Atheists on the march in America

[Rose_NoHo]

NightSerf wrote:

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I posted a coherent set of beliefs at the beginning of this thread. You refused to consider it because it didn't address the origins of the universe or of life on earth. But not all beliefs concern either of those--they don't even form the foundation of most religious beliefs.
Physics and biology are fascinating, but they don't lie at the center of my beliefs. I suspect that few outside those fields spend as much time pondering them as they do more immediate concerns such as the well-being of their loved ones, their communities, humanity as a whole and the planet on which we live.
I believe that most people do the best that they can within their limitations, which are often considerable. I believe that the most noble of human attributes are kindness, empathy, generosity, and willingness to set aside personal considerations for the grater good. I believe that the greatest obstacles to achieving a state of benevolence are anger, fear, ignorance, and delusion, i.e., the tendency to cling to obvious fallacies even in the face of overwhelming evidence out of sheer stubbornness. Some call this cognitive dissonance. I believe that people can help each other to overcome these obstacles.
I believe that art is just as important as science and that any society that focuses so much on either as to exclude the other is headed for trouble. I believe in the wisdom of replacing beliefs with knowledge wherever possible.
These are beliefs I am prepared to defend.

John will not debate.

[Givemeliberty]

Which is why everyone should ignore him and stop feeding this troll already.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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John will not debate.

[Rose_NoHo]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Which is why everyone should ignore him and stop feeding this troll already.
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I'm going to. I'm done with him unless he actually debates.

[Givemeliberty]

As I have even trying to do let's change the subject and get this thread back on track. No matter what anyone says or reasoning you use it's just not going to get through his stump temper tantrum.

Ignore the screaming child because the atheist non believer movement is spiking in the US an that's what we should focus on and not let a desperate Christian try to derail a great thread.

The religious crowd knows they are in huge trouble.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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I'm going to. I'm done with him unless he actually debates.

[Rose_NoHo]

Givemeliberty wrote:

As I have even trying to do let's change the subject and get this thread back on track. No matter what anyone says or reasoning you use it's just not going to get through his stump temper tantrum.
Ignore the screaming child because the atheist non believer movement is spiking in the US an that's what we should focus on and not let a desperate Christian try to derail a great thread.
The religious crowd knows they are in huge trouble.
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Why do you think there is such resistance to reason?

[Rose_NoHo]

To sort of answer my own question.:)
I think many people play their own version of "Pascal's Wager" in their minds.

[Givemeliberty]

Indoctrination sad to say is a powerful enslaving device. Those indoctrinated sheeple are seeing their numbers dwindle, their churches becoming less an less filled and then closing it's doors. This enrages them and they are fighting the only way they know how and that's to attack non believers with nonsense. Yet it's like fighting the tide.

With each passing year reason slowly becomes more of a factor while their superstitious ways dwindle. The more they lose control the more desperate and unhinged thy will become my friend. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Why do you think there is such resistance to reason?

[Rose_NoHo]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Indoctrination sad to say is a powerful enslaving device. Those indoctrinated sheeple are seeing their numbers dwindle, their churches becoming less an less filled and then closing it's doors. This enrages them and they are fighting the only way they know how and that's to attack non believers with nonsense. Yet it's like fighting the tide.
With each passing year reason slowly becomes more of a factor while their superstitious ways dwindle. The more they lose control the more desperate and unhinged thy will become my friend. Just sit back and enjoy the show.
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That will be great!

[NightSerf]

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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John will not debate.

True. My purpose was to demonstrate that his claims were nothing more than a hollow charade. His followup showed exactly that.

QED

[John]

So you loons are doubling down on your nothing. No evidence, no logic, no reason, no debate of course. Atheism exposed 101.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe.

[Givemeliberty]

It's happening as we speak. Tell me if not why would so many believers spend so much time on an atheist forum? Why would they write all these books and make websites by the hundred? Why spend so much time and effort of we are such a small insignificant number? If this were really true we would not warrant such a massive effort from believers. They would completely ignore us and move on.

So when I see the angry believers coming on here I smile because they prove me right.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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That will be great!

[John]

Nothing will never be right. Thanks for your irrelevant contributions.

[sweets2360]

Givemeliberty wrote:

God hates Shrimp!
Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.
Eat shrimp burn in hell!

All that lovely seafood, shrimp, crabs, lobsters, oysters and scallops. I guess we will all go to hell happy, with cocktail sauce and rarafied butter on our breath.

[Rose_NoHo]

Givemeliberty wrote:

It's happening as we speak. Tell me if not why would so many believers spend so much time on an atheist forum? Why would they write all these books and make websites by the hundred? Why spend so much time and effort of we are such a small insignificant number? If this were really true we would not warrant such a massive effort from believers. They would completely ignore us and move on.
So when I see the angry believers coming on here I smile because they prove me right.
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Do you see any harm in what I'll call "benign" religious beliefs and actions?(As opposed to people imposing their beliefs on others.) Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" includes people going to Lourdes looking for a cure. I might be assuming too much, but I assume the people who go there are people doctors have given up on. Do you see any harm in that kind of thing?

[Givemeliberty]

God needs to rethink sending all the smart people to hell. Lol

sweets2360 wrote:

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All that lovely seafood, shrimp, crabs, lobsters, oysters and scallops. I guess we will all go to hell happy, with cocktail sauce and rarafied butter on our breath.

[John]

Smart? LOL. Let me guess you two pseudointellectuals lump yourself in that category. Hell you can't even meet your own rules for evidence.

God doesn't exist according to you folks, but he sure occupies your time. Do you think atheists that keep their nothing to themselves and don't force it on others are dangerous?

Save the charade kids you have nothing to contribute or talk about without a God you don't believe in.

Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. Crickets,,,

[-Skeptic-]

John wrote:

Smart? LOL. Let me guess you two pseudointellectuals lump yourself in that category. Hell you can't even meet your own rules for evidence.
God doesn't exist according to you folks, but he sure occupies your time. Do you think atheists that keep their nothing to themselves and don't force it on others are dangerous?
Save the charade kids you have nothing to contribute or talk about without a God you don't believe in.
Stump an antitheist! Ask them what they believe. Crickets,,,

Go on make us another post with no proof of god in it, there's a good troll.

[Givemeliberty]

Just that many people forsake traditional medicine in hopes of a miracle and It doesn't happen. There are some very sad stories of people who have done this and could have easily been cured by an md but wasted time there. James Randi I believe has a great article and study on that. Let me look it up for you.

Rose_NoHo wrote:

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Do you see any harm in what I'll call "benign" religious beliefs and actions?(As opposed to people imposing their beliefs on others.) Richard Dawkins' "The God Delusion" includes people going to Lourdes looking for a cure. I might be assuming too much, but I assume the people who go there are people doctors have given up on. Do you see any harm in that kind of thing?

[Drew Smith]

John wrote:

God doesn't exist according to you folks, but he sure occupies your time.

Nope, no "god" occupies my time. What *does* occupy my time is pointing out the irrational belief in a "god" by those who lack any evidence or logic to support their belief.

Apparently, John can't distinguish between an entity (real or fictive) and the belief in the existence of that entity. The belief, in this case, is certainly real, but the object of that belief? Nope, still no evidence for it.

[D_M_H]

sweets2360 wrote:

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All that lovely seafood, shrimp, crabs, lobsters, oysters and scallops. I guess we will all go to hell happy, with cocktail sauce and rarafied butter on our breath.

And Pasta! RAmen!!