Atheists on the march in America

There are 70657 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#65697 Dec 9, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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And you? What's your moral guide, science?
Compassion. There are two aspects of morality, as I see it: thinking and caring. As the quote goes, knowledge without compassion is inhuman and compassion without knowledge is ineffective. So science does inform my morality, but there is no science of morality. Morality comes from the simple fact that we are all social animals and that compassion is an inherent part of our psychologies.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65698 Dec 9, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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Compassion. There are two aspects of morality, as I see it: thinking and caring. As the quote goes, knowledge without compassion is inhuman and compassion without knowledge is ineffective. So science does inform my morality, but there is no science of morality. Morality comes from the simple fact that we are all social animals and that compassion is an inherent part of our psychologies.
Under science's morality, anything goes if it furthers man's programmed agenda to control and dominate through its survival of the fittest theory. And where has this idea led us? Humans have run rampant across the face of this planet with little respect for it or other kinds of life precisely because they believe they have a scientific mandate to use the earth as they see fit. Is this the science that informs your morality?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#65699 Dec 9, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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Under science's morality, anything goes if it furthers man's programmed agenda to control and dominate through its survival of the fittest theory. And where has this idea led us? Humans have run rampant across the face of this planet with little respect for it or other kinds of life precisely because they believe they have a scientific mandate to use the earth as they see fit. Is this the science that informs your morality?
And that is why *compassion* is also required: not just knowledge. As I said.

I would also point out that it is the Biblical injunction to use the earth as we see fit that has motivated most of the wrongs you pointed out. Science only gives us knowledge. It does not say how we should *use* that knowledge.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#65700 Dec 9, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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And that is why *compassion* is also required: not just knowledge. As I said.
I would also point out that it is the Biblical injunction to use the earth as we see fit that has motivated most of the wrongs you pointed out. Science only gives us knowledge. It does not say how we should *use* that knowledge.
Exactly. Our out-of-control population expansion and our subjugation of the rest of the animal kingdom is based squarely on the religiously propagated myth that the world was created for man and it's man's duty to conquer and rule it.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65701 Dec 9, 2012
polymath257 wrote:
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And that is why *compassion* is also required: not just knowledge. As I said.
I would also point out that it is the Biblical injunction to use the earth as we see fit that has motivated most of the wrongs you pointed out. Science only gives us knowledge. It does not say how we should *use* that knowledge.
If science is not responsible for compassion, where does it come from?
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65702 Dec 9, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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Exactly. Our out-of-control population expansion and our subjugation of the rest of the animal kingdom is based squarely on the religiously propagated myth that the world was created for man and it's man's duty to conquer and rule it.
You are confusing good stewardship with domination. "Be fruitful and mulitiply, and replenish the earth."

It is precisely the scientific idea that we are no more than resilient machines that fosters a lack of caring and compassion. Instead this egregious notion has proven to generate destructive behavior to self and others. One cannot say that science has not advanced civilization however, for we now know how to kill each other more efficiently.
Thinking

UK

#65703 Dec 9, 2012
Do you kill witches? If not, you ignore your bible.
postscriptt wrote:
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And you? What's your moral guide, science?
Thinking

UK

#65704 Dec 9, 2012
Evolution.
postscriptt wrote:
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If science is not responsible for compassion, where does it come from?
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#65705 Dec 9, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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You are confusing good stewardship with domination. "Be fruitful and mulitiply, and replenish the earth."
It is precisely the scientific idea that we are no more than resilient machines that fosters a lack of caring and compassion. Instead this egregious notion has proven to generate destructive behavior to self and others. One cannot say that science has not advanced civilization however, for we now know how to kill each other more efficiently.
There is some truth to your assertion that the scientific community has reduced the value of life to a set of natural laws (so to speak). However, I would say religion's mythical notion that man is essentially the climax of creation has played an equally important role in the great fallacy that is civilized thought. Through science/technology (agriculture specifically), man has leaned how to defeat the earth's ecological negative feedback system; allowing our population to grow unchecked. Religion has offered the justification. The difference is that while religion has taken misguided notions and ran with them; science has continued to study and advance our knowledge, and we have had the option of adjusting our behavior based on these new discoveries.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65706 Dec 9, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Evolution.
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Science hasn't been any more successful proving that genes alone guide human conduct than it has its bogus theory of evolution.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65707 Dec 9, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Do you kill witches? If not, you ignore your bible.
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It appears you are stuck in the 15th century.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65708 Dec 9, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
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There is some truth to your assertion that the scientific community has reduced the value of life to a set of natural laws (so to speak). However, I would say religion's mythical notion that man is essentially the climax of creation has played an equally important role in the great fallacy that is civilized thought. Through science/technology (agriculture specifically), man has leaned how to defeat the earth's ecological negative feedback system; allowing our population to grow unchecked. Religion has offered the justification. The difference is that while religion has taken misguided notions and ran with them; science has continued to study and advance our knowledge, and we have had the option of adjusting our behavior based on these new discoveries.
None of which explains the "source" of what we recognize as compassion and caring in our species as well as others.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#65709 Dec 9, 2012
I think man probably WILL end up being the climax of creation here on earth... we're gonna make SURE of that.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#65710 Dec 9, 2012
Those that seek a win/win are more likely to be successful and selected on. Hence compassion.
postscriptt wrote:
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Science hasn't been any more successful proving that genes alone guide human conduct than it has its bogus theory of evolution.
Thinking

Andover, UK

#65711 Dec 9, 2012
No, but you ignore the bible with regards to witches.
What else do you ignore in the bible?
postscriptt wrote:
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It appears you are stuck in the 15th century.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#65712 Dec 9, 2012
postscriptt wrote:
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None of which explains the "source" of what we recognize as compassion and caring in our species as well as others.
"Compassion" is part of our genetic hard-wiring as social animals. We are definitely NOT the only creatures on the earth with a sense of compassion. Any animals that run in groups have a compassion element. It is absolutely necessary for the survival of the group.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65713 Dec 9, 2012
Some Random Dude wrote:
There is some truth to your assertion that the scientific community has reduced the value of life to a set of natural laws (so to speak).
Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65714 Dec 9, 2012
Thinking wrote:
Those that seek a win/win are more likely to be successful and selected on. Hence compassion.
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Based on what evidence, 15th century delusions?
postscriptt

Santa Fe, NM

#65715 Dec 9, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
Such thinking allows science to have no morality, to ignore its responsibility to hold itself accountable for what it does.

A moral science that works to raise our humanity is imperative, particularly in the face of an endangered planet and nightmarish weapons spreading everywhere.
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#65716 Dec 9, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science makes no claim as to the "value" of life. It may inform us as to why humans tend to value one thing over another. But it does not tell us *what* we should value.
Thus why I said "so to speak"

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