4 Reasons Atheists Have to Fight for Their Rights

Aug 16, 2012 | Posted by: Hedonist | Full story: freethoughtblogs.com

In the U.S., atheists have laws protecting us. But laws aren't always obeyed, or enforced - and fighting for legal rights can have dire consequences.

Atheists are experiencing real, law-breaking discrimination. The fact that it’s illegal does not always stop it from happening. It is reasonable for us to speak out about it. And it is reasonable for us to expect people to give a damn. It is reasonable to expect our friends, our families, our colleagues, our communities, our country, to pay attention — and to do something about it.

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Excellent write-up with lots and lots of good links!
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Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.

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The United States is most notable as being the first country to ever declare in our Constitution that the right to govern comes from "WE THE PEOPLE" and NOT from any deity.

When I was born in 1953 "god" was not in our pledge nor a part of our country's motto.

"Under god" was added to the pledge in 1954 changing us from "on nation, undivided" to one nation, divided by god.

"Our motto for the first almost 200 years was "e pluribus unum" signifying how the U.S. was a melting pot of people, cultures, and ideal. "From many people, we become one" was our country's motto and our pride. In 1956 it was changed to "in god we trust" and we lost our identity as a country where all were truly equal.

We are a secular country. If you don't like it, you leave.
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Traditional America wrote:
Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.
That is the xtian point of view however the Treaty of Tripoli clearly states "the government of the United States is not, by any means, founded on the christian religion'. This was ratified by congress and sighned by the President. Atheists are equal to whatever you are.

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Traditional America wrote:
Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.
It must really hurt to see the thing most precious in your life - your religion - dying right before your very eyes. Please tell us how that feels.

It must be horrible to see your mythological god get his ass kicked by atheists who have no respect whatsoever for you, your pitiful and anemic god, or your religion. What's that like?

And what can you do about it? Not a god damned thing. Not a god damned thing.

Have a blessed day!

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Traditional America wrote:
Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.
No, the MORMONS should move to Cuba with all of their sister wives and all of their pairs of magic underwear. You and I need to review ALL 40,000 so-called "Christian" sects in this country to determine which espouse a TRUE Christianity and which are just Christ-insanity, like the Jehovy Witnesses, the Mary-worshiping Cathy-licks and the Methodists who are really Baptists who went back to drinking and don't want to be judged. Atheists are the least of our problems. Glory!
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They also began printing that motto on our paper currency in '57.
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The United States is most notable as being the first country to ever declare in our Constitution that the right to govern comes from "WE THE PEOPLE" and NOT from any deity.
When I was born in 1953 "god" was not in our pledge nor a part of our country's motto.
"Under god" was added to the pledge in 1954 changing us from "on nation, undivided" to one nation, divided by god.
"Our motto for the first almost 200 years was "e pluribus unum" signifying how the U.S. was a melting pot of people, cultures, and ideal. "From many people, we become one" was our country's motto and our pride. In 1956 it was changed to "in god we trust" and we lost our identity as a country where all were truly equal.
We are a secular country. If you don't like it, you leave.

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nOgOd wrote:
They also began printing that motto on our paper currency in '57.
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CHRISTIAN EROSION OF THE WALL AROUND SECULAR GOVERNMENT
[modified from Topix poster Hedonist's original list]

[A] March 4, 1789 - secular U.S. government established.
[B] June 7, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli endorsed our secular foundation.

Then came the erosion:

[1] 1864 –“In god We trust” added to coins
[2] 1870 - Christmas was declared a federal holiday by Congress
[3] April 17, 1952 - a National Day of Prayer established
[4] 1954 - "under god" was added to the Pledge, changing America from one nation, indivisible, into one nation, divided by religion.
[5] 1956 - "In god we trust" made the national motto
[6] 1957 - "In god we trust" added to the paper currency
[7] 1987 – A US president says,“No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”- George H. W. Bush
[8] 2001 - White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (OFBCI) established.
[9] 2000's - multiple attempts at multiple levels to keep the Christian version of marriage the only legal one.

This doesn't include mentions of the incessant effort to erode reproductive freedom for women, illegal religious tests http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConsti... , and the effort to replace the teaching of evolutionary science in the schools with creationism.

And many of us consider giving churches the tax break they get inappropriate, as is looking the other way when the church violates the prohibition against its participation in the political process.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
CHRISTIAN EROSION OF THE WALL AROUND SECULAR GOVERNMENT
[modified from Topix poster Hedonist's original list]
[A] March 4, 1789 - secular U.S. government established.
[B] June 7, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli endorsed our secular foundation.
Then came the erosion:
[1] 1864 –“In god We trust” added to coins
[2] 1870 - Christmas was declared a federal holiday by Congress
[3] April 17, 1952 - a National Day of Prayer established
[4] 1954 - "under god" was added to the Pledge, changing America from one nation, indivisible, into one nation, divided by religion.
[5] 1956 - "In god we trust" made the national motto
[6] 1957 - "In god we trust" added to the paper currency
[7] 1987 – A US president says,“No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”- George H. W. Bush
[8] 2001 - White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (OFBCI) established.
[9] 2000's - multiple attempts at multiple levels to keep the Christian version of marriage the only legal one.
This doesn't include mentions of the incessant effort to erode reproductive freedom for women, illegal religious tests http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConsti... , and the effort to replace the teaching of evolutionary science in the schools with creationism.
And many of us consider giving churches the tax break they get inappropriate, as is looking the other way when the church violates the prohibition against its participation in the political process.
Another bullet for your timeline --

1881 - Chester A. Arthur swearing in ceremony is the first documented response of "so help me god" (not a part of the official oath of office).
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Don't believe in a deity though. Deities are all the products of superstitions and stupid people.

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Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.
Christian country?

Since when?

Before or after the displacement of the inhabitants?

Is it your arrogant way or it the mantra or the Christians to be ignorant and arrogant?
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Christian country?
Since when?
Before or after the displacement of the inhabitants?
Is it your arrogant way or it the mantra or the Christians to be ignorant and arrogant?
How many of you believe there was a war in heaven and Gawd threw out the rebels led by Lucifer ("Giver of Light") and his band of rebels. And Gawd created a special place for the rebels and their leader, who came to be known as Satan, a grim place called hell, full of fire and brimstone and containing a bottomless pit?

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

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Another bullet for your timeline --
1881 - Chester A. Arthur swearing in ceremony is the first documented response of "so help me god" (not a part of the official oath of office).
I had that one - from you - but deleted it because it wasn't a legal action or an effort by the church. It seems to have been Arthur's idea, and agreed upon by subsequent theist presidents. What do you think?

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How many of you believe there was a war in heaven and Gawd threw out the rebels led by Lucifer ("Giver of Light") and his band of rebels. And Gawd created a special place for the rebels and their leader, who came to be known as Satan, a grim place called hell, full of fire and brimstone and containing a bottomless pit?
If you believe that, you'll believe anything.
You don't have to believe that nonsense to embarrass those that do with it. From a post earlier this week:

"Are you sure that if you get into heaven, you can get out again if you choose to? A third of the angels allegedly wanted out after seeing the place, and they knew your god intimately. How do you account for that? Is your god as bad at making the angels he desired as was when he made sinful man?"
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Good timeline and comment.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
CHRISTIAN EROSION OF THE WALL AROUND SECULAR GOVERNMENT
[modified from Topix poster Hedonist's original list]
[A] March 4, 1789 - secular U.S. government established.
[B] June 7, 1797 Treaty of Tripoli endorsed our secular foundation.
Then came the erosion:
[1] 1864 –“In god We trust” added to coins
[2] 1870 - Christmas was declared a federal holiday by Congress
[3] April 17, 1952 - a National Day of Prayer established
[4] 1954 - "under god" was added to the Pledge, changing America from one nation, indivisible, into one nation, divided by religion.
[5] 1956 - "In god we trust" made the national motto
[6] 1957 - "In god we trust" added to the paper currency
[7] 1987 – A US president says,“No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”- George H. W. Bush
[8] 2001 - White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (OFBCI) established.
[9] 2000's - multiple attempts at multiple levels to keep the Christian version of marriage the only legal one.
This doesn't include mentions of the incessant effort to erode reproductive freedom for women, illegal religious tests http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/StateConsti... , and the effort to replace the teaching of evolutionary science in the schools with creationism.
And many of us consider giving churches the tax break they get inappropriate, as is looking the other way when the church violates the prohibition against its participation in the political process.

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I had that one - from you - but deleted it because it wasn't a legal action or an effort by the church. It seems to have been Arthur's idea, and agreed upon by subsequent theist presidents. What do you think?
Good point.
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Atheist rights? Move to Cuba. This is a Christian country.
Wrong, dude. There is NOTHING in the Constitution--y'know, the document that actually establishes the government--stating that America is Christian. The only two references to religion in the Constitution is the Establishment Clause keeping religion the hell out of government and vice versa, and the First Amendment that gives freedom of religion to all Americans...
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think what you want, believe what you want to believe, but leave me out of it, i don't care!

religions are a scam which need to be illegal, preying on the hopes, dreams and faith ( kin to pedophilia ) of innocent people seeking guidance into something they have no control over.

if it works for you, fine. keep it to yourself.

make me want to follow you by example, and i sure haven't seen that from any preacher.
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Wrong, dude. There is NOTHING in the Constitution--y'know, the document that actually establishes the government--stating that America is Christian. The only two references to religion in the Constitution is the Establishment Clause keeping religion the hell out of government and vice versa, and the First Amendment that gives freedom of religion to all Americans...
There is also another veiled reference in the Constitution to the bloody Christianity of England and Europe, which most of the Framers detested. The Framers clearly stated that there shall be no religious test as a condition of public office. It is found in Article VI, paragraph 3: "[N]o religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

This mandate and the Establishment Clause have uniformly been enforced against the states. The mandate against a religious test is the reason why an appellate judge in South Carolina bitc_-slapped Gov. David Beasley for refusing to grant a notary public license in South Carolina to Herb Silverman, a math professor at the College of Charleston who was otherwise qualified to become a notary public.

Prof. Silverman was granted his commission.

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Mr Smartypants wrote:
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Wrong, dude. There is NOTHING in the Constitution--y'know, the document that actually establishes the government--stating that America is Christian. The only two references to religion in the Constitution is the Establishment Clause keeping religion the hell out of government and vice versa, and the First Amendment that gives freedom of religion to all Americans...
Article VI.
Clause 3
"... but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

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