Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70650 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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Santa Fe, NM

#65318 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science does not claim "truth". Religion does.
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What do you mean by "threatened"?
You wouldn't respond negatively when challenged if you thought science's "theories" could stand on their own merit. That's what I mean by threatened.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65319 Nov 29, 2012
The Earth was once incapable of supporting life.
Later, the Earth was capable of supporting life and in fact did support life.
Therefore, life on Earth came from non-life.
postscript wrote:
And it was all the result of MAGIC!
No, it was the result of natural chemical processes. No "magic" required.
postscript wrote:
Science falls embarrassingly short of proving its theories...
Science is not about "proof". "Proof" is the province of mathematics and logic.

Science is about providing *evidence* that supports its theories.

As for where current scientific research stands regarding the origin of life, this is a good summary:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/07/what-...
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It stands to reason that if life springs from non-life, science should be able to replicate this notion with Frankenstonian experiments.
Why? You're describing an event that may have taken nearly a *billion* years to happen in the natural, sterile environment. Science has not been doing research in this area for very long, by comparison.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65320 Nov 29, 2012
What do you mean by "threatened"?
postscript wrote:
You wouldn't respond negatively when challenged if you thought science's "theories" could stand on their own merit. That's what I mean by threatened.
Science's theories *do* stand on their own merit, as they are supported by evidence.

So what do you mean by "responding negatively"? Refuting your baseless claims?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#65321 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
And from non-life. Otherwise, the first living thing wouldn't have existed.
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The Earth was once incapable of supporting life.
Later, the Earth was capable of supporting life and in fact did support life.
Therefore, life on Earth came from non-life.
Aargh, blargh....blah, blah, blah...

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc...

You know better than to use that argument. That's not proof.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#65322 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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That's like claiming that a photographic image in a newspaper exists "inside" each dot making up the newsprint.
Thoughts exist as *patterns* of neuronic activity. So they are not "smaller" than atoms (quite the contrary, since neuronic patterns involve countless atoms).
It is not and you know it. Thoughts travel through the brain, affecting it, but the thoughts themselves are not neurons, nor even atoms.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#65323 Nov 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Um, wow, you don't understand what fertility is, do you?
Most hermaphrodites are infertile, but not all. Some are fertile enough to pass on their condition to the next generation who likely *would* be born infertile.
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Santa Fe, NM

#65324 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science is not about "proof". "Proof" is the province of mathematics and logic.
Both fail to support the silly notion that life springs from dead matter. I invite you to present information proving me wrong.
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science is about providing *evidence* that supports its theories.
And yet, science has not produced a single shred of evidence to support the fairy tale that life comes from non-life, as you call it.
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Santa Fe, NM

#65325 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
What do you mean by "threatened"?
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Science's theories *do* stand on their own merit, as they are supported by evidence.
So what do you mean by "responding negatively"? Refuting your baseless claims?
Refute or deny?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65326 Nov 29, 2012
The Earth was once incapable of supporting life.
Later, the Earth was capable of supporting life and in fact did support life.
Therefore, life on Earth came from non-life.
nanoanomaly wrote:
Aargh, blargh....blah, blah, blah...
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc
If life did not come from non-life, then where did it come from? Magic?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65327 Nov 29, 2012
That's like claiming that a photographic image in a newspaper exists "inside" each dot making up the newsprint.
Thoughts exist as *patterns* of neuronic activity. So they are not "smaller" than atoms (quite the contrary, since neuronic patterns involve countless atoms).
nanoanomaly wrote:
It is not and you know it.
What is "it"?
nanoanomaly wrote:
Thoughts travel through the brain
No,*signals* travel through the brain. Thoughts include patterns of signals. But the thoughts themselves don't "travel".

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65328 Nov 29, 2012
postscript wrote:
Both fail to support the silly notion that life springs from dead matter.
Of course life springs from dead matter. The individual molecules in your body are not alive. They are "dead matter". But you are alive. Therefore, your life springs from dead matter.
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And yet, science has not produced a single shred of evidence to support the fairy tale that life comes from non-life
On the contrary, it has:

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/07/what-...

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65329 Nov 29, 2012
Science's theories *do* stand on their own merit, as they are supported by evidence.
So what do you mean by "responding negatively"? Refuting your baseless claims?
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Refute or deny?
Both, since a refutation is a type of denial.

Now, I ask you again, since you avoided my question the first time: What do you mean by "responding negatively"? Refuting your baseless claims?

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#65330 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science does not claim "truth".....
No?

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empirical" ;

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65331 Nov 29, 2012
Science does not claim "truth"
nanoanomaly wrote:
The word "science" didn't appear in that article.

Apparently you missed that.
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Santa Fe, NM

#65332 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
The Earth was once incapable of supporting life.
Later, the Earth was capable of supporting life and in fact did support life.
Therefore, life on Earth came from non-life.
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If life did not come from non-life, then where did it come from? Magic?
Consciousness. Everything that is was first thought.

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

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#65333 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
Science does not claim "truth"
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The word "science" didn't appear in that article.
Apparently you missed that.
No?

" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_metho... ;

Don't be such a boor, Drew.

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65334 Nov 29, 2012
If life did not come from non-life, then where did it come from? Magic?
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Consciousness. Everything that is was first thought.
What is the evidence that non-living matter is conscious?

Since: Feb 08

Tampa, FL

#65335 Nov 29, 2012
The word "science" didn't appear in that article. Apparently you missed that.
nanoanomaly wrote:
No?
No, it didn't. Funny how you failed to admit your error, eh?

Now, since a scientific theory must be falsifiable in order to be considered science (as your second link pointed out in the discussion about Popper), then tell us how science can claim "truth".

This should prove interesting.

Since: May 10

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#65336 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Science does not claim "truth". Religion does.
...How brilliant.

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Since: May 10

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#65337 Nov 29, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
The word "science" didn't appear in that article. Apparently you missed that.
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No, it didn't. Funny how you failed to admit your error, eh?
Now, since a scientific theory must be falsifiable in order to be considered science (as your second link pointed out in the discussion about Popper), then tell us how science can claim "truth".
This should prove interesting.
You are confused.

The requirement for a theory to be "falsifiable" does not require that it can be "falsified". Falsifiability is simply being susceptible to being proven false if it is, in fact, false. To say that a theory is falsifiable is NOT in conflict with using it as a claim to truth.

Hope this helps you.

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