Thank you.Your analogy suggests to me you may be reasonable on this so I will acquiesce and assume we agree on the definition of indoctrination. Yes, I would be with you.
Good, then it's settled. There is no need to argue further, because we're not going to agree on anything else. Though if you're interested in
I'm sorry John, but sometimes you write up a paragraph that just makes no sense at all. This is one of them.I'm not nearly as unreasonable as most here think I just don't feel the need to defend Christianity in such a micro way when there has been no position to defend by those that think debate can take place in such circumstances.
I'm going to guess based on your past posts that you are attempting to blast atheists for not having belief again by saying we have nothing to defend. That is exactly what we have to defend. Our nothing.
It is our very right to have nothing. To be at peace with that. To sit quietly at home with that.
John, I don't tell people I'm an atheist anymore, because it turns into a BORING 3 hour "conversation" I DON'T want to have... I just play along with their beliefs and whatever the conversation is passes in 3 minutes.
That is what I have to defend John. My 3 hours. I want all of those 3 hours back.
I will not come into your house to preach the ills of YHVH. I would appreciate if you and yours do not come into mine preaching 'his' praises.
That is all there is to this John. We are simply fighting for our right to believe nothing, and the fact that you're baffled by it is quite unsettling... It's called freedom John.
It means different things to different people, but that's one of the many things we don't understand.This forum is riddled with presuppositions and nonsense as to what the God of Abraham means.
You've got books. You all claim the same books, but each one of ya picks out different books and says "this is just an analogy" and others to say "this is the real deal" and you can't even agree on what this god is all about.
However, when we take the books at face value... if we do that... there is a clear picture, and it's not a good one.
We have to do a lot of carving to take a decent god out it.
That's called having two different arguments John.That's why I choose to put the question of a creator into more macro terms and suggest that accepting any and all possibility including alien seeding is intellectually dishonest.
If we could all agree that YHVH is a bastard we could move on and try to come up with a better god thats a more realistic fit for a disorderly and chaotic universe.
How about mad scientist god? He doesn't know everything, and he's not all powerful. He had the power to start the big bang and manage a few brief communications with us, and now he's probably dead because it's been thousands of years since we last heard from him... either that or he has a new project...(Universe 2.3) He's not going to send us to hell if we don't believe, because there is no hell, and he doesn't have that kind of power...
But choosing a god is the most limiting thing of all.I believe that is limiting even if true and we hardly know that if we have any curiousity nto a possible purpose etc. For our lives.
Without choosing a religion you're free to explore the realm of existentialism without restraint...
It's a bold new world out there without the chains that bind you.
What is the world? What are we? What is reality?
You can't claim to have the answers and still be seeking them.
I'm quite positive your average atheist has explored far more concepts of god and reality than your average theist...