.
You believe in NDEs! Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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Scientists will tell you that something comes from nothing. They will tell you that things exist that cannot be seen like dark matter and dark energy. So what's you point, genius?

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#66153 Dec 21, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
When one person reports a precognitive dream, it is simple enough to dismiss, particularly if unverified. But when large segments of each generation throughout history report such phenomena, when scientists in their own times come across such reports, we have another situation entirely. These are events that by their nature happen to people in their private moments. To dismiss such a range of experience is to be close minded.
It is one thing to state unequivocally that such events are most difficult to assess scientifically, but quite another to deny their common recurrence in human behavior, or to dismiss "all" paranormal events as fabrication, hallucination, or the natural reaction to drugs or shock. It is also close to stupidity to continue using methods directly in conflict with such abilities in an attempt to prove their validity. Science often engages in experiments that typically screen out "unpredictable" human behavior.
The only way to study the precognitive dreaming phenonmena is to interview people who experience these dreams. Explaining it away as mere coincidence is hardly being objective.
Objective? Science demands predictable experiments, or experiments that always produce the same results yet it often misses the obvious. It short circuits itself and us, because humans are not predictable and for a very obvious reason, no two of us are alike.
John

United States

#66154 Dec 21, 2012
Swings and misses as usual from the bigots. No evidence at all that meets their rules for evidence. To further their noncause each one smartly avoids any debate at all that requires an accountable position vs a prime mover.
A prime mover is the logical, rational choice. Nothing can never be correct.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#66155 Dec 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
I have been destroying that reject for a while now. He is a magic beans and elves type.
Pitiful really.
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Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package! You live in La La land, Goober. The only thing you've destroyed is any semblance of our own intelligence.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#66156 Dec 21, 2012
I've no interest in your arse.
John wrote:
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That will make everyone buy into your impossible charade. The lies and bigotry of the antitheist are here for all to see!
*poof* another magic universe sprung from nothing LOL. Freethinking my ass lmao.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#66157 Dec 21, 2012
You're effectively as much an anti-theist as anyone.

You disbelieve every religion but your own.
John wrote:
Swings and misses as usual from the bigots. No evidence at all that meets their rules for evidence. To further their noncause each one smartly avoids any debate at all that requires an accountable position vs a prime mover.
A prime mover is the logical, rational choice. Nothing can never be correct.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#66158 Dec 21, 2012
Hey spermbreath nothing you trolled here even remotely deals with what I said.

Be sure to swallow ok chump?
digitaldan wrote:
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Scientists will tell you that something comes from nothing. They will tell you that things exist that cannot be seen like dark matter and dark energy. So what's you point, genius?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#66159 Dec 21, 2012
Wanna buy some magic beans cabin boy?
digitaldan wrote:
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Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package! You live in La La land, Goober. The only thing you've destroyed is any semblance of our own intelligence.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#66160 Dec 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Hey spermbreath nothing you trolled here even remotely deals with what I said.
Be sure to swallow ok chump?
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What you say never makes sense. Go back to Club Brain Dead where you belong.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#66161 Dec 21, 2012
It doesn't make sense because you lack the IQ to comprehend. Here let me come way down to your level, wanker.

You believe in the paranormal right? I have some magic beans for sale! Two for one special!
digitaldan wrote:
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What you say never makes sense. Go back to Club Brain Dead where you belong.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66162 Dec 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
It doesn't make sense because you lack the IQ to comprehend. Here let me come way down to your level, wanker.
You believe in the paranormal right? I have some magic beans for sale! Two for one special!
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Uh huh, next you'll be telling us that global warming isn't man-made, but the fault of evil Muslim purple pixies who pull special magic Climat-O-Levers that control the weather.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66163 Dec 21, 2012
digitaldan wrote:
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Objective? Science demands predictable experiments, or experiments that always produce the same results yet it often misses the obvious. It short circuits itself and us, because humans are not predictable and for a very obvious reason, no two of us are alike.
Precisely. Experience does not need to be tested. It is self evident and demonstrated through the changes it brings in a person's life.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66164 Dec 21, 2012
Throughout history, gods have always been part of man's existence, which puts the unbelieving atheist in a quandary. He must stifle the natural human tendency to appeal to something greater than himself for assistance. If the atheist cries out, "Oh God,"even silently in times of severe personal distress, he must deny to himself that he ever uttered that word. The atheist must live in denial because science has taught him to fear feelings of reverence - to thank something as lifeless as "coincidence" instead of providence for his deliverance.

The atheist is no different than the religious. Instead of God, the object of his adoration and worship is science. For upon that object he places all of his hopes and dreams and yet the universe makes no such distinctions. The same sun shines upon us all whether we think ourselves saints or sinners, believers or non believers.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#66165 Dec 21, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
The atheist is no different than the religious. Instead of God, the object of his adoration and worship is science.
I'm an atheist, but I don't worship science.

Guess you're wrong.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66166 Dec 21, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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I'm an atheist, but I don't worship science.
Guess you're wrong.
Really? Can your hypothesis be tested? Because if it can't, you can't say it's wrong by scientific standards.
John

United States

#66167 Dec 21, 2012
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 63, 480 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#66168 Dec 21, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Like Ebenezer Scrooge, physicists see the shadows of things that might be, not the shadows of things that must be. For all anyone knows, gravity is part of an illusion, a side effect of something else going on at a deeper level of reality. Erik Verlinde, a respected string theorist and professor of physics at the University of Amsterdam, says gravity doesn't exist. He thinks physicists are looking at gravity the wrong way and that there is something more basic from which gravity “emerges."
And when he produces a testable hypothesis that does better than the standard view, he will have a point. Until then, he is simply speculating.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#66169 Dec 21, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
A parodox exists between relativity and quantum physics. In relativity, time and space are relative to the observer. Einstein's equations allow one to accurately transform position data from one reference frame to another. Quantum mechanics treats time and space as a rigid, fixed, four dimensional coordinate system, however it shows that it is impossible to place any object in this coordinate system with absolute precision. So either time and space are flexible and relative to the observer, or they are fixed. The observer's position as well as what he is observing can only be stated as a probability. Solving this paradox is the Holy Grail of modern physics and there are many theories that attempt to do so - that attempt to define a grand unified theory.
Sorry, but this was clearly written by someone who knows nothing of either relativity or quantum mechanics. In particular, quantum field theories, such as Quantum Electrodynamics (QED) are fully relativistic theories. There is no 'rigidity' of time in these theories than there is in spacial relativity. Furthermore, the idea of time being 'flexible and relative to the observer' is a phrase that is subject to misinterpretation, especially by those that know nothing of the subject.
Why not throw out time altogether? It isn't a field, substance or particle that physics can measure.
It can be measured. In fact, it is measured by clocks. Just like space is measured by rulers and mass is measured by scales (among other ways).
It's an illusion created by human consciousness.
Clearly flat out wrong. Consciousness has nothing to say about anything happening faster than about 1 millisecond (and usually much slower--think the illusion of motion in cinemas). In particular, the time of the decay of a muon is something that will never be experienced by consciousness directly, but is still very relevant to modern physics.
Enter Julian Barbour who is a physicist: Like Einstein, he says time is simultaneous.
Where, exactly, did Einstein say this?
He suggests that the universe consists of an infinite number of "eternal nows". Because of our distorted perception of time, we only see one "now" at a time, as it moves along through all of the "nows" that make up our multidimensional lives. In Barbour's universe, you are being born, attending your first day of school, getting married, and lying on your deathbed all at once in different nows. However the only YOU you are aware of is the one reading this post. Barbour believes that by eliminating time as a fundamental property of the universe would remove much of the difficulty in uniting relativity with quantum physics and thereby slay the final dragon of science - the search for a unified theory. Surprisingly, many physicists and cosmologists think time will have to be left out of the a final equation, and many suspect the concept of space may have to go as well. Interestingly, paranormal experiences concur by demonstating that time is of no consequence.
Pure fantasy. Nothing testable here.
postscriptt

Albuquerque, NM

#66170 Dec 21, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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And when he produces a testable hypothesis that does better than the standard view, he will have a point. Until then, he is simply speculating.
If speculation is acceptable then atheists should have no problem with people who speculate about religious matters. Yet, they do. Why?

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