4 Reasons Atheists Have to Fight for Their Rights

Aug 16, 2012 | Posted by: Hedonist | Full story: freethoughtblogs.com

In the U.S., atheists have laws protecting us. But laws aren't always obeyed, or enforced - and fighting for legal rights can have dire consequences.

Atheists are experiencing real, law-breaking discrimination. The fact that itís illegal does not always stop it from happening. It is reasonable for us to speak out about it. And it is reasonable for us to expect people to give a damn. It is reasonable to expect our friends, our families, our colleagues, our communities, our country, to pay attention ó and to do something about it.

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4Him

Statesville, NC

#43 Aug 20, 2012
Humanist wrote:
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Then your life is far emptier than the life of an atheist. We atheists believe in facing life fearlessly and without zany superstitions. We believe that hospitals should be built instead of churches, that good deeds should be done instead of prayers said. We want poverty vanquished, war eliminated, and disease extirpated from the face of the earth. We are above all humanists who do not just speak of our love of humanity, but practice it in our daily lives.
We believe in the scientific method. We believe in solving our own problems and not trying to lay them on a nonexistent supernatural force. We believe that heaven should be erected here on earth. There are no rewards after death except our progeny. We should lay up the treasures of life and the pursuit of happiness for us and our children and their children, not for pipe-dreams and streets of gold.
Most of us are familiar with the historical evils of Christianity, with its illogical book full of contradictions and lies, with its savage inquisitions, its cruel jealous deity, genocide, human sacrifice, and bloody crusades.
These are a few of the many sound reasons why we are atheists.
Atheism sounds like a great religion. How's it going so far? Changing the world, are you?

Christianity (albeit practiced poorly by sinners like me) is based on faith in Jesus Christ, God's Son, who died for you and for me while His enemy, and reconciled us to God so we can have a relationship with Him...His original intent. My life has purpose, and I have a future beyond the grave. I do not base my world view on what science tells me, but on what the Creator tells me. One day, every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Until then, I will proclaim Him as my Savior and Lord now. You can know Him, too. I pray you will one day.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#44 Aug 20, 2012
Him wrote:
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Wow! It takes more faith than I've got to be an atheist! Faith in nothing is a difficult concept.
Atheism isn't for everybody.
4Him

Statesville, NC

#45 Aug 20, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Atheism isn't for everybody.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.
John 3:16

The gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone. God desires than none be apart from Him. He loves you even though you may despise Him now. Please, open your heart and listen to this good news.
redneck

Cave Junction, OR

#46 Aug 20, 2012
Him wrote:
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Wow! It takes more faith than I've got to be an atheist! Faith in nothing is a difficult concept.
We have NO FAITH,that is why we are atheists. Him don't get it.
Humanist

Asheville, NC

#47 Aug 20, 2012
4Him wrote:
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Atheism sounds like a great religion. How's it going so far? Changing the world, are you?
[...]
It's not a religion but you're welcome to join us. Religion is dying and atheism is growing: an answer to your first question.

The world is changing because people are becoming more savvy, more rational. We are not wacky evangelists like Christians. We don't peddle fairy tales as gospel truth.

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nOgOd

Rockford, IL

#48 Aug 20, 2012
The good news is, is that gods, fairies, souls, ghosts and monsters under your bed do not exist. The good news is, is that science and reason are leading the way to a better, more peaceful life on Earth. The good news is, is that you can join us in the real world and it will not cost you anything. The good news is, is that reality and reason are for everyone.
Please, open your eyes to the real world and leave superstition behind for no one has everlasting life. This is the only life you have so make it a good one.
4Him wrote:
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For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.
John 3:16
The gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone. God desires than none be apart from Him. He loves you even though you may despise Him now. Please, open your heart and listen to this good news.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#49 Aug 20, 2012
More good news: you can continue to believe and worship and still embrace science and reason. All it takes is an ability to compartmentalize.
4Him

Statesville, NC

#50 Aug 21, 2012
Atheism is a sad religion of un-belief. A serious atheists soon finds it takes more faith to believe in nothing than in a Creator God. I have heard the atheist arguments many times. Pitiful...not fearless...not noble...not inspiring to others...not free.

I've explored the various religions. All of man's attempts to "know" God in order to please Him by "doing" something are pitiful, too. So God did for man what He cannot do for himself...and He did this through His son, Jesus. It's called grace. It's called mercy. This is the good news (gospel).

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#51 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
Atheism is a sad religion of un-belief
It's not a religion you lying sack of sh*t. Prove your god or f*ck off, its that simple.

nobody want's you hear your uneducated rambling about atheists thank you very much.

Concentrate on proving your god and learning how to become a more honest person, instead of going around forums lying for your pathetic cult.
Humanist

Asheville, NC

#52 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
[1]Atheism is a sad religion of un-belief.[2] A serious atheists [sic] soon finds it takes more faith to believe in nothing than in a Creator God.[some preaching redacted]
[1] Yeah, sure, and abstinence is a sexual position like doggie or missionary.

[2] That's absurd. Time wasted on faith and worship can best be spent on the great adventures of life. AND .... we don't have to go to church twice on Sunday and once on Wednesday night like you fundies do. Some of us attend the UU Church, though. Yes, the UU Church welcomes atheists.

We're not always being dunned for a tithe or reminded of some dark fiery place (conjured up in grotesque imaginations) called hell, complete with a horned devil, and demons, and eternal suffering with wailing, weeping, and gnashing of teeth, where we'll scorch forever if we don't pay a tithe or honor the sabbath or love your elusive Jesus. We spurn the lives of hypocrisy which you embrace and the lies of your self-righteousness.

You have to be awfully smug and naive to let yourself be taken in by Christianity.
4Him

Statesville, NC

#53 Aug 21, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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It's not a religion you lying sack of sh*t. Prove your god or f*ck off, its that simple.
nobody want's you hear your uneducated rambling about atheists thank you very much.
Concentrate on proving your god and learning how to become a more honest person, instead of going around forums lying for your pathetic cult.
So much for atheists being nice people. Try civil discourse 101.

http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#54 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
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So much for atheists being nice people. Try civil discourse 101.
http://creation.com/atheism-a-religion
Most of us are.

But did you bother to read the article this thread is about. Atheists have been falsely maligned for far too long. Some are just tired of all the crap.

Also, this particular thread is apparently posted in both the Asheville forum AND the Atheism forum, so you are likely to get all kinds of people commenting in here.

And, no, I'm not going to go to a religious site that continues to lie about atheists in the ongoing attempt to stir bigotry and hate. Do you have a secular reference you'd like to cite?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#55 Aug 21, 2012
Dichter und Denker wrote:
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There are things unseen and undetectable which do exist. They are as yet undiscovered.
There is a difference between undetected and undetectable. You cannot discover somethign that is undetectable because there is no possible way to detect it.
The quark is an example of a recent discovery. It cannot be seen but its trace has been found. So we now know the quark as well as other subatomic particles do exist because their properties have been found.
And we have detected them, albeit inside of protons and neutrons. Perhaps you have too narrow a definition of the word 'detect'.
But proving the nonexistence of an elephant in a room is hardly analogous to proving the nonexistence of a god.
it was an example of how one *can* prove a negative. But it does require the properties of the object to be sufficiently clear for this to be possible.
A ghost in a room or the question of whether there is life after death would be less of a strawman than your elephant. If I propose that there *is* a god, or that there *are* gods (which of course I would not do because there is no evidence), you have no way of disproving the existence thereof.
if there is no possible way of detecting a ghost (undetectable, that is), then ghosts do not exist. If there *is* a way of detecting them, then their existence is, at most, provisional until the detection is actually made. If, however, the test is done and they *should* be detected but are not, then their existence is shown to be false.
Therefore, most atheists are more realistically defined as agnostics. They do not bother themselves with whether there is either proof or disproof of deities, as long as there are no traces thereof. And as science progresses many phenomena which humans explained as emanations of a god are now understood by sentient human beings as natural phenomena.
Exactly. Gods are not required to understand the universe. if there is a way of clearly detecting them, please tell us what it is so we can do the experiment and see what happens. if there is no way of clearly detecting them, then the existence is, literally, meaningless.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#56 Aug 21, 2012
SomeOldDude wrote:
When the SHTF, who will you call to? A Golden statue? Perhaps mankind? Freedom of belief is ok, but God will take care of his children whatever happens! Believe in God or not, he is the Alpha and Omega.
When the bad stuff hits the rotation blades, we don't call on *anybody*. We roll up our sleeves and attempt to fix the problem ourselves. It isn't God that fixes the problems; it is those to actually do the work required to fix the problems. By wasting time with prayers and your superstition instead of actually *helping*, you make it more likely that problems will not be solved. And that is when you are not actively working against the things required to solve the problems.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#57 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
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Atheism sounds like a great religion. How's it going so far? Changing the world, are you?
Christianity (albeit practiced poorly by sinners like me) is based on faith in Jesus Christ, God's Son, who died for you and for me while His enemy, and reconciled us to God so we can have a relationship with Him...His original intent. My life has purpose, and I have a future beyond the grave. I do not base my world view on what science tells me, but on what the Creator tells me. One day, every knee shall bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord of all. Until then, I will proclaim Him as my Savior and Lord now. You can know Him, too. I pray you will one day.
Yes, we have all heard about your silly superstition. Perhaps some day you will grow up and learn to think and analyze things for yourself. That requires scepticism and the willingness to doubt what you have been told. And, let's be clear, you were told by a person that your scriptures are from a deity. No deity told you that (although the scriptues do say it, so do the scriptures of other religions). Your 'faith' is simply a dereliction of the duty to think for yourself.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#58 Aug 21, 2012
Excellent article, by the way!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#59 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son, that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but shall have everlasting life.
John 3:16
Why would you offer me this? Here - let me give you something in return of equal value to show my appreciation:

Qu'ran Al-Ghashiyah
88:11 Wherein they will hear no unsuitable speech.
88:12 Within it is a flowing spring.
88:13 Within it are couches raised high

Couches will be raised high! And Jesus is Lord! And 'twas the night before Christmas!
4Him wrote:
The gospel of Jesus Christ is for everyone.
Not really. It's for you.
4Him wrote:
He loves you even though you may despise Him now.
Neither Jesus nor Santa love me, and I despise neither. Nor Superman. How can you despise them?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#60 Aug 21, 2012
4Him wrote:
I have heard the atheist arguments many times. Pitiful...not fearless...not noble...not inspiring to others...not free.
Atheism isn't for everybody, especially if you're late middle age or older now. And there are huge benefits from taking the leap from faith back to reason.

But you are probably too vested in your choice - assuming that you were old enough to have one when you bit the apple - to throw it all out and try to learn how to live without a god in your head. Older folks are too ossified in their thinking to reshape it to that degree.
4Him wrote:
All of man's attempts to "know" God in order to please Him by "doing" something are pitiful, too.
No kidding. And costly. All those Sunday mornings and tithes, not to mention giving up a good sex life. Christian women are as prudish as their god. Imagine being married to a woman who considers you a deprave sinner for lusting her. And forget it if you were made lusting the same sex.
4Him wrote:
So God did for man what He cannot do for himself...and He did this through His son, Jesus. It's called grace. It's called mercy. This is the good news (gospel).
Mercy from what? Your god's own intolerance of us for his manufacturing defect? It's hardly mercy if somebody invents a debt for you, and then requires your worship to repay it.

Besides, your god knows nothing of mercy He tortures people for eternity with no hope of parole for not worshiping him. Any human alive would be more merciful to that, especially to children they said they loved.
Geez

Chelmsford, MA

#61 Aug 22, 2012
I Believe in Dog wrote:
Don't believe in a deity though. Deities are all the products of superstitions and stupid people.
Merely a quote of Ignorance!
Ralph Sexton Jr

Asheville, NC

#62 Aug 22, 2012
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Why would you offer me this? Here - let me give you something in return of equal value to show my appreciation:
Qu'ran Al-Ghashiyah
88:11 Wherein they will hear no unsuitable speech.
88:12 Within it is a flowing spring.
88:13 Within it are couches raised high
Couches will be raised high! And Jesus is Lord! And 'twas the night before Christmas!
<quoted text>
Not really. It's for you.
<quoted text>
Neither Jesus nor Santa love me, and I despise neither. Nor Superman. How can you despise them?
What? No mention of the 72 virgins who regrow their maidenheads every time they are deflowered and the willing 28 little boys? Or the overflowing goblets of wine which never go empty?

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