A Proof That God Exists
Imhotep

Silver Springs, FL

#1446 May 3, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No.
Not for the majority of Atheists, it's not.
<quoted text>
He uses the Christian dictionary for atheist
If anything it's a doctrine

I prefer IRRELIGIOUS

Webster says if you can believe him...

Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation:\&#712;& #257;-th&#275;-&#716;i -z&#601;m\
Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless,
from a-+ theos god

1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Richardfs

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#1447 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it does.
Atheism is a belief, namely, that no god exists.
This cannot be verified by knowledge, so faith is required for the position, just like theism.
You are a believer. Enjoy.
You have been hit on the head one time too many because you are incapable of learning:-

It is not a belief, take it from an atheist and your bully boy tactics wont change that simple fact.

But please carry on with your little delusion.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1448 May 3, 2013
Richardfs wrote:
<quoted text>
You have been hit on the head one time too many because you are incapable of learning:-
It is not a belief, take it from an atheist and your bully boy tactics wont change that simple fact.
But please carry on with your little delusion.
You are either a liar, or stupid, or both.

I'm leaning toward you being both, RichardFuckStick.

"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica

"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1449 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it doesn't.
As we speak, chandeliers are suspended by chains.
The attached chain is causing the suspension, and both are happening simultaneously.
A is causing B, and A and B are occurring simultaneously.
Interestingly some physicists have even postulated a backward causal order is possible.
Since you removed time as a factor suspension is rendered utterly irrelevant. The chandelier is not being suspended, it simply occupies a point in space at the end of the chain. Heck, the chain doesn't even need to be there at all. When God presses "play" all that changes.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1450 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, it does.
Atheism is a belief, namely, that no god exists.
This cannot be verified by knowledge, so faith is required for the position, just like theism.
You are a believer. Enjoy.
Then the same applies to fairies. Invisible Pink Unicorn. Cosmic Sheep. Flying Spaghetti Monster. Jar Jar Binks. You have to have faith that none of these exist. It's not enough to simply lack belief due to a complete and total lack of evidence.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1451 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either a liar, or stupid, or both.
I'm leaning toward you being both, RichardFuckStick.
"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica
"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
atheism

1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

American Heritage Dictionary

from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; + theos, god. Theism - belief in God. Ergo, without belief in God.

I must say Buck that your first sentence is particularly ironic.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1452 May 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you removed time as a factor suspension is rendered utterly irrelevant. The chandelier is not being suspended, it simply occupies a point in space at the end of the chain. Heck, the chain doesn't even need to be there at all. When God presses "play" all that changes.
That's fascinating.

Not your proposition, but the fact that you are dumb enough to make it.

I didn't remove time. I just pointed out the cause and effect are simultaneous in time.

Including "simultaneous" is to include time, as it is in the definition.

Keep trying. I doubt you can top your most recent prevarication.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1453 May 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the same applies to fairies. Invisible Pink Unicorn. Cosmic Sheep. Flying Spaghetti Monster. Jar Jar Binks. You have to have faith that none of these exist. It's not enough to simply lack belief due to a complete and total lack of evidence.
Not necessarily.

You could be agnostic with regard to unicorns, etc. Or you could be a verificationist.

If you believe in their non-existence, then you believe they do not exist.

If you cannot demonstrate it as fact, then it is your belief.

I can explain it to you, Dud, but I can't understand it for you.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1454 May 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
atheism
1. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.
2. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.
American Heritage Dictionary
from Greek atheos, godless : a-, without; + theos, god. Theism - belief in God. Ergo, without belief in God.
I must say Buck that your first sentence is particularly ironic.
Your supplied definitions support my position, though you obviously do not know it.

"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy

"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica

"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#1456 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
That's fascinating.
Not your proposition, but the fact that you are dumb enough to make it.
I didn't remove time. I just pointed out the cause and effect are simultaneous in time.
Including "simultaneous" is to include time, as it is in the definition.
Keep trying. I doubt you can top your most recent prevarication.
If it includes time then the cause must precede the effect. Chandelier is on the ground. It has a loose chain attached to the top. I pick up the other end of the chain and use the tension I caused to lift the chandelier and hang it from the ceiling. Cause preceded the effect. There is no way around this. You are removing time by having the chandelier already suspended, though suspension is CAUSED by previously established forces. Fact is somebody put the chandelier up there first.
Buck Crick wrote:
Not necessarily.

You could be agnostic with regard to unicorns, etc. Or you could be a verificationist.

If you believe in their non-existence, then you believe they do not exist.

If you cannot demonstrate it as fact, then it is your belief.

I can explain it to you, Dud, but I can't understand it for you.
Don't worry, you can't explain what you can't understand. I simply lack belief in those things you mentioned. A person can simply not believe in something due to a lack of evidence. Just because you suddenly invent some BS it doesn't suddenly make everyone else on the planet "religious" or require a "positive belief" that your BS doesn't exist. Your assertions are simply unimportant. Religions and positive assertions are not automatically created every time somebody thinks up a concept.
Buck Crick wrote:
Your supplied definitions support my position, though you obviously do not know it.
Then English must not be your first language.
Dude wrote:
DIS belief in OR denial of the existence of God or gods.
Dude wrote:
from Greek atheos, godless : a-, WITHOUT; + theos, god. Theism - belief in God. Ergo, WITHOUT belief in God.
(emphasis mine)

Like I said, if you're looking for the "fundamentalist atheist" who makes the POSITIVE assertion that there **DEFINITELY is no God no way no how not ever possible** then that's why God invented Skippy the 'Skeptic'. He is the answer to your prayers.
Thinking

Salisbury, UK

#1457 May 3, 2013
He doesn't believe in infinity, either.
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
He uses the Christian dictionary for atheist
If anything it's a doctrine
I prefer IRRELIGIOUS
Webster says if you can believe him...
Main Entry: athe·ism
Pronunciation:\&#712;& #257;-th&#275;-&#716;i -z&#601;m\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless,
from a-+ theos god
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity
b : the doctrine that there is no deity

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1458 May 3, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
If it includes time then the cause must precede the effect. Chandelier is on the ground. It has a loose chain attached to the top. I pick up the other end of the chain and use the tension I caused to lift the chandelier and hang it from the ceiling. Cause preceded the effect. There is no way around this. You are removing time by having the chandelier already suspended, though suspension is CAUSED by previously established forces. Fact is somebody put the chandelier up there first.
<quoted text>
Don't worry, you can't explain what you can't understand. I simply lack belief in those things you mentioned. A person can simply not believe in something due to a lack of evidence. Just because you suddenly invent some BS it doesn't suddenly make everyone else on the planet "religious" or require a "positive belief" that your BS doesn't exist. Your assertions are simply unimportant. Religions and positive assertions are not automatically created every time somebody thinks up a concept.
<quoted text>
Then English must not be your first language.
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
(emphasis mine)
Like I said, if you're looking for the "fundamentalist atheist" who makes the POSITIVE assertion that there **DEFINITELY is no God no way no how not ever possible** then that's why God invented Skippy the 'Skeptic'. He is the answer to your prayers.
The chandelier IS already suspended. And time still exists.

It was suspended yesterday; it is suspended today.

Your new prevarication is claiming prior cause and effect, as in the act of installing the chandelier.

Extending this, everything in the universe has only one cause, and everything else is the effect. Your proposed cause is not the cause, as the chain did not exist until someone dug the iron ore out of the ground.

So is iron ore the cause of the suspension? Or is the trackhoe that dug it the cause?

You offer nonsense.

Multiple cause/effect relationships led to the suspension of the chandelier. The particular cause/effect relation I am discussing is the present suspension, in time, which is a simultaneous cause and effect.

For other examples of simultaneous cause and effect, you may consider a cannon ball resting on a pillow, or a floating log displacing water.

You do not understand the discussion, and you are not capable of the critical thought necessary to understand it.

Maybe you breathed to much dirty fog.
----------

It is perfectly possible to lack belief in something due to lack of evidence.

But that is not atheism.

Attempting to define atheism that way is an attempt at dilution of the definition to remove any burden, and it is a fairly modern development.

It's a lie, in other words. It fits you.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#1459 May 3, 2013
Thinking wrote:
He doesn't believe in infinity, either.
<quoted text>
And you do?

That's OK, but any infinity in reality is impossible.

It's OK if you don't like to be limited to reality.

Some of us do.
Thinking

Salisbury, UK

#1460 May 3, 2013
Your idea of reality is but a subset.
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
And you do?
That's OK, but any infinity in reality is impossible.
It's OK if you don't like to be limited to reality.
Some of us do.
Imhotep

Silver Springs, FL

#1461 May 3, 2013
Thinking wrote:
He doesn't believe in infinity, either.
<quoted text>
I'm sure you've already noticed this but just to remind you if you Haven't...

GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out)= Organized Religion(Superstition)

LOOP = True Christian™ circular (Godidit) logic

Some Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.

Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.

Most present a persistent sense of inadequacy or a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.

Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.

Initially Thorazine 500 Mg
Thinking

Salisbury, UK

#1462 May 3, 2013
Cognitive dissonance is a particular issue for the fundamentalist believers.
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure you've already noticed this but just to remind you if you Haven't...
GIGO (Garbage in, garbage out)= Organized Religion(Superstition)
LOOP = True Christian™ circular (Godidit) logic
Some Topix theists posting in atheist forums have a mental disorder which manifests itself with an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.
Behind this mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem, vulnerable to the slightest criticism.
Most present a persistent sense of inadequacy or a tendency to self-diminishment, sometimes resulting in excessive aggressiveness through overcompensation.
Imhotep's court physicians prescribe psychotherapy.
Initially Thorazine 500 Mg

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1463 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either a liar, or stupid, or both.
I'm leaning toward you being both, RichardFuckStick.
"‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God."
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is the position that affirms the nonexistence of God. It proposes positive belief rather than mere suspension of disbelief."
-Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Atheism is to be distinguished from agnosticism, which leaves open the question of whether there is a god or not, professing to find the question unanswered or unanswerable; for the atheist, the nonexistence of God is a certainty."
-Encyclopedia Britannica
"In fact, atheism is an active belief that God doesn’t exist."
-Jonathan Safarti, PhD
Most encyclopedias and dictionaries give both meanings, not just the one that you insist on. which one applies in a conversation depends on contest. The context of a forum is set by its core members. In the atheist forum, that means atheists, not our adversaries. This is a fundamental principle of lexicography.

I know that you are extremely stubborn by nature and that it is nearly impossible for you to change your mind about anything, much less admit that you are mistaken, but it's time for you to do both. you are simply wrong about this.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#1464 May 3, 2013
Oops--context, not contest. One of my more common typos...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1465 May 3, 2013
DavidQuinn wrote:
There is no proof, and never shall be, it's a futile debate. Check out this book that is entirely free today to download for Kindle. It's about a revolutionary working-class atheist politician, the speech on atheism in the first chapter is genius. http://www.amazon.co.uk/2082-The-Chronicles-H...
Thank you-- I switched to the USA version, and got it-- I'll read it later.

Sounds quite interesting.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#1466 May 3, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt it.
How would YOU know? Clearly eBooks are beyond your meager skills...

... how sad for you. Maybe one day, you'll learn something useful.

For a change...

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