“Think&Care”

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#1100 Apr 24, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Another one asking me to prove what does not exist. Think! How can one prove what does not exist? A little Logic can be helpful.
No, I am asking you to show that everything actually does have a cause. You claim again and again that it is impossible for something to be uncaused. Justify that belief. In particular, show how QM is wrong when it explains most fundamental aspects of reality as being uncaused. If you want a specific example, provide a causal explanation for the timing of the decay of a muon.

“Think&Care”

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#1101 Apr 24, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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One thing is to claim what you have; another is to show what you claim.
Look at Bell's inequalities and the experiments that have been done that show reality violates the predictions of *any* local, causal theory.

“Think&Care”

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#1102 Apr 24, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Why should people not respect a God that created them.
If the God is evil, it doesn't deserve respect even if it did make us.
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#1103 Apr 24, 2013
Why? For the same reason many people respect abusive parents?
Carchar king wrote:
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Why should people not respect a God that created them.
Imhotep

United States

#1104 Apr 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Why should people AUTOMATICALLY respect this alleged creator?
Is the creator WORTHY of respect?
In the case of your ugly little common-terrorist god?
The answer would be a resounding NO.
Your ugly little god is unworthy of the name.
Good thing it's not real, then, isn't it?
Yes- yes it is-- your ugly god would've wiped out humanity long before now, if it was real...
Early morning observation before I've had my cup of coffee aka JOE, Cc tea 4U!

I do believe believe we have One or more car salesman. Representing,(Fantasy motors) if you will, In this and other forums.

The sales pitches are Walking around the car kicking for tires is pretty much like reading a page of the Bible . This is either either the same or rambles into the completely bizarre much like the Edsel.

Why do atheist forums attract perhaps the most ignorant uninformed people on the planet?

We certainly pose no threat to any government
The voice of intelligence reason and common is obvious, our opponents Range from the from the comedic to certifiable

Using their logic we will draw this conclusion
Comedy to Certifiable (2-'c') equal CC
CC EQUAL GREAT TEA

Enjoy your morning constant comment by coffee just arrived

;)

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#1105 Apr 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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As for YOU?
You not only cannot learn from your mistakes?
You are too blind to even SEE that you are making so many mistakes!
How sad for you-- such a wasted life you live.
Well, actually my life is great, especially after being blessed by the lord.

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#1106 Apr 25, 2013
Carchar king wrote:
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Well, actually my life is great, especially after being blessed by the lord.
faith is a mental illness

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1107 Apr 25, 2013
John K wrote:
Shibolet quantum physics is odd enough for those that work with it on a day to day basis. Einstein was basically old school classical physics, even though Relativity ushered in anew way of thinking. Einstein was still in the an older paradigm. His inability to adjust to the new paradigm is nothing to hold against him. And what we have learned in the sixty some years after his death would just blow him away if he could be here now.
If you would read Krause's book you would know that there is no such thing as NOTHING.
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Very good! I agree with Krause's book that indeed there is no such thing as nothing. Therefore there is the universe which did not cause itself into existence. Who did? We are back to square one.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1108 Apr 25, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Why should anyone respect a god that is not compassionate?
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To be compassionate is an emotion. God is not like a man to be activated by emotions. You don't have to respect God and that's not the issue here as long as we respect each other and are compassionate with our fellow man.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1109 Apr 25, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Recommending a book does not qualify as an appeal to authority--one can read the book or not, but a recommendation, in and of itself, is not an argument. as such, it cannot be a fallacy.
Logic 101
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If he recommended me the book it is because he believes and trusts the opinion of the author as to try to spread his "gospel."

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1110 Apr 25, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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When you make an assertion, logic demands that you support it.
Logic 101
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When the assertion is logical there is no need of further support.
My assertion is that something cannot cause itself into existence.
Any further attempt to support this assertion is irrelevant.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1111 Apr 25, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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Such an obvious non sequitur.
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You find this statement of mine to be a non-sequitur probably because you do not understand figure of speech.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1112 Apr 25, 2013
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>Now THAT's funny!! That's the most chickenshit excuse ever for admitting you don't have the scientific literacy to read a NYT Best Seller on Cosmology. You WANT to remain ignorant!
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An atheist in another forum used almost the same words to tell me almost the same thing about the book "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan. I got the book and I stopped reading when he - Carl Sagan - made me see the big bang as "Our modern myth of the BB." That's in page 285. I have never forgotten. Then came Lamaitre and proved that the BB at least served to confirm the origin of the universe which since Aristotle was believed to be eternal aka without beginning or end.
What an embarrassment!

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#1113 Apr 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, I am asking you to show that everything actually does have a cause. You claim again and again that it is impossible for something to be uncaused. Justify that belief. In particular, show how QM is wrong when it explains most fundamental aspects of reality as being uncaused. If you want a specific example, provide a causal explanation for the timing of the decay of a muon.
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Well, this time you will be on the right to look at me as an unlearned person because I do not know what "muon" is. Care to explain?
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#1114 Apr 25, 2013
Indeed you are.
Shibolet wrote:
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What an embarrassment!

“Think&Care”

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#1115 Apr 25, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Well, this time you will be on the right to look at me as an unlearned person because I do not know what "muon" is. Care to explain?
A muon is a subatomic particle that is in many ways similar to a very massive electron. A muon will decay into an electron and a couple of neutrinos. It has a fixed half-life, but like most decays in quantum mechanics, the exact timing of the decay is undetermined.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muon

“Think&Care”

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#1116 Apr 25, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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When the assertion is logical there is no need of further support.
My assertion is that something cannot cause itself into existence.
Any further attempt to support this assertion is irrelevant.
What we have found over time is that people *think* certain ideas are logically necessary, but in fact they are not. For example, it was 'obvious' to Aristotle that heavy things fall faster than light things. He saw that as 'logical'. The problem is that it is false.

Your problem is that you use the notion of 'cause' without defining that notion or demonstrating how it works. In practice, there are many situations where causality simply does not apply. Such situations tend to happen in the quantum realm, but they are well-established.

So, before you proceed, please give a definition of 'A causes B'. Be as clear as you can be.

Then, derive *from your definition* some useful properties of causality (such as nothing can cause itself and anything else you want to claim about the necessity of the existence of causes).

My bet is that you will be unable to do this. Why? Because causality simply doesn't work in practice.

“Think&Care”

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#1117 Apr 25, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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An atheist in another forum used almost the same words to tell me almost the same thing about the book "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan. I got the book and I stopped reading when he - Carl Sagan - made me see the big bang as "Our modern myth of the BB." That's in page 285. I have never forgotten. Then came Lamaitre and proved that the BB at least served to confirm the origin of the universe which since Aristotle was believed to be eternal aka without beginning or end.
What an embarrassment!
Why would you think it is an embarrassment? To whom? Furthermore, why do you ignore the *extensions* of Lemaitre's ideas that do NOT have an origin for the universe?
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#1120 Apr 25, 2013
http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/
Shibolet wrote:
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Well, this time you will be on the right to look at me as an unlearned person because I do not know what "muon" is. Care to explain?
Thinking

Sturminster Newton, UK

#1121 Apr 25, 2013
Same old lying cuntshit from Ben chicken tikka Masada here:

http://www.interfaith.org/forum/the-myth-of-t...
Normal Flora wrote:
<quoted text>Page 285 in Cosmos is smack in the middle of the chapter titled "The Persistence of Memory." There is no mention on that page or in that chapter about the Big Bang. I happen to be a fan of Carl Sagan, and I have most of his books in my study within an arm's reach of my chair. Your pathetic attempt at disparaging a great mind of Cosmology has revealed you once again as a lying POS!!

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