Atheists on the march in America

[KittenKoder]

digitaldan wrote:

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Evolution has never been independently verified. When a scientific premise is flawed to begin with, entire fields of study based on that premise end up to be conclusively wrong.

So, gravity is wrong too?

Newtonian gravity only works on Earth's surface, it literally fails everywhere else. Luckily it worked well enough to get us to our moon. The original "laws" were so flawed that they got completely overturned, and are now only used for third grade level physics as a precursor to learning the real ones. If your assertion was true, then we wouldn't have made it to the moon and we wouldn't have planes.

[Thinking]

Do you want to show the nice officer where the priest touched you? There is help available for you.

John wrote:

Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 62,960 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

[emperorjohn]

Atheism will soon replace religion.

[-Skeptic-]

digitaldan wrote:

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Good question! Kitten routinely confuses mutations and adaptation within a species with evolution. There is much debate in science in fact about what constitutes a species and what is sufficient in experiments to demonstrate evolution.
The evolutionary evidence presented to date regarding her list of creatures is at best inconclusive. The fruit fly however is the perfect test subject because of its short life span and four pairs of chromosomes. Despite experiments and a hundred years of opportunity, no evidence of evolution has been demonstrated.
http://suite101.com/article/fruit-flies-and-e...

Religious liar with no proof of god, lying to intelligent athiests who have already proven you wrong.

[-Skeptic-]

digitaldan wrote:

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The radioactive method of dating is unreliable because of sample contamination and unpredictable changes in the decay rate.

And therefore the earth is 6000 years old.. F*ck off creationist scum.

[Hedonist]

digitaldan wrote:

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Is renouncement a prerequistie in the atheist's handbook of proper protocol?
While Hitler may have professed his faith publically, his private writings said something else. He was diabolical enough to use religion as a means of control....

That religion was such an effective means of control and Christians were so eager to follow the tenets of Martin Luther in the extermination of the Jews IS just as damning, whether Hitler himself believe or not is kind of icing on the cake.

I don't really know, I can just go by what his writing say. You on the other hand apparently claim some magical insight into his inner motivations.

digitaldan wrote:

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...Moron

And the classic ad hominem. Such a fine example of Christian hate.

[Hedonist]

digitaldan wrote:

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Good question! Kitten routinely confuses mutations and adaptation within a species with evolution. There is much debate in science in fact about what constitutes a species and what is sufficient in experiments to demonstrate evolution.
The evolutionary evidence presented to date regarding her list of creatures is at best inconclusive. The fruit fly however is the perfect test subject because of its short life span and four pairs of chromosomes. Despite experiments and a hundred years of opportunity, no evidence of evolution has been demonstrated.
http://suite101.com/article/fruit-flies-and-e...

Maybe we should just tell all the biologists to just stop their research and ask you for their answers.

No, wait, you're not a biologist. You're not even a practicing scientist in any discipline, let alone any of the Earth sciences.

So why should anybody care what your uninformed opinions is.

I'd much rather listen to the biologists that have been studying, researching, testing, and VERIFYING evolution biology for the past 150 years.

These are the people who are getting better and better at being able to predict how biology actually works. These are the people who are improving food production through higher crop yields and animal husbandry techniques. These are the people who are improving everybody health and developing the next generation of biological solutions.

You on the other hand have an agenda, so your opinion is less than worthless.

[Drew Smith]

Imagine if someone said "The only reason you give the Germ Theory of Disease any credence is because the whole silly notion excludes disease being caused by demons." That's how I see your statement.

postscript wrote:

Scared of demons. Thought so. No god, no sin, no hell, is that it?

In other words, you failed to get the point.

Since you clearly don't understand analogies, I'll be explicit: People don't accept evolution merely because they are motivated to reject the supernatural. They accept evolution because it is capable of explaining what is observed using natural processes, and therefore it is capable of making predictions as to what will be observed in the future.

[Drew Smith]

Independent wrote:

You should really try to explain how a human eye or any eye evolved.

It's been done:

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB301.h...

Guess you missed that.

[digitaldan]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You mean evolved from what for most of them. The original fruit that was the "banana," forget the name of it, was full of seed, inedible to humans, we picked the ones with fewer seeds and planted those, now they have no seeds in the fruit itself. It evolved.
Fruit flies have been evolved, guided of course, in a lab to become new species of fruit flies. Some that were so different they even looked different.
Cows are another that we picked the ones we liked and set the originals free, until they became cows. Their four stomachs is a result of us picking wrong, though they are tastier than yaks now.
Yellow corn is more edible than the others, and the most recent one we guided purposefully, buy planting only those with the most yellow in them we eventually created all yellow corn, several varieties even.
MRSA was originally Staphylococcus, we calle it MRSA because the bacteria is still similar, but with bacteria and viruses, if we named every single species with unique names, we'd lose count of the names, so we recycle them.
AIDS was Simian AIDS before the human version existed, and that's not even the first AIDS to exist, it's been through several species, and each time one evolves to infect a new species, it becomes a new species itself.
Anymore stupid questions?

Adaptive mutation is evolutionary apologetics.

Once again, there is no proof that small scale changes within a species produce the massive changes necessary to form entirely new creatures, which the theory of evolution requires and which is why there are large gaps in the fossil record.

[digitaldan]

KittenKoder wrote:

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So, gravity is wrong too?
Newtonian gravity only works on Earth's surface, it literally fails everywhere else. Luckily it worked well enough to get us to our moon. The original "laws" were so flawed that they got completely overturned, and are now only used for third grade level physics as a precursor to learning the real ones. If your assertion was true, then we wouldn't have made it to the moon and we wouldn't have planes.

Only if you think gravity plays a role in the theory of evolution which is what we were discussing. Twit.

[digitaldan]

emperorjohn wrote:

Atheism will soon replace religion.

You are fighting a losing battle. On both intellectual and philosophical levels, materialist explanations for our mysterious human existence settles nothing. Proves nothing.

"God [consciousness] formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And man became a living soul." Materialism will never explain these words because scientists cannot test metaphor or consciousness in a laboratory.

The world was lost in pagan immorality until the Christ concept changed all that. Obviously you barbaric, knuckle dragging philistines didn't get the message. In the 21st century, instead of practicing dark malevolent rituals on each other by firelight, you are content to spread your Darwinian manure all over the Internet.

[digitaldan]

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Religious liar with no proof of god, lying to intelligent athiests who have already proven you wrong.

Atheism is not a fact of experience, or even a deduction of logic. It's a choice based on a fear of the unknown.

[digitaldan]

-Skeptic- wrote:

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And therefore the earth is 6000 years old.. F*ck off creationist scum.

For all science knows, this is the second earth. The asteroid belt is what's left of the first one.

[digitaldan]

Hedonist wrote:

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That religion was such an effective means of control and Christians were so eager to follow the tenets of Martin Luther in the extermination of the Jews IS just as damning, whether Hitler himself believe or not is kind of icing on the cake.
I don't really know, I can just go by what his writing say. You on the other hand apparently claim some magical insight into his inner motivations.
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And the classic ad hominem. Such a fine example of Christian hate.

You make a lot noise about the ad hominem approach and then use a collection of scientific prejudices as a means to belittle religion and think you are providing proof that God does not exist. You're not a hedonist. You're a hypocrite.

[digitaldan]

Hedonist wrote:

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Maybe we should just tell all the biologists to just stop their research and ask you for their answers.
No, wait, you're not a biologist. You're not even a practicing scientist in any discipline, let alone any of the Earth sciences.
So why should anybody care what your uninformed opinions is.
I'd much rather listen to the biologists that have been studying, researching, testing, and VERIFYING evolution biology for the past 150 years.
These are the people who are getting better and better at being able to predict how biology actually works. These are the people who are improving food production through higher crop yields and animal husbandry techniques. These are the people who are improving everybody health and developing the next generation of biological solutions.
You on the other hand have an agenda, so your opinion is less than worthless.

As long as you expect others to provide answers to your questions, you risk being led astray. As it is, you're a victim of science's mass delusion and too stupid to realize it. Take postscript's advice. Learn how to use the natural abilities of your own consciousness to find answers.

[Hedonist]

digitaldan wrote:

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As long as you expect others to provide answers to your questions, you risk being led astray. As it is, you're a victim of science's mass delusion and too stupid to realize it. Take postscript's advice. Learn how to use the natural abilities of your own consciousness to find answers.

No, I read and study and challenge myself to remain scientific literate. That's how I know you're not.

[Hedonist]

digitaldan wrote:

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Atheism is not a fact of experience, or even a deduction of logic. It's a choice based on a fear of the unknown.

Now that's funny!

So atheism is the arrogant belief that the entire universe with its billions of galaxies was NOT created just for us.

[Hedonist]

digitaldan wrote:

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...As it is, you're a victim of science's mass delusion and too stupid to realize it.....

And yet you're typing on a computer developed through this mass delusion of science. And it's using the internet, another development of this mass delusion of science. All the modern processed foods, medicines, cars, planes,... well, pretty much every aspect of your life is a product of this mass delusion of science. That is, unless you're Amish.

[digitaldan]

Hedonist wrote:

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No, I read and study and challenge myself to remain scientific literate. That's how I know you're not.

According to Dawkins, you are a no more than a robotic vehicle blindly programmed to preserve your selfish genes. How could you possibly "know" anything of value?