Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.
I would have to agree. Atheists like to think that science has all but obliterated religion with its so-called objective facts. What the atheist doesn't understand is that science has simply changed the wording, but not the story.

The most pessimistic elements of Christianity have been given a new scientific face. Freud's theories have come to represent the darker aspects of human psychology, the soul cut free from the conventional belief in an omnipotent god...stripped of its power and delegated to a series of mechanical reactions called instinctive drives. Psychologists have replaced a theological hell with a psychological hell, and turned the concept of "original sin" into primitive implulses stamped upon the genes in infancy. Psychoanalysis has replaced the Catholic confessional. The psychologist is the new priest who stands between the conscious and subconscious elements of man. The drive for salvation (divine perfection), has been replaced with salvation through psychotropic drugs.

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Photo on the left is a 125 million year old fossil of a mayfly.
Photo on the right is the mayfly as it exists today. They are identical. No change, and this is just one of many examples. Here's the proof right before your eyes that the theory of evolution is a myth!
http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Atlas_of_crea...
Funny that you pick the mayfly, considering it's helping us to discover a natural cause for abiogenesis as well.

http://news.bio-medicine.org/biology-news-2/F...

Yeah, you need to catch up on science before attempting to address scientific matters. Not to mention physiological changes have been addressed by multiple posters, multiple scientists, and even a lot of other people so many times. Get an up to date "argument," you old crone.

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I would have to agree. Atheists like to think that science has all but obliterated religion with its so-called objective facts. What the atheist doesn't understand is that science has simply changed the wording, but not the story.
The most pessimistic elements of Christianity have been given a new scientific face. Freud's theories have come to represent the darker aspects of human psychology, the soul cut free from the conventional belief in an omnipotent god...stripped of its power and delegated to a series of mechanical reactions called instinctive drives. Psychologists have replaced a theological hell with a psychological hell, and turned the concept of "original sin" into primitive implulses stamped upon the genes in infancy. Psychoanalysis has replaced the Catholic confessional. The psychologist is the new priest who stands between the conscious and subconscious elements of man. The drive for salvation (divine perfection), has been replaced with salvation through psychotropic drugs.
How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.

Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.

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Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.
Oh, you are so clueless, so then we weren't made from dirt according to your book of myths? That's what it says, that we were made from dead matter. Yet, you cannot demonstrate a difference between the matter that makes up a human, that that which makes up a rock.

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<quoted text>You should really try to explain how a human eye or any eye evolved. It is so complex and irreducible complexity comes to mind here. What came first? The brain or the eye? Can't have one without the other for evolution to succeed. They have to continually 'evolve' together and the species needs to not become extinct for the concept of vision to prosper. Then you have the issue of different classes of creatures, whom are not even related, also "evolving" vision. The odds are astronomical, there fore we are all created by a creator. Evolution has the same chance of becoming, as a tornado tearing through a junkyard and when everything has settled, there is a Boeing 747 airliner, full of jet fuel, waiting for a pilot. A beautiful butterfly in all it's grandeur , requires a creator, as does an intricate pocket watch. Life cannot simply evolve because with time anything is possible, if that were the case, then the planets in our solar system that are not gaseous, would have had some sort of life thriving on each and everyone of them, but as far as we know, they don't.
Here's a very simple explanation, with citations and that thing you hate called evidence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the...

The image showing it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Stop being willfully naive for a change.

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Oh, you are so clueless, so then we weren't made from dirt according to your book of myths? That's what it says, that we were made from dead matter. Yet, you cannot demonstrate a difference between the matter that makes up a human, that that which makes up a rock.


I've had no problem following postscript's comments on the nature of consciousness. What's your major malfunction?

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How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.
Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.
It's where the next gap in our knowledge is. That's where it always has been and where it always will be.

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I've had no problem following postscript's comments on the nature of consciousness. What's your major malfunction?
Yet, no one has proven that consciousness exists beyond the brain, we can trace consciousness in the brain, so where's your evidence that it exists outside of the physical brain?
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Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 62,880 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

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Yet, no one has proven that consciousness exists beyond the brain, we can trace consciousness in the brain, so where's your evidence that it exists outside of the physical brain?
If you don't get it by now, you never will.

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If you don't get it by now, you never will.
Really bad cop-out fallacy.

If you don't have actual evidence, then you cannot make the assertion. You have no evidence, therefore all it is you have is wishful thinking.

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Go read your book of talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns, giants and slavery. It has all the answers you need.
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If you don't get it by now, you never will.

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How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.
Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.
The phrase, changed the wording, was used in a metaphoric sense, dummy.

At least within the dogma of religion the poor, the prostitute, the workingman, the scholar can become the saint. But within the confines of science, mankind is stripped of altruism and self - determination, his drives forever predetermined by genetic coding and neurotic conditioning.

The survival of the fittest theory is science's grandest example of amoral posturing. Compassion and sympathy not only went out of style, their expression was considered evidence of duplicity.

Encouraged by Freudian delusions and still operating under evolution's false premise [survival of the fittest] western civilization is faced with a thematic situation in which no individual is trustworthy but is automatically biologically geared to undertake any course to ensure survival. Survival of the fittest has mutated into might makes right. The arms race and destructive nuclear devices became necessary because we now believe we belong to a species that kills to survive. A species that lacks the grace of the natural world, while retaining an overly exaggerated beastliness, projected by science as man's natural state of existence. As a result of this lack of morality, the human animal is spreading his killer genes through the use of technology. Sadly, the natural world and its ecosystems have become fair game. This is science's amoral legacy. This is your god.

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Go read your book of talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns, giants and slavery. It has all the answers you need.
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For an atheist, you seem to be obsessed with the bible. You bring it up more often than your proponents. Perhaps your time would be better spent figuring out the reason why.

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The phrase, changed the wording, was used in a metaphoric sense, dummy.
At least within the dogma of religion the poor, the prostitute, the workingman, the scholar can become the saint. But within the confines of science, mankind is stripped of altruism and self - determination, his drives forever predetermined by genetic coding and neurotic conditioning.
The survival of the fittest theory is science's grandest example of amoral posturing. Compassion and sympathy not only went out of style, their expression was considered evidence of duplicity.
Encouraged by Freudian delusions and still operating under evolution's false premise [survival of the fittest] western civilization is faced with a thematic situation in which no individual is trustworthy but is automatically biologically geared to undertake any course to ensure survival. Survival of the fittest has mutated into might makes right. The arms race and destructive nuclear devices became necessary because we now believe we belong to a species that kills to survive. A species that lacks the grace of the natural world, while retaining an overly exaggerated beastliness, projected by science as man's natural state of existence. As a result of this lack of morality, the human animal is spreading his killer genes through the use of technology. Sadly, the natural world and its ecosystems have become fair game. This is science's amoral legacy. This is your god.
You call me a "dummy" then you pull the old "metaphor" canard, which is nothing more than the "context" canard really. Then you go and completely twist logic and reality to justify your ill-conceived notions. Without religion, everyone makes their own destiny, purpose, and reason, they are determined beneficial or detrimental based on their actions only. Your religion is the one taking away their right to choose, by force feeding them a destiny, purpose, and reason. It's religion that destroys the will, it's religion that drains one of purpose, it drains one of self fulfillment, it destroys a person's self image by turning them into a shell, making them believe that they are incapable of accomplishing anything, making them fear everyone and anything that is different. It's nothing more than a justification for acts of destruction and violence, that is what religion is.
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Yet, no one has proven that consciousness exists beyond the brain, we can trace consciousness in the brain, so where's your evidence that it exists outside of the physical brain?
When the brain dies, the consciousness ends. NO spirit, no soul, no light, nothing.

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You call me a "dummy" then you pull the old "metaphor" canard, which is nothing more than the "context" canard really. Then you go and completely twist logic and reality to justify your ill-conceived notions. Without religion, everyone makes their own destiny, purpose, and reason, they are determined beneficial or detrimental based on their actions only.
An eye for an eye? I blast your god, you blast mine, or what you think is mine. In many ways, you are quite religious.

Reality creation involves a study of consciousness. Without that knowledge you will have no control over what you experience. Your environment is the physical picture of your thoughts, emotions and beliefs made visible. You are the living picture of yourself. You project what you think you are outward into flesh. Your feelings, you conscious and unconscious thoughts, all alter and form your physical image. This is fairly easy for you to understand. It is not so easy, however, to realize that your feelings and thoughts form your exterior experience in the same way, or that the events that appear to happen to you are initiated by you within your mental or psychic inner environment.

I am not a bible thumping fundie, nor am I a clueless atheist. You simply must stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with science is religious.

Modern science rightly rebelled against the excesses, exaggerations and superstitions of religion and against a rigid system of beliefs that encouraged man to interpret the natural world only in the light of his religious dogmas. Yet science went overboard to prove itself, adopting many of religion's authoritative characteristics and denying the existence of any phenomenon [consciousness] that is not observable according to its own set of limited measurements, or does not agree with its basic theories.

Science claims it seeks the truth, but the literal interpretation of physical reality is as limiting as the literal interpretation of the bible!

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An eye for an eye? I blast your god, you blast mine, or what you think is mine. In many ways, you are quite religious.
Reality creation involves a study of consciousness. Without that knowledge you will have no control over what you experience. Your environment is the physical picture of your thoughts, emotions and beliefs made visible. You are the living picture of yourself. You project what you think you are outward into flesh. Your feelings, you conscious and unconscious thoughts, all alter and form your physical image. This is fairly easy for you to understand. It is not so easy, however, to realize that your feelings and thoughts form your exterior experience in the same way, or that the events that appear to happen to you are initiated by you within your mental or psychic inner environment.
I am not a bible thumping fundie, nor am I a clueless atheist. You simply must stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with science is religious.
Modern science rightly rebelled against the excesses, exaggerations and superstitions of religion and against a rigid system of beliefs that encouraged man to interpret the natural world only in the light of his religious dogmas. Yet science went overboard to prove itself, adopting many of religion's authoritative characteristics and denying the existence of any phenomenon [consciousness] that is not observable according to its own set of limited measurements, or does not agree with its basic theories.
Science claims it seeks the truth, but the literal interpretation of physical reality is as limiting as the literal interpretation of the bible!
I don't have any gods, sorry, try again.

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<quoted text>You should really try to explain how a human eye or any eye evolved. It is so complex and irreducible complexity comes to mind here. What came first? The brain or the eye? Can't have one without the other for evolution to succeed. They have to continually 'evolve' together and the species needs to not become extinct for the concept of vision to prosper. Then you have the issue of different classes of creatures, whom are not even related, also "evolving" vision. The odds are astronomical, there fore we are all created by a creator. Evolution has the same chance of becoming, as a tornado tearing through a junkyard and when everything has settled, there is a Boeing 747 airliner, full of jet fuel, waiting for a pilot. A beautiful butterfly in all it's grandeur , requires a creator, as does an intricate pocket watch. Life cannot simply evolve because with time anything is possible, if that were the case, then the planets in our solar system that are not gaseous, would have had some sort of life thriving on each and everyone of them, but as far as we know, they don't.
You are just copying talking points from creation "science" web sites.
If something complex requires a creator, then who created the creator?

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I sense a special pleading argument along the lines of, God exists outside of time and space!
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You are just copying talking points from creation "science" web sites.
If something complex requires a creator, then who created the creator?

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