Voting in North Carolina Churches Sho...

Voting in North Carolina Churches Should Cease

There are 18 comments on the www.americanhumanist.org story from Jun 2, 2012, titled Voting in North Carolina Churches Should Cease. In it, www.americanhumanist.org reports that:

Stating that "churches are an unconstitutionally hostile environment for nonreligious voters," the North Carolina State Board of Elections has been asked by the American Humanist Association to cease allowing the use of churches as polling places.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1 Jun 2, 2012
They could continue voting in churches, if the churches would cover up their religious iconography on voter's day.

Or take down the overtly conservative pictures.

And to comply with the no closer than 1000 feet law (that prohibits political signage near polling places) they'd have to put a tarp over their church signs too.

And perhaps, another one over their steeples.

But we all know they will never do that, will they?

Churches do not have to comply with the law, it seems...

Since: Jan 12

Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#2 Jun 2, 2012
I swear sometimes I feel like we are living in a de facto theocracy.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#3 Jun 2, 2012
Schools are places that teach people to think and teach facts.

Small wonder the rightwingnuts want polling stations in churches instead of schools.

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Since: Sep 10

Earth

#4 Jun 2, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
I swear sometimes I feel like we are living in a de facto theocracy.
You almost quoted a line from one of my favourite songs:

Rough Trade, "What's The Furor About The Fuhrer?"



The song's lyrics: http://shorttext.com/uUoe0n

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#5 Jun 3, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
I swear sometimes I feel like we are living in a de facto theocracy.
It has been looking like that. Which is probably why there is such an uproar about it now.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#6 Jun 3, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
It has been looking like that. Which is probably why there is such an uproar about it now.
Yes. People are waking up, and realizing that religion should be no more excused from critical review than anything else.

One of the major contributors to that, is the catholic child-rape coverup.

In spite if the horrid fate of the victims, it really was the best thing to happen to religion in a long time.

The sad part, is that thousands of kids had to be horribly victimized first...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7 Jun 3, 2012
... but really, when has religion ever NOT victimized children to it's cause?

In the entire history of religion? Not one time, has there been a period when kids were NOT the victims of it all.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#8 Jun 5, 2012
Wat the Tyler wrote:
I swear sometimes I feel like we are living in a de facto theocracy.
to some extent we are. there should not be voting in churches. period. it violates the first amendment.

now let me shock folks on the liberal side. I think Nartin Luther King was terribly irresponsible and simple-minded in organizing the civil rights marches and demonstrations in black churches which were also used for services and other gatherings where children would come. and I think he was wrong to use children in his marches - and I mean the accusation in the word "use" as well. He was deciding for them to put them at risk, and deciding to encourage their own parents to put them at risk, based on his nonsense belief in a heaven and a God that would make all things right in the end - no matter if a child was killed at age 7 or 8 due to his manipulative tactics! He had no right to impose his superstition on children to that extent - and some died because of it. I always thought he was over-rated because of his religiosity - and minimized and under-rated and not acknowledged for his anti-war and social justice views. I think the black minister tone and cadance and stance was a part of why he was liked by many people - not what he was really for, in the real changes he wanted. I also think his various acts of adultery were tacit, and totally unselfaware admissions that he often felt afraid, alone, mortal, and destined to be killed, and had to fill up his life so as not to face the impact of what he was getting himself into.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#9 Jun 5, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
... but really, when has religion ever NOT victimized children to it's cause?
In the entire history of religion? Not one time, has there been a period when kids were NOT the victims of it all.
so what do you think about MLK victimizing children because of his faith? see above comment.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10 Jun 5, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>to some extent we are. there should not be voting in churches. period. it violates the first amendment.
now let me shock folks on the liberal side. I think Nartin Luther King was terribly irresponsible and simple-minded in organizing the civil rights marches and demonstrations in black churches which were also used for services and other gatherings where children would come. and I think he was wrong to use children in his marches - and I mean the accusation in the word "use" as well. He was deciding for them to put them at risk, and deciding to encourage their own parents to put them at risk, based on his nonsense belief in a heaven and a God that would make all things right in the end - no matter if a child was killed at age 7 or 8 due to his manipulative tactics! He had no right to impose his superstition on children to that extent - and some died because of it. I always thought he was over-rated because of his religiosity - and minimized and under-rated and not acknowledged for his anti-war and social justice views. I think the black minister tone and cadance and stance was a part of why he was liked by many people - not what he was really for, in the real changes he wanted. I also think his various acts of adultery were tacit, and totally unselfaware admissions that he often felt afraid, alone, mortal, and destined to be killed, and had to fill up his life so as not to face the impact of what he was getting himself into.
Honest opinion, if MLK was alive today, he'd probably be an agnostic atheist and not ascribe to any specific religious cult.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11 Jun 5, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. People are waking up, and realizing that religion should be no more excused from critical review than anything else.
One of the major contributors to that, is the catholic child-rape coverup.
In spite if the horrid fate of the victims, it really was the best thing to happen to religion in a long time.
The sad part, is that thousands of kids had to be horribly victimized first...
Well, we are trying to undo the damage the religious people have done to kids in the US, it's difficult but we're doing pretty good so far, considering. Just teaching them that the bible is fact is abuse, and there are not enough people who see this yet, even many atheists try to ignore this. Consider what it would be like telling a small child that if they do something wrong they will "burn in hell for all eternity," not that difference from telling them that there's a boogieman in the closet that will rip off their face if they go in there.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#12 Jun 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Honest opinion, if MLK was alive today, he'd probably be an agnostic atheist and not ascribe to any specific religious cult.
I do not agree with you. He used his religiosity up front all the time. He did it on behalf lots of good social causes, and peace causes, and for that I can admire his preferences. But I do not admire his risk-taking, involving children who were brainwashed in religion, and did not know their lives could end.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#13 Jun 5, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, we are trying to undo the damage the religious people have done to kids in the US, it's difficult but we're doing pretty good so far, considering. Just teaching them that the bible is fact is abuse, and there are not enough people who see this yet, even many atheists try to ignore this. Consider what it would be like telling a small child that if they do something wrong they will "burn in hell for all eternity," not that difference from telling them that there's a boogieman in the closet that will rip off their face if they go in there.
I agree with you entirely that it is child abuse to teach a child to believe in and be afraid of a hell, or even to believe in a hell for others.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14 Jun 5, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I do not agree with you. He used his religiosity up front all the time. He did it on behalf lots of good social causes, and peace causes, and for that I can admire his preferences. But I do not admire his risk-taking, involving children who were brainwashed in religion, and did not know their lives could end.
MLK believed that the end justified the means so your religious point falls apart.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#15 Jun 5, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you entirely that it is child abuse to teach a child to believe in and be afraid of a hell, or even to believe in a hell for others.
or a god or religion for that matter.

None of this sh*t should be taught until its PROVEN.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16 Jun 6, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> so what do you think about MLK victimizing children because of his faith? see above comment.
It was a horrid thing-- when they died.

But.

Teaching kids that they don't have to knuckle-under to the status quo?

That can >>never<< be a bad thing, IMO.

The status quo is not nearly as good a thing as many think it is.

Teach kids (by example) that they >>can<< change the world, if they have the will is >>always<< in order.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17 Jun 6, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, we are trying to undo the damage the religious people have done to kids in the US, it's difficult but we're doing pretty good so far, considering. Just teaching them that the bible is fact is abuse, and there are not enough people who see this yet, even many atheists try to ignore this. Consider what it would be like telling a small child that if they do something wrong they will "burn in hell for all eternity," not that difference from telling them that there's a boogieman in the closet that will rip off their face if they go in there.
Yes-- teaching the bible is child abuse.

It (bible) really ought to have an NC-17 rating.

It teaches kids that rape of a girl-child is just fine...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18 Jun 6, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
or a god or religion for that matter.
None of this sh*t should be taught until its PROVEN.
Not to kids, anyhow.

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