Atheists on the march in America

Atheists on the march in America

There are 70657 comments on the TurkishPress.com story from Aug 26, 2009, titled Atheists on the march in America. In it, TurkishPress.com reports that:

When South Florida atheists held their first meeting, they were just five friends, having a beer at a bar.

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jack13

Sacramento, CA

#2716 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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I have always been honest with you. I will address your earlier post since it seems so important to you.
Christians see the secular humanist worldview supported, endorsed, and financed by the state, and are simply calling for equal time to be heard. To exclude a worldview because it is based on the existence of a being and an authority that surpasses human beings and authority in favor of a worldview that denies this is simply invidious discrimination.
If government schools and institutions are not to teach or promote religious worldviews and must only teach and promote government approved worldviews, most likely, these worldviews will be secular humanist worldviews, which is the same as atheism?
And why should secular humanists have a state approved monopoly on moral, ethical, social and political instruction in the public schools?
The argument of atheistic, secular humanists is disingenuous. We know what they really mean to do: turn everyone into atheists and establish a humanist, atheistic state, because they are driven by an ideology that has as fundamental premises the evil of religion, especially Christianity, and the supremacy and goodness of man.
See? I told you that I am always honest with you.
I guess you must be talking about history. That is the only class that I can think of that might fill your bill. Of course you should be frightened of any course that would reveal the history of religion. That history is enough to turn any thinking person against religion. But the truth is, no school today would dare to teach the history of religion. Christians would stone or shoot the teacher and yell foul. As for classes in science, you'd want to teach creationism. And in every class, your want to start the class with a prayer. Of course in math classes, you could not teach the value of zero in math. After all, that comes from an Islamic finding. Yes, I can see just how our schools would benefit from your lesson plans. In fact we can see that now, as the right wing has had control of what text books are allowed in our class rooms for twenty-three years. During that time, American education has fallen behind all of the industrialized nations. Your religious agenda might insure we can never recover from this lag in education. Besides, by your definition, public schools are just socialized government institutions and should be turned over to the church. If a student is not of your religion or is poor, why waste church funds to educate them. Let hm be home schooled. After all, for christian equality only applies to devout christians. Every other religion is just out of luck.
Bill Smith

Mount Pleasant, SC

#2717 Sep 10, 2009
NoGod Needed wrote:
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and many great Christians were criminals,so what? There are good people and bad people in all walks of life, and because some may use their belief\or lack of' as a tool, that just makes them bad people, not a ticket to stereotype a group of people. Otherwise, I could blame modern Xtians for the crusade\inquisitions etc.
I don't know what your definition of "worship" is, but I do not worship anything.
My point is that most people worship something. I suspect you are in love with the state and support it. I could be wrong though.

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#2718 Sep 10, 2009
nmweatherman wrote:
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You have morals?
I love to watch the atheists rave on a thread, show the world what irrational, mentally ill people they are. It's an education, believe me. And really nasty PR for the atheists.
Speaking of bad PR...read up on Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the most hated woman in America, founder of American Atheists.
Have a nice day, and you atheists keep the froth coming. But could you tone down your squirming and gnashing of teeth? Thank you.
Frothing, gnashing,???? that's funny,,,,as for Mrs.O'hair....I guess I didn't get hold of the propaganda you read....Most hated in America? wow!
NoGod Needed

Liberty, ME

#2719 Sep 10, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
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My point is that most people worship something. I suspect you are in love with the state and support it. I could be wrong though.
You are wrong, I do not worship the State or the government. Again, what is your definition or worship? Some people think I worship my Harley, but admiration and worship are not the same thing.

“Peace be with you.”

Since: Aug 08

Lexington, SC

#2720 Sep 10, 2009
D_M_H wrote:
<quoted text>The atheist would say the elephant doesn't exist only if he had reached out and found nothing. No evidence, no elephant. If he smelled the elephant, it exists. If he heard the elephant, it exists. A book, in braille, stating that the elephant is all around and within him, is only a fairy tale if he can't experience any physical evidence.
You pondered this all by yourself ? Have a lot of time on your hands?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#2721 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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I think the US should uphold and defend its culture, its heritage and its civilization. This civilization has been founded upon and shaped by the Euro- Christian heritage. I believe in its value and its important contribution to the world and that it should be preserved. The Christian and Western tradition has driven all moral progress for humanity for the last 300 years. There is no other civilization that has contributed so much.
As for all the other religions, that's their problem. Where those religions are dominant in their part of the world, be they Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish or Muslim, they have their defenders and they can assume responsibility for the defense and preservation of their civilizations. We are under no obligation to do it for them. We in the West should just take care of preserving and making sure our civilization thrives.
A people that no longer believes in preserving its traditions, values, heritage and culture is one that is doomed to the dust bin of history. That is the definition of decadence.
Driven the morals???!!! More like Christianity drove whites to destroy and persecute hundreds of cultures across continental America...that's some heritage! Have you even considered the desruction of the Druidic nations & cultures destroyed by your Christianity!!!
NoGod Needed

Liberty, ME

#2722 Sep 10, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
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My point is that most people worship something. I suspect you are in love with the state and support it. I could be wrong though.
I am in love with my girlfriend, but I do not worship her.(depending on your definition) I have respect for the State, but I do not worship it. I guess I need a definition of the word, because even the dictionary has broad definitions of the word. Although most here associate worship with a God, and the State is no God.

“Peace be with you.”

Since: Aug 08

Lexington, SC

#2723 Sep 10, 2009
john wrote:
I've already stated atheists can be and often are moral. I asked what is the standard and from where is it derived? Now, I'll jump ahead and submit it is the moral law. Atheists are more likely to fight it because they do not want to be subject to it or anything that doesn't place them at the top of the food chain. Using the trite Hitler analogy I I'll point out the godless dictators Stalin, Pol Pot, and Mao. Antitheism has had horrific consequences ending the lives of millions upon millions. If they weren't acting as atheists, Germans weren't acting as Christians. That's provable because there is a standard that murder is wrong.
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I bet you can come up with some pretty horrible christians also. You can start with the godly priests molesting children in the church.......... and don't forget the minister's preaching homosexuality condemned to hell only to leave the sermon to hire a male prostitute.

Only in the name of god are these crimes ok?

“Peace be with you.”

Since: Aug 08

Lexington, SC

#2724 Sep 10, 2009
john wrote:
I know you didn't read it nothinker.
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To question is to think. To accept without question is a no brainer :-)
ScienceRules

Plainfield, VT

#2725 Sep 10, 2009
progressive wrote:
<quoted text> Another proof that the book is not a good book, and did not come from a good god.
But, but......... them perfesser types found a town where the bible said one existed so that proves jeebus walked on water and snakes talk!

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2726 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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The credibility of the Bible is supported by historical and archeological evidence. The credibility in the Biblical God is arrived at by an examination of the stories and records of the prophets, by the prophetic record and their meaning and symbolism, by the life of Jesus and the remarkable claims about him, the eyewitness testimony and the inexplicable events surrounding him.
All these things may be doubted and debated, but nonetheless, they are several levels above any hypothesis about pixies.
That's the difference.
ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2727 Sep 10, 2009
Borg3of7 wrote:
Whew! I can't believe I've waded through this topic!!!! As an "Atheist" I would like a demonstration on how "Christian" or "mystic" morals are more refined or generally a better than my morals!!??
Charlie wrote:
You don't have morals! What you have are momentary behavioral preferences if these are not too much of an inconvenience in your quest to party, get wasted and have all the sex with as many people as you can all guilt free!
Of course, you may be like 'It aint necessarily so' who takes his pleasure not so much in the carnal sort, but in the pleasure of his own conceit that he is a moral and worthy person. It is his pride in himself that gives him pleasure.
nmweatherman wrote:
I love to watch the atheists rave on a thread, show the world what irrational, mentally ill people they are. It's an education, believe me. And really nasty PR for the atheists. Speaking of bad PR...read up on Madalyn Murray O'Hair, the most hated woman in America, founder of American Atheists. Have a nice day, and you atheists keep the froth coming. But could you tone down your squirming and gnashing of teeth? Thank you.
This is Borg3of7's first and only post in this thread so far, and these were the reactions of two of the reactionaries we've got in this thread. Neither one needs to know a thing about this man or his morals to rail at him about them and savage him like ghoulish vampires.

This is precisely the same behavior as that of the conservative pig Joe Wilson (R-what else?) who shouted out. "You lie" during Obama's speech last night.

This is the kind of behavior that is being encouraged in America by the Glenn Becks ("don't tread on me," "water the tree of liberty"). This is the very picture of a polity decaying, and there aren't enough stakes in the world to drive through all of their black hearts.

What a bunch of sick f*cks. Too vile and repulsive for me.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2728 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
A people that no longer believes in preserving its traditions, values, heritage and culture is one that is doomed to the dust bin of history. That is the definition of decadence.
Well said, and ironic as hell.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2729 Sep 10, 2009
Hedonist wrote:
George Bush said he spoke to god every day and people loved him for it. If he had said that he spoke to god through his hair dryer, people would have thought him insane. I fail to understand why the absence of the hair dryer makes any difference.
Charlie wrote:
No…… the people would have thought him insane if he claimed the hair dryer spoke back to him.
"I fail to understand why the absence of the hair dryer makes any difference."

So did Charlie.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2730 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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It is the lack of EVIDENCE on which you base your argument. The actual existence is still under debate…… among reasonable people.
By 'reasonable people' do you mean people willing to ignore any and all contradictory evidence in order to maintain their belief? One can argue for their belief in the existence of anything, but without factual supporting evidence of that existence it's just an exercise in futility

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2731 Sep 10, 2009
From http://snipurl.com/rqcrm :
It aint necessarily so wrote:

[1] Science offers questions that may never be answered and makes you fly into outer space.

[2] Religion offers answers that may never be questioned and makes you fly into buildings.
Charlie wrote:
Not all science makes you fly into outer space, and not all religions make you fly into buildings. I thought atheists were the rational thinkers here!
It aint necessarily so wrote:
This would be a good reply if the comment had been:
[1] All science ever done makes you fly into outer space.
But since that's not what was written, you successfully contradicted your straw man. In logic, well call this a "mistake", or more technically, a "fallacy". Being that your logic is bad, we call your comment "illogical" or "irrational," thus bringing us full circle back to our starting point, where the freethinker was logical, and the religionist was ... not, just as you originally (and now finally) thought.
Sorry, Charlie.
So, Charlie, you’re repeating the same sophistry that I called you on a week ago. You know that the argument is invalid, yet you choose to use it again.

When you say something that you know is untrue and dishonest, that makes you a prevaricator.

Let me quote the eminent Rep. Joe Wilson (R-Transylvania):

“You lie!!”

And you talk about the morals of freethinkers like Borg3of7?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2732 Sep 10, 2009
Oops! Forgots Charlie's repeat of the lie:

From http://snipurl.com/rqcrm :
It aint necessarily so wrote:

[1] Science offers questions that may never be answered and makes you fly into outer space.

[2] Religion offers answers that may never be questioned and makes you fly into buildings.
Charlie wrote:
Not all science makes you fly into outer space, and not all religions make you fly into buildings. I thought atheists were the rational thinkers here!
It aint necessarily so wrote:
This would be a good reply if the comment had been:
[1] All science ever done makes you fly into outer space.
But since that's not what was written, you successfully contradicted your straw man. In logic, well call this a "mistake", or more technically, a "fallacy". Being that your logic is bad, we call your comment "illogical" or "irrational," thus bringing us full circle back to our starting point, where the freethinker was logical, and the religionist was ... not, just as you originally (and now finally) thought.
Sorry, Charlie.
Charlie wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all Science makes you fly over buildings
Not all Faith makes you fly into buildings
Not all Science makes you believe in reason
Not all Faith makes you believe in terror
Not all Science makes you live for truth
Not all Faith makes you die for god
A religion without a bicycle is like a man without a fish
So, Charlie, you’re repeating the same sophistry that I called you on a week ago. You know that the argument is invalid, yet you choose to use it again.

When you say something that you know is untrue and dishonest, that makes you a prevaricator.

Let me quote the eminent Rep. Joe Wilson (R-Transylvania):

“You lie!!”

And you talk about the morals of freethinkers like Borg3of7?

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#2733 Sep 10, 2009
Charlie wrote:
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You do not have all the facts nor a proper appreciation of the situation, so you are in no position to judge anything.
When it comes to 'god'(any 'god') there are no "facts".

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2734 Sep 10, 2009
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Christians let parasites ruin America. They listened uncritically to their politically incompetent clergy and obeyed. That's why I say that being a liberal and secular American amongst a 50% admixture of Christo-reactionary zombies is like being in business with rain Man as your partner. You're just f*cked. Every good idea is misunderstood, and when you're not watching, he's selling the licensing rights for magic beans.
Bill Smith wrote:
That is the problem with most atheists. Instead of religion they pick the state to worship. Stateism is the "new" religion and it is just as deadly.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
And you somehow got that from my post?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Statism? I'm liberal, but lean more toward libertarianism than socialism or statism, and as far as I can tell, there was indication that I support anything like that, so I don't know where his comment came from.
Bill Smith wrote:
You did admit to being "liberal".
Sorry, Bill, but you just earned the same Parachute Award as Charlie and nmweatherman for jumping to conclusions based on nothing.

This is not the kind of thinking that you want to put out there on display for the world to read. You reveal too much (or should I say too little) of your thought processing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#2735 Sep 10, 2009
Bill Smith wrote:
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It doesn't. However, a great many atheists worship the state instead of some deity.
Hey, Bill. I see that you're from South Carolina. You're not from Joe Wilson's district, are you?

How's Governor Sanford doing since he got back from the Appalach ... er, Argentina?

And Strom's love child with his slave? Everything OK there, too?

Keep up the good work. We're all proud of the Palmetto state, and you're making a fine contribution to its culture.

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