Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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There is some truth to your assertion that the scientific community has reduced the value of life to a set of natural laws (so to speak). However, I would say religion's mythical notion that man is essentially the climax of creation has played an equally important role in the great fallacy that is civilized thought. Through science/technology (agriculture specifically), man has leaned how to defeat the earth's ecological negative feedback system; allowing our population to grow unchecked. Religion has offered the justification. The difference is that while religion has taken misguided notions and ran with them; science has continued to study and advance our knowledge, and we have had the option of adjusting our behavior based on these new discoveries.
None of which explains the "source" of what we recognize as compassion and caring in our species as well as others.
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I think man probably WILL end up being the climax of creation here on earth... we're gonna make SURE of that.
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Those that seek a win/win are more likely to be successful and selected on. Hence compassion.
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Science hasn't been any more successful proving that genes alone guide human conduct than it has its bogus theory of evolution.
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No, but you ignore the bible with regards to witches.
What else do you ignore in the bible?
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It appears you are stuck in the 15th century.
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None of which explains the "source" of what we recognize as compassion and caring in our species as well as others.
"Compassion" is part of our genetic hard-wiring as social animals. We are definitely NOT the only creatures on the earth with a sense of compassion. Any animals that run in groups have a compassion element. It is absolutely necessary for the survival of the group.

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There is some truth to your assertion that the scientific community has reduced the value of life to a set of natural laws (so to speak).
Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
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Thinking wrote:
Those that seek a win/win are more likely to be successful and selected on. Hence compassion.
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Based on what evidence, 15th century delusions?
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Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
Such thinking allows science to have no morality, to ignore its responsibility to hold itself accountable for what it does.

A moral science that works to raise our humanity is imperative, particularly in the face of an endangered planet and nightmarish weapons spreading everywhere.
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Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
Thus why I said "so to speak"

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You still arguing for the invisible sky wizard? What an idiot.
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From a sky god to a magical realm where dead matter mysteriously comes to life. A quantum leap indeed! LOL!
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Such thinking allows science to have no morality, to ignore its responsibility to hold itself accountable for what it does.
A moral science that works to raise our humanity is imperative, particularly in the face of an endangered planet and nightmarish weapons spreading everywhere.
Unfortunately... short of a radical overhaul of our values as civilized people, there is no real way to "raise our humanity" to levels that it would require to stop our destructive path. We have been trying for at least 10,000 years to build a society that works but have failed every time because every system we build is based on a flawed premise that "this time man will act better than he ever has before". "He will be more moral". "He will be less destructive". "He will have more compassion". "He will be less greedy". Etc. Meanwhile, he repeats the same exact mistakes over and over again. He grows without limit. He expands "his" territory and subjugates whatever and whoever lives there... insisting that HIS way is the only way. He builds vast empires while oppressing his own subjects. It's invariably the same story every time. We are basically prisoners in a lifestyle that compels us to destroy the earth in order to survive. Science has of course provided evidence to support that assertion, but our system itself is fundamentally flawed in a way that in order for the system to work it must continue to play out this way and there are no other possibilities.

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You lack the tools needed to understand. That's ok half wit. Get your GED and you might start catching on.
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Science hasn't been any more successful proving that genes alone guide human conduct than it has its bogus theory of evolution.

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If science is not responsible for compassion, where does it come from?
Strange question. Science is the method we use to learn about how the universe works. Compassion is the feeling of identification we have to another intelligent being. So the question makes no sense to me. Now, compassion *is* a brain state and so is based on a physical process, if that was your issue/.

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Unfortunately... short of a radical overhaul of our values as civilized people, there is no real way to "raise our humanity" to levels that it would require to stop our destructive path. We have been trying for at least 10,000 years to build a society that works but have failed every time because every system we build is based on a flawed premise that "this time man will act better than he ever has before". "He will be more moral". "He will be less destructive". "He will have more compassion". "He will be less greedy". Etc. Meanwhile, he repeats the same exact mistakes over and over again. He grows without limit. He expands "his" territory and subjugates whatever and whoever lives there... insisting that HIS way is the only way. He builds vast empires while oppressing his own subjects. It's invariably the same story every time. We are basically prisoners in a lifestyle that compels us to destroy the earth in order to survive. Science has of course provided evidence to support that assertion, but our system itself is fundamentally flawed in a way that in order for the system to work it must continue to play out this way and there are no other possibilities.
And part of the problem is that the morality of 2000 years ago doesn't work well in today's society...we have to get rid of the religious mumbo jumbo and actually learn how to work together rather than using superstitious beliefs to drive us apart.
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Such thinking allows science to have no morality, to ignore its responsibility to hold itself accountable for what it does.
A moral science that works to raise our humanity is imperative, particularly in the face of an endangered planet and nightmarish weapons spreading everywhere.
Yes... science invented the A-bomb and developed poisons. Science also played a major role in making our destructive population expansion possible. But science ALSO woke up from it's sleep in the early 60s and has been willing to acknowledge the evidence put forth about our effect on the environment. Since then, science has taken steps to minimize our impact on the ecosystem. Granted, we have a long way to go (and I'll be shocked if we don't kill ourselves off before we get there); but science is making an effort. Science is perfectly willing to admit when it's been proven wrong. Religion is still denying hard evidence about nature and the origin of life.

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Such thinking allows science to have no morality
*Humans* have morality. Science doesn't. Science is a collection of information (facts and theories) and a process to obtain it.
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to ignore its responsibility to hold itself accountable for what it does.
Science itself has no such responsibility.*Humans* have a responsibility to hold themselves accountable for what they do, but that's true even when it's not science they are engaging in.

Don't confuse the process with the person engaging in it.
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Really bad cop-out fallacy.
If you don't have actual evidence, then you cannot make the assertion. You have no evidence, therefore all it is you have is wishful thinking.
I can't explain it, the bible states that all will be revealed in the end. But I do know this, when I chose to live under his leadership, my life has changed profoundly, I have almost been granted everything that I have asked for, from family to career and I couldn't be happier.:) Call it what you will, but I am sticking to believing and most that say they just believe but do not really adhere to the gospels , I hate to say , live miserable existences, from drugs to alcoholism, etc. I am not saying I am a perfect christian, but I do succeed at most endeavors that I seek, and I always pray and ask God for his guidance, plus I give to three different charities, because of my successes through him and it looks like I am having another door open for me career wise in January, which will triple what I make now, so that I may be able to give more. So, again call it what you will, I am sticking with my game plan, which is believing and serving the lord. Oh and by the way, have a Merry Christmas!
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And part of the problem is that the morality of 2000 years ago doesn't work well in today's society...we have to get rid of the religious mumbo jumbo and actually learn how to work together rather than using superstitious beliefs to drive us apart.
Honestly, the morality of 2000 years ago didn't work then either. There were still the same kinds of moral problems as we have today, they just SEEM smaller in retrospect... mostly because they've been magnified by population expansion and technology. The religious mumbo-jumbo never really has worked. Religion was invented by man in an attempt to tell us the right way to live. The reason man needs prophets to tell him how to live is because we've basically abandoned our roots and a system that worked in favor of a system that runs contrary to our nature on almost every level. For man's first 2-3 million years, we lived in tribes. There was a sense of security and inclusiveness within the tribes that we've never even come close to replicating in society... as society is fundamentally based on material wealth and for the most part autonomy. With the evaporation of the tribal sense of security and the ushering in of a new way of life that divided people with hierarchy; people were left largely disenfranchised. It's no surprise that people began to develop a sense of emptiness and longing. In order for people to get some sense of reason for all of this, they invented religious legends to try to explain away what didn't make sense and has never made sense. If we look at the way our tribal ancestors operated for most of man's existence, we will find the answers to what works best for people. We are brainwashed by our culture to believe the tribal system was wrong and that we've culturally "evolved" to what we are today. But that itself is a myth. We didn't evolve to this. It was just a certain group of people who developed a certain lifestyle that gave them the power to force that lifestyle on the rest of humanity.

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Do you? It's all been hashed and rehashed a gazillion times over. The fact remains, religion can't prove God exists and science can't prove God doesn't exist. It's an endless circular argument - round and round it goes proving nothing. Using a raft of fallacious arguments based on the out-dated pseudo science of talkorigins doesn't make your assertions any more plausibe, or even intelligent for that matter.
If god existed, there would be evidence of his existence. But there is none, so we can conclude he doesn't exist.
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And part of the problem is that the morality of 2000 years ago doesn't work well in today's society...we have to get rid of the religious mumbo jumbo and actually learn how to work together rather than using superstitious beliefs to drive us apart.
Compassion is the same today as it was 2000 years ago.

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