KJV

United States

#837 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Then?

Your god is 100% fiction-- if he is neither matter nor energy?

He cannot exist!

QED.
Setting rules from your fish bowl again.
KJV

United States

#838 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>Everything in the universe IS made of matter and energy.

If your god is neither of these?

Your god is not >>OF<< the universe.

It may as well not exist, then--!

It really is that simple.

If your god >>IS<< >>of<< the universe?(able to interact with it) then your god MUST BE MATTER/ENERGY.

It really IS that simple.

(I have another bowl of popcorn, to watch you squirm around this one)
My God made the universe he's not part of if. Are you really this dense?

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#839 Apr 17, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
I see you quoting Einstein.
Are you claiming there was nothing before time started?
Nothing temporal

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#840 Apr 17, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Setting rules from your fish bowl again.
This is still valid:

Proof your god isn't real: I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#841 Apr 17, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
My God made the universe he's not part of if. Are you really this dense?
Impossible. In any case?

This is still valid:

Proof your god isn't real: I submit... the sum-total of YOUR UGLY POSTS.

Especially the ones in which you ridicule and belittle others you perceive to not be in your tight little club.

Now. Presuming this "god" of yours is an actual... divine being?

Then we may expect that this god is interested in Divine levels of Justice, and equally Divine levels of Goodness?

The proof runs like this: what god, who was truly interested in both Justice and Good, would permit the likes of ...

... YOU ...

... to be It's spokes-person, it's missionary to people who do NOT believe in It?

Answer:

No god who was GOOD or JUST would suffer the likes of YOU.

There you have it!

Irrefutable proof, that your god is not real.

(too easy)
Imhotep

United States

#842 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd be happy to entertain your hypothesis.
First?
You must SHOW YOUR WORK-- let's see the PROOF of your argument(s).
Hint: your bible is not sufficient proof--it's fatally flawed, as such can be simply dismissed out of hand. A book from a REAL god? Would be divine. The bible simply isn't.
So-- get busy-- lets see your...
.... "truth".
(I've got a bowl of popcorn at the ready)
Is that Orval Redenbacher's white or is it movie theater or is it buttered?

You'll need all three I suggest a case of brewskis

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#843 Apr 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that Orval Redenbacher's white or is it movie theater or is it buttered?
You'll need all three I suggest a case of brewskis
Indeed I will-- one bag/bowl won't cover the comedy.

:)

I think for drink, though, I'll stick to iced tea-- Constant Comment, at the moment, but I have some lovely loose-leaf Lipton's brewing up even now.

(I'm nearly done with the CC... amazing stuff)
Imhotep

United States

#844 Apr 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed I will-- one bag/bowl won't cover the comedy.
:)
I think for drink, though, I'll stick to iced tea-- Constant Comment, at the moment, but I have some lovely loose-leaf Lipton's brewing up even now.
(I'm nearly done with the CC... amazing stuff)
CC is good? No Tetley or Earl Grey?

I'm not much of a drinker myself either
Never really cared for the buzz or the terrible day after

I do find cannabis to be rather stimulating, Entertaining and relaxing.

It has been part of my daily regimen for over 40 years. ;)

More from my favorite satirist

~~\\\\||||
~~(@@)
oOo--O--oOo--
NO INFORMATION FOUND ON CNN

BOSTON (The Borowitz Report)—Authorities who have spent the past forty-eight hours combing CNN in the hopes of finding any information whatsoever have called off their search, they confirmed today.

“After monitoring every minute of CNN’s broadcast since Monday, we have found hearsay, rumors, falsehoods, and a steady stream of inane commentary,” one authority said.“Everything but information.”

The announcement was the second black eye today for CNN, which earlier in the afternoon recanted all of its reporting dating back to mid-2009.

Newly installed CNN chief Jeff Zucker acknowledged that the network had experienced “a rough patch” since he took over earlier this year, but added,“At least no one was watching.”
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#845 Apr 18, 2013
That sort of act generally does well on your coasts, not so well inland.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I have not had the honor of seeing him live, all my experience has been YouTube.
Alas. I suspect he's not that popular in 'Murrica...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#846 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok so I'll try and state this in a more correct manner.
Was there anything when there was no time?
No.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#847 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
So your claim is that before there was time there might still have been Multi-verses?
No, that is not my claim. Please read more carefully. Part of the problem is a slight confusion in the word 'universe'. The ways scientists use that word today, it generally means only the stuff after the Big Bang. If there is other stuff in existence, that would be part of a multiverse.

There are three main scenarios:

1. Our universe is all there is. In this case, time started about 13.7 billion years ago. It is literally meaningless to talk about 13.8 billion years ago. Since causality requires time, it is also meaningless to talk about the 'cause' of our universe. This, by the way, is the classical Big Bang scenario.

2. There was a previous, contracting universe before ours. In this case, time extends infinitely into the past. The Big Bang is actually a Big Bounce between a contraction phase and our current expansion phase. In this situation, we could say our universe is caused by the previous one. Also, in this scenario, there has always been matter, energy, time and some sort of universe. This, by the way, is the scenario of Loop Quantum Gravity.

3. There is a multiverse with many universes. In this case, time is also infinite into the past and there was always time, matter, and energy. The Big Bang is then just our universe 'budding off' the main multiverse, a process that happens with other universes also. This is the scenario suggested by String Theory.

Now, we do not know which of these scenarios actually is the case. Part of the problem is that we can only, at this point, get data from our own universe, so cases 2 and 3 remain highly speculative. On the other hand, scenario 1 relies on classical general relativity and does not use a theory of quantum gravity (which would be important in the very early stages of the expansion, bounce, and/or budding process).

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#848 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Is your god made of matter or energy? Or both?
Nether, he created energy and matter and space. He is made of none of that.
Then please provide some evidence that such a thing actually exists! This would be *very* interesting to physicists! Something not made of matter or energy! Bring it on!

But please provide evidence that is good enough to actually establish the existence of something not made of matter or energy.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#849 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
So time is 13.7 billion years old, not the universe?
*sigh* In the scenario where the universe is 13.7 billion years old and there is no multiverse or previous contracting universe, then time also began 13.7 billion years ago.

Whenever there was time, there was matter and energy. The way the term 'our universe' is typically used, it only refers to the current expansion phase. If that is all there is, then even talking about 13.8 billion years ago is meaningless.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#850 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
My God made the universe he's not part of if. Are you really this dense?
Yes, we understand your claim. Now *prove* that there is something outside of the universe. Under *your* definition, the universe is 'all there is--all existence'. In that case, nothing can exist outside of the universe, by definition.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#851 Apr 18, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok so I'll try and state this in a more correct manner.
I'd suggest you stop typing.(evil grin)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#852 Apr 18, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, we understand your claim. Now *prove* that there is something outside of the universe. Under *your* definition, the universe is 'all there is--all existence'. In that case, nothing can exist outside of the universe, by definition.
This was pointed out to him on another thread. If his God thingy exists, whether there's a multiverse or just one universe, this God must be in it.

Instead we found out that KJV accepts and dismisses definitions as and when he sees fit.(shrug)
Lincoln

United States

#853 Apr 18, 2013
So far no scientific proof of atheism.
We do see agnostics-atheists whatever, complaining when others post on their sacred threads.
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#854 Apr 18, 2013
Are you saying Atheism doesn't exist?
Lincoln wrote:
So far no scientific proof of atheism.
We do see agnostics-atheists whatever, complaining when others post on their sacred threads.
Lincoln

United States

#855 Apr 18, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Are you saying Atheism doesn't exist?
<quoted text>
Atheism has being around since the Greeks thousands of year ago. It is a good philosophy, with limited proof?

Do you still have mandated prayer in public, tax supported schools, by Law in the UK.

I am refering to this:

School Standards and Framework Act 1998 states that all pupils in state schools must take part in a daily act of collective worship, unless their parents request that they be excused from attending. The majority of these acts of collective worship are required to be "wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character", with two exceptions:

* Religious schools, which should provide worship appropriate to the school's religion (although most religious schools in the UK are Christian.)
* Schools where the Local Education Authority's Standing Advisory Council on Religious Education has determined that Christian worship would not be appropriate for part or all of the school.
Amused

Salem, MA

#856 Apr 18, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
...
(I have another bowl of popcorn, to watch you squirm around this one)
To paraphrase the sheriff from Jaws, "You're gonna need a bigger bowl." This is going to take much longer than the time it takes the average guy to eat an average-sized bowl of popcorn.

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