Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Since: Jun 07

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#65540 Dec 5, 2012
postscript wrote:
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Nothing is random, least of all consciousness which is far more mobile than you will ever comprehend. You are wrong. You are both here and there. We are all multidimensional. There are channels of interrelatedness, connecting all physical matter - channels through which consciousness flows.
The physical sciences pretend that the centuries exist one after another, while physicists realize that all events are simultaneous. Archeologists merrily contine to date the remains of "past" civilizations, never asking themselves if the past they record is the one relative to their point of perception.
There is more in heaven and earth, Gomer, than is dreamt of in your feeble philosophy.
You're a liar with no proof of god. It doesn't matter how much language you dress it up with.
postscript

Santa Fe, NM

#65542 Dec 5, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You're a liar with no proof of god. It doesn't matter how much language you dress it up with.
Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.

Since: Jun 07

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#65543 Dec 5, 2012
postscript wrote:
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Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.
You're a liar with no proof of god at the end of the day.

You have to lie about atheists to further your fraudulent religious agenda. And at the same time you shamelessly try to sell us your cult's morals.

Try proving your fake god first, you liar, then you get to criticise atheists - people you know nothing about.

Since: Jun 07

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#65544 Dec 5, 2012
Independent wrote:
<quoted text>You should really try to explain how a human eye or any eye evolved. It is so complex and irreducible complexity comes to mind here. What came first? The brain or the eye? Can't have one without the other for evolution to succeed. They have to continually 'evolve' together and the species needs to not become extinct for the concept of vision to prosper. Then you have the issue of different classes of creatures, whom are not even related, also "evolving" vision. The odds are astronomical, there fore we are all created by a creator. Evolution has the same chance of becoming, as a tornado tearing through a junkyard and when everything has settled, there is a Boeing 747 airliner, full of jet fuel, waiting for a pilot. A beautiful butterfly in all it's grandeur , requires a creator, as does an intricate pocket watch. Life cannot simply evolve because with time anything is possible, if that were the case, then the planets in our solar system that are not gaseous, would have had some sort of life thriving on each and everyone of them, but as far as we know, they don't.
It's not atheist's fault that you don't know how the eye evolved. It's also not atheist's fault that you don't know why "irreducible complexity" is a non-argument which has been disproven time and time again.

Perhaps if you were intelligent enough to understand biology, you wouldn't be so ignorant of it. But then again, if you truly understood biology or science, you would be atheist after all...

Since: Jun 07

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#65545 Dec 5, 2012
I find it simultaneously sad and funny that people who've never picked up a test tube in their lives seem to be so adamant that evolution isn't real.

All creationist arguments are arguments from ignorance.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#65546 Dec 5, 2012
You want us to say, Jesus made eveything with his magic fish! OK feel better half wit? Tell us again how you think Chris Angel really has Magic powers and he really does all those tricks with no editing :))

Care for an Obama bumper sticker? I would send you a T-shirt but no way could your fatass squeeze into one. Seriously let me know and I will send you one to put on your car if you can afford one, if not you can put it on your singlewide's window :)

You're welcome lardass :)
Buck Crick wrote:
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OK, I accept that you make things up.

Since: Mar 10

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#65547 Dec 5, 2012
postscript wrote:
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Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.
I would have to agree. Atheists like to think that science has all but obliterated religion with its so-called objective facts. What the atheist doesn't understand is that science has simply changed the wording, but not the story.

The most pessimistic elements of Christianity have been given a new scientific face. Freud's theories have come to represent the darker aspects of human psychology, the soul cut free from the conventional belief in an omnipotent god...stripped of its power and delegated to a series of mechanical reactions called instinctive drives. Psychologists have replaced a theological hell with a psychological hell, and turned the concept of "original sin" into primitive implulses stamped upon the genes in infancy. Psychoanalysis has replaced the Catholic confessional. The psychologist is the new priest who stands between the conscious and subconscious elements of man. The drive for salvation (divine perfection), has been replaced with salvation through psychotropic drugs.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65548 Dec 5, 2012
BBSting wrote:
Photo on the left is a 125 million year old fossil of a mayfly.
Photo on the right is the mayfly as it exists today. They are identical. No change, and this is just one of many examples. Here's the proof right before your eyes that the theory of evolution is a myth!
http://www.harunyahya.com/image/Atlas_of_crea...
Funny that you pick the mayfly, considering it's helping us to discover a natural cause for abiogenesis as well.

http://news.bio-medicine.org/biology-news-2/F...

Yeah, you need to catch up on science before attempting to address scientific matters. Not to mention physiological changes have been addressed by multiple posters, multiple scientists, and even a lot of other people so many times. Get an up to date "argument," you old crone.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65549 Dec 5, 2012
Wrathbone wrote:
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I would have to agree. Atheists like to think that science has all but obliterated religion with its so-called objective facts. What the atheist doesn't understand is that science has simply changed the wording, but not the story.
The most pessimistic elements of Christianity have been given a new scientific face. Freud's theories have come to represent the darker aspects of human psychology, the soul cut free from the conventional belief in an omnipotent god...stripped of its power and delegated to a series of mechanical reactions called instinctive drives. Psychologists have replaced a theological hell with a psychological hell, and turned the concept of "original sin" into primitive implulses stamped upon the genes in infancy. Psychoanalysis has replaced the Catholic confessional. The psychologist is the new priest who stands between the conscious and subconscious elements of man. The drive for salvation (divine perfection), has been replaced with salvation through psychotropic drugs.
How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.

Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65550 Dec 5, 2012
postscript wrote:
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Remove consciousness from the origin equation and you atheists will always be left trying to prove that life came from dead matter. You are as intellectually bankrupt as you claim the religious are.
Oh, you are so clueless, so then we weren't made from dirt according to your book of myths? That's what it says, that we were made from dead matter. Yet, you cannot demonstrate a difference between the matter that makes up a human, that that which makes up a rock.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65551 Dec 5, 2012
Independent wrote:
<quoted text>You should really try to explain how a human eye or any eye evolved. It is so complex and irreducible complexity comes to mind here. What came first? The brain or the eye? Can't have one without the other for evolution to succeed. They have to continually 'evolve' together and the species needs to not become extinct for the concept of vision to prosper. Then you have the issue of different classes of creatures, whom are not even related, also "evolving" vision. The odds are astronomical, there fore we are all created by a creator. Evolution has the same chance of becoming, as a tornado tearing through a junkyard and when everything has settled, there is a Boeing 747 airliner, full of jet fuel, waiting for a pilot. A beautiful butterfly in all it's grandeur , requires a creator, as does an intricate pocket watch. Life cannot simply evolve because with time anything is possible, if that were the case, then the planets in our solar system that are not gaseous, would have had some sort of life thriving on each and everyone of them, but as far as we know, they don't.
Here's a very simple explanation, with citations and that thing you hate called evidence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_the...

The image showing it:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons...

Stop being willfully naive for a change.

Since: Mar 10

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#65552 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Oh, you are so clueless, so then we weren't made from dirt according to your book of myths? That's what it says, that we were made from dead matter. Yet, you cannot demonstrate a difference between the matter that makes up a human, that that which makes up a rock.


I've had no problem following postscript's comments on the nature of consciousness. What's your major malfunction?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#65553 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.
Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.
It's where the next gap in our knowledge is. That's where it always has been and where it always will be.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65554 Dec 5, 2012
digitaldan wrote:
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I've had no problem following postscript's comments on the nature of consciousness. What's your major malfunction?
Yet, no one has proven that consciousness exists beyond the brain, we can trace consciousness in the brain, so where's your evidence that it exists outside of the physical brain?
John

Hartland, WI

#65555 Dec 5, 2012
Another day of ineptitude from the antitheists.*Note to lurkers* They have gone almost three years without giving one accountable position they are willing to debate. Three years without an example of evidence that meets their criteria for evidence. These are angry agenda driven folks that don't give a damn about the evidence.
If you want to subject yourself to this farce by all means see for yourself. Antitheists you could also just cut and paste one of the 62,880 posts to show otherwise.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. True science that is repeatable and observable.

Since: Mar 10

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#65556 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yet, no one has proven that consciousness exists beyond the brain, we can trace consciousness in the brain, so where's your evidence that it exists outside of the physical brain?
If you don't get it by now, you never will.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#65557 Dec 5, 2012
digitaldan wrote:
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If you don't get it by now, you never will.
Really bad cop-out fallacy.

If you don't have actual evidence, then you cannot make the assertion. You have no evidence, therefore all it is you have is wishful thinking.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#65558 Dec 5, 2012
Go read your book of talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns, giants and slavery. It has all the answers you need.
digitaldan wrote:
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If you don't get it by now, you never will.

Since: Mar 10

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#65559 Dec 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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How do you change the wording that 3 is pi, or bats are birds? Also, psychology does not deal in "sin" at all. It deals with understanding how we think. Psychiatry, a spin-off of religion, is the only arena that deals in something resembling "sin" at all, and that's not based on science, it's just enforcing personal stereotypes, exactly the same way religion does.
Scientific minds have demonstrated your bible to be wrong, so wrong it's a mockery to human literature considering people in eras prior to the writing of the bible got so much more accurate information recorded in tombs, the same people your bible attempts to paint as "monsters." Your ideology is out dated, useless, and nothing more than a weapon against anything that you disagree with. Science is a collection of methods and tools to reliably understand how the universe works, possibly even beyond but we have no way of even going beyond. Your bible assumes to speak for something which has demonstrably been proven to not exist, where in the sky is this "kingdom?" We've been in the sky, and beyond, and found nothing.
The phrase, changed the wording, was used in a metaphoric sense, dummy.

At least within the dogma of religion the poor, the prostitute, the workingman, the scholar can become the saint. But within the confines of science, mankind is stripped of altruism and self - determination, his drives forever predetermined by genetic coding and neurotic conditioning.

The survival of the fittest theory is science's grandest example of amoral posturing. Compassion and sympathy not only went out of style, their expression was considered evidence of duplicity.

Encouraged by Freudian delusions and still operating under evolution's false premise [survival of the fittest] western civilization is faced with a thematic situation in which no individual is trustworthy but is automatically biologically geared to undertake any course to ensure survival. Survival of the fittest has mutated into might makes right. The arms race and destructive nuclear devices became necessary because we now believe we belong to a species that kills to survive. A species that lacks the grace of the natural world, while retaining an overly exaggerated beastliness, projected by science as man's natural state of existence. As a result of this lack of morality, the human animal is spreading his killer genes through the use of technology. Sadly, the natural world and its ecosystems have become fair game. This is science's amoral legacy. This is your god.

Since: Mar 10

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#65560 Dec 5, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Go read your book of talking snakes, talking donkeys, unicorns, giants and slavery. It has all the answers you need.
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For an atheist, you seem to be obsessed with the bible. You bring it up more often than your proponents. Perhaps your time would be better spent figuring out the reason why.

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