Atheists on the march in America

Aug 26, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: TurkishPress.com

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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No, it didn't. Funny how you failed to admit your error, eh?
Now, since a scientific theory must be falsifiable in order to be considered science (as your second link pointed out in the discussion about Popper), then tell us how science can claim "truth".
This should prove interesting.
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What error? The one where science DOESN'T rely on "empirical evidence"?
Your error when you provided a link that didn't even have the word "truth" in it, when you attempted (and failed) to refute the point that science doesn't claim "truth".
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You're still being boorish.
Is "boorish" your new childish insult-du-jour to mean "Drew refuted nano again"?
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You know why I posted the empirical evidence link.
Nope, since it still doesn't support any claim of yours that science claims "truth" in its facts or theories.

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If a theory is testable/falsifiable/provable with repeatedly verified results then it is true/truth.
No, it isn't.

As Stephen J. Gould said (using evolution and gravity as examples): "Evolutionists make no claim for perpetual truth, though creationists often do (and then attack us falsely for a style of argument that they themselves favor). In science 'fact' can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent.' I suppose that apples might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal time in physics classrooms."

If gravity is "truth", then why would Gould point out that it is a "possibility" that apples could rise?

Do you know what the word "provisional" means in Gould's phrase "provisional consent"? Guess why he uses it.

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If science doesn't claim truth then what does it claim.. according to you?
Not merely according to me, but according to others. As H.J. Muller wrote in 1959, "When we say a thing is a fact, then, we only mean that its probability is an extremely high one: so high that we are not bothered by doubt about it and are ready to act accordingly."

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The Earth was once incapable of supporting life.
Later, the Earth was capable of supporting life and in fact did support life.
Therefore, life on Earth came from non-life.
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<quoted text>As usual,
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/11/...
...I see "if, might, could, and presumably" describing someone's currently, untested mathematical model describing how they think life "may" have come from nonliving matter. It lacks snap, crackle and pop. Oh yeah, and fizz.
xD
I notice that you've provided no alternative scientific theory as to where life came from, if not from non-life. Why is that?

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What is the evidence that non-living matter is conscious?
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Science can't disprove that consciousness creates form. That's the evidence.
That consciousness can create form does not allow us to conclude that whatever creates form is conscious.

Your argument is like saying that because poison kills things that if something is killed it must have been done by poison.
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Drew Smith wrote:
What is the evidence that non-living matter is conscious?
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That consciousness can create form does not allow us to conclude that whatever creates form is conscious.
Of course it does.

Definition Consciousness (Webster)-
a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b : the state or fact of being CONSCIOUS of an external object, state, or fact
c : Awareness

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That consciousness can create form does not allow us to conclude that whatever creates form is conscious.
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Of course it does.
Definition Consciousness (Webster)-
a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b : the state or fact of being CONSCIOUS of an external object, state, or fact
c : Awareness
How does anything in that definition tell us that whatever creates form is conscious?

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That's what YOU imagine - not what science knows.
To the atheist, this life is all there is. That's why they are afraid of dying because it means total annihilation. For the religious, living has a purpose and dying is not an end. For the atheist, it's fade to black. Everything they accomplish in life of personal value is of no consequence. At death there will be nothing - as if their living never happened. For all life is worth to the atheist, he may as well live it as a toadstool.
More lies from the Creationists about atheists while still being unable to prove the god they lie about every single day.

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Of course it does.
Definition Consciousness (Webster)-
a : the quality or state of being aware especially of something within oneself
b : the state or fact of being CONSCIOUS of an external object, state, or fact
c : Awareness
There's no such thing as god and you've got no evidence to back up your lies.
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Drew Smith wrote:
That consciousness can create form does not allow us to conclude that whatever creates form is conscious.
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How does anything in that definition tell us that whatever creates form is conscious?
The word "aware" should be your first clue.
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There's no such thing as god and you've got no evidence to back up your lies.
That's neither here nor there when science offers no evidence to prove that life sprang from dead matter and transformed itself into a myriad of different species.

Science represents but one single lens through which you focus. You interpret events you perceive through this lens alone. So entranced is your concentration, that when you wonder about reality in general, you automatically confine your questions to science's definitions and descriptions of physical reality. True reality is far more diverse, far richer and unimaginable than you or science can presently comprehend.

There is not just one country on our planet, or one planet in our solar system. Likewise there is an infinite variety of probable universes, far more vast that those aspects of the physical universe with which scientists are familiar. Often scientific answers have no meaning outside of our physical system.

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That's neither here nor there when science offers no evidence to prove that life sprang from dead matter and transformed itself into a myriad of different species.
Science represents but one single lens through which you focus. You interpret events you perceive through this lens alone. So entranced is your concentration, that when you wonder about reality in general, you automatically confine your questions to science's definitions and descriptions of physical reality. True reality is far more diverse, far richer and unimaginable than you or science can presently comprehend.
There is not just one country on our planet, or one planet in our solar system. Likewise there is an infinite variety of probable universes, far more vast that those aspects of the physical universe with which scientists are familiar. Often scientific answers have no meaning outside of our physical system.
You are purposefully remaining ignorant. There was a time there was no life, no there is life, life had to come into existence somehow. You are made up of dead matter, is carbon alive? Is oxygen alive? Is hydrogen alive? You are made of these things in abundance, are all those atoms alive before they get consumed? What about when they are expelled? What is the actual difference between "living" atoms and "nonliving" atoms?

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That's what YOU imagine - not what science knows.
To the atheist, this life is all there is. That's why they are afraid of dying because it means total annihilation. For the religious, living has a purpose and dying is not an end. For the atheist, it's fade to black. Everything they accomplish in life of personal value is of no consequence. At death there will be nothing - as if their living never happened. For all life is worth to the atheist, he may as well live it as a toadstool.
Don't think Christians are afraid of dying? LOL. They believe in god and heaven BECAUSE they are afraid of dying.
Also, Buddhists are atheists, they believe in a life after this one.

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That's neither here nor there when science offers no evidence to prove that life sprang from dead matter and transformed itself into a myriad of different species.
Life wasn't always here, now it's here. So, it had to come from non living matter. And there is plenty of evidence to support evolution.
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Science represents but one single lens through which you focus. You interpret events you perceive through this lens alone. So entranced is your concentration, that when you wonder about reality in general, you automatically confine your questions to science's definitions and descriptions of physical reality. True reality is far more diverse, far richer and unimaginable than you or science can presently comprehend.
There is not just one country on our planet, or one planet in our solar system. Likewise there is an infinite variety of probable universes, far more vast that those aspects of the physical universe with which scientists are familiar. Often scientific answers have no meaning outside of our physical system.
And you know this...how?
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<quoted text> For some reason this pop up. So let me ask you a question what facts do you have that your god is the true one when over three thousands are out there to choose from? How do you know you made the correct choice? Why do you reject all the other gods? Do you have any proof their god is not just as possible as yours? Or are you so igotistical to insist all the millions of people who have believed in their gods are wrong and your god is the right one? Go ahead.
Proove it.
Alone one time in Army bootcamp, I asked for God's assurance, I felt a presence that can only be explained as divine, full of love. From then on, I was "hooked" on God. Can't or do not need to explain anything, if it is good for me, then that is enough. Another time about three years ago, my wife, was robbed at her place of employment, these two black men, jumped the counter and forcibly held her down, while they looted the cash drawer. She said she felt calmness and peace, despite such a terrifying experience, she is a changed woman and loves and serves her God faithfully everyday of the week. By the way, she fought back and won against these two hoodrats! How do you explain that? She was able to outwit and out muscle two men, enough proof to me that God takes care of his own.

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Independent wrote:
<quoted text>Alone one time in Army bootcamp, I asked for God's assurance, I felt a presence that can only be explained as divine, full of love. From then on, I was "hooked" on God. Can't or do not need to explain anything, if it is good for me, then that is enough. Another time about three years ago, my wife, was robbed at her place of employment, these two black men, jumped the counter and forcibly held her down, while they looted the cash drawer. She said she felt calmness and peace, despite such a terrifying experience, she is a changed woman and loves and serves her God faithfully everyday of the week. By the way, she fought back and won against these two hoodrats! How do you explain that? She was able to outwit and out muscle two men, enough proof to me that God takes care of his own.
Tell that to all the god-fearing parents who lose their children to terminal illnesses every day. Tell it to the people all over the world starving and praying for food. Yeah, you're more special than all of them.

(PS: your wife's feeling and 'amazing' ability is called adrenaline.)
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You are purposefully remaining ignorant. There was a time there was no life, no there is life, life had to come into existence somehow. You are made up of dead matter, is carbon alive? Is oxygen alive? Is hydrogen alive? You are made of these things in abundance, are all those atoms alive before they get consumed? What about when they are expelled? What is the actual difference between "living" atoms and "nonliving" atoms?
The way they organize themselves obviously. How many times are you going to repeat the same silly mantra (life came from dead matter) under different identities? You don't prove anything. You simply sound like a broken record.
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Life wasn't always here, now it's here. So, it had to come from non living matter. And there is plenty of evidence to support evolution.
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And you know this...how?
Consciousness creates form anytime - anywhere. There is no fossil record to support the theory of evolution. If you are willing to believe the fable anyway - you should have no problem accepting the notion that Moses parted the Red Sea.
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Don't think Christians are afraid of dying? LOL. They believe in god and heaven BECAUSE they are afraid of dying.
Also, Buddhists are atheists, they believe in a life after this one.
Christians have the promise of a heavenworld to work towards in life. Atheists have nothing.
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And you know this...how?
"Many-worlds implies that all possible alternative histories and futures are real, each representing an actual "world" (or "universe"). It is also referred to as MWI, the relative state formulation, the Everett interpretation, the theory of the universal wavefunction, many-universes interpretation, or just many-worlds."

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