A Proof That God Exists

“Think&Care”

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#511 Apr 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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The Law of Identity is one of the 3 fundamental laws of logic.(No, don't even try to understand it)
Causality does not require time; before expansion there was time.
Wrong. Under the simplest form of the Big Bang, time and the expansion are co-existent.
There are no uncaused events at the quantum level.
Please define causality in such a way that this is true. Most quantum events are probabilistic: they are not determined by their past. That rules out most definitions of causality.

“Think&Care”

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#512 Apr 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Then there would be a cause. What is the cause of the particles and energy?
Particles and energy are NOT nothing.
You are trying to claim "something from something" is "something from nothing".
The 'no something from nothing' argument is essentially a conservation argument: usually conservation of mass/energy. What this ignores is that gravitational energy (curvature of spacetime) is *negative* and exactly cancels out the positive energy from matter and radiation. In other words, the energy of the universe balances to *zero*.
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#513 Apr 11, 2013
Non sequitur but... this is a pretty cool demonstration of distances huge and tiny. Holding the left or right keys can be quite mesmerising.

http://www.primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_un...
polymath257 wrote:
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The 'no something from nothing' argument is essentially a conservation argument: usually conservation of mass/energy. What this ignores is that gravitational energy (curvature of spacetime) is *negative* and exactly cancels out the positive energy from matter and radiation. In other words, the energy of the universe balances to *zero*.

Since: Dec 10

Fogelsville, PA

#514 Apr 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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"Atheism"; from the Greek "atheos" - no god.
‘Atheism’ means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.
-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Atheism: a + theos, denying god,(Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology).
Put that in your pipe and smoke it, idiot.
What happened to "A belief that there is no god".

Well, I guess THAT BS went away. It's ok Buck-tooth, we don't expect consistancy from an idiot like you.

Since: Dec 10

Fogelsville, PA

#515 Apr 11, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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You are a liar.
There is much evidence. Some has been presented here.
It is not conclusive. But it is evidence.
You are not susceptible to evidence, because you are incapable of critical thought. You are also a liar, so the thought would not help the discussion even if you were capable.
More goofy bullshit from the godbot.

If you have evidence, present it. Otherwise shut up, and let the adults alone.

I have seen what you call evidence. It's not even close. It's wishful thinking at best.

“Think&Care”

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#516 Apr 11, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Yeah Centipede that was the one I was looking for forgot I think that other one that we both forgotten might have been called something like space invaders missile command because all you did was defend yourself under constant barrage of attacks from above sliding back and forth
Populous I don't remember
Back in the day i had very small SX 55 IBM computer with Windows 3.1 on it and the most popular game in the office at that time was 'leisure suit Larry'
Also Wolfenstein I think
Like the old song it's been a long long time ;)
You were late to the game, I see. I played Centipede in the arcades long before it came out on PCs. Wasted way too many quarters in those silly shops during the early 80's. I preferred Joust, though. And Eyes.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#517 Apr 11, 2013
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed, I just didn't think that buck would accept a quantum field where virtual particle can and do appear as nothing. It is very interesting stuff, though, I agree. Boggles the mind.
Well, there is a whole class of events, that Buck won't accept.

It's usually referred to as...

... reality.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#518 Apr 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Reality could give a flying shit what Buck accepts!
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Exactly.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#519 Apr 11, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Never played Angry Birds. Space Penguins is an educational flash-based game which can be found easy online.
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Just about, played that when I was a nipper.
Thanks, I'll give it a look-see. Sounds like it'd be amusing for a bit.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#520 Apr 11, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Outstanding Robert I had no idea that you wrote computer programs I've done this for over 30 years IBM Only.
Languages COBOL RPG assembler C C++
Java, Sequel
IBM has advanced RPG to a science it interfaces with every language
AS/400's are the principal servers of Internet
worldwide
Back in the 80's, I took quite a number of computer classes when I was at university. It was the hey-day of punch-cards, massively overpriced main-frames and terminals were but a humble fantasy in the minds of programmers everywhere.

Shortly after that, my dad & I started on a 17 year odyssey of our own business, writing a custom program for the then-active small business oil and gas exploration.

We used compiled BASIC for a variety of reasons-- both of us had several different programming languages under our collective belts, and were rather annoyed with the "eleet-speak" style of coding that most represented. Basic literally documented itself (as does COBOL, but at the time, there wasn't a good COBOL language for PCs, nor for PL1... a reasonable one for FORTRAN, but neither of us really wanted to use it).

We purchased IBM's compiled BASIC, v1.0 and all the subsequent updates for our little experiment. The thing we both liked about BASIC, was that you could test your code immediately-- snippets even. It was easily possible to test subroutines outside of the main code, with a bit of cleverness. We quickly formulated a set of common rules, based on the restrictions of compiled basic, that we followed throughout.

It was fun, exhilarating and sometimes nasty, those years. I'd not trade them for anything. At the very end, we were working in Visual Basic, having dropped IBM in favor of Microsoft's products along the way.

Those were the days, as they say. But burn-out, my dad finally retiring, and other factors-- I'm not in programming any longer. And I only miss it out of nostalgia.

:)

(we both evaluated "C" and both agreed it was a horrid idea, even at the time.... <heh> )
Lincoln

United States

#521 Apr 11, 2013
In any militant atheist group where Jack's Law applies, a paradox exists where one person sufficiently militant is likely to be so ridiculous and repetitive that he risks being rejected as a parody.

Green Eggs and Ham

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#522 Apr 11, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Yeah Centipede that was the one I was looking for forgot I think that other one that we both forgotten might have been called something like space invaders missile command because all you did was defend yourself under constant barrage of attacks from above sliding back and forth
Populous I don't remember
Back in the day i had very small SX 55 IBM computer with Windows 3.1 on it and the most popular game in the office at that time was 'leisure suit Larry'
Also Wolfenstein I think
Like the old song it's been a long long time ;)
Space Invaders was the name-- I remember it vividly, now. There was even an Atari version-- remember those consoles?:D

My dad and I started our business back in the early 80's, and purchased a pair of original IBMs... one floppy disk drive each. And single-sided, single-density 5.25" floppies cost $10/each....

... I learned how to assemble those early beige boxes pretty quickly-- it was akin to Tinker-Toys to me. For several years, we each had a dual-floppy setup; the 2nd one was indispensable for writing your data/programs to. The first was your OS disk, plus any utilities.

Edlin was the programming interface-- no problem, both my dad and myself were used to line editors-- superior in many ways to the punch-cards we both had started on. <heh>

I well remember the first 10 megabyte hard disks-- luxury! We stubbornly kept the dual-floppy setup too, as that was what we were used to by then. And anyway, you needed a bootstrap disk to get things going....
.... heh...

Aaaah, those were the days.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#523 Apr 11, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
Also Wolfenstein I think
Like the old song it's been a long long time ;)
My first shooter game would've been a clone of DOOM. I did purchase DOOM 2, though. Never did get Wolfinstein until "Return to Castle Wolfinstein" came out.

Aaaah, the heady days of 8-bit graphics....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#524 Apr 11, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
Please define causality in such a way that this is true. Most quantum events are probabilistic: they are not determined by their past. That rules out most definitions of causality.
Yes, which is why your average fundie cannot begin to comprehend even the most basic notions of Quantum Physics.

It simply isn't "natural" nor does it correspond to your typical macro-world events.

Which is why most True Believers™ simply dismiss it out of hand-- or worse, substitute a weird garbage version that does not correspond to anything out side of their imaginations.

Not unlike their gods, come to think of it.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#525 Apr 11, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Non sequitur but... this is a pretty cool demonstration of distances huge and tiny. Holding the left or right keys can be quite mesmerising.
http://www.primaxstudio.com/stuff/scale_of_un...
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Oh, now that one is NICE-- it's all user-controlled by a slider.

I thought you were going to point to the classic film (or one of it's derivatives) that used to run in the Smithsonian back in the day.

Here's one version: " http://youtu.be/0fKBhvDjuy0" ;

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#526 Apr 11, 2013
The serpent was right wrote:
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More goofy bullshit from the godbot.
If you have evidence, present it. Otherwise shut up, and let the adults alone.
I have seen what you call evidence. It's not even close. It's wishful thinking at best.
Is not, upon close inspection, all religion based entirely on wishful thinking?

:)
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#527 Apr 11, 2013
Despite its age, that's still a good video.

I remember seeing an animated one with someone in a boat with a mosquito on his wrist as the pivot point between large and small.
I don't think there was any speaking involved. Ring any bells?
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Oh, now that one is NICE-- it's all user-controlled by a slider.
I thought you were going to point to the classic film (or one of it's derivatives) that used to run in the Smithsonian back in the day.
Here's one version: " http://youtu.be/0fKBhvDjuy0" ;
:)

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#528 Apr 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Yes, which is why your average fundie cannot begin to comprehend even the most basic notions of Quantum Physics.
It simply isn't "natural" nor does it correspond to your typical macro-world events.
Which is why most True Believers™ simply dismiss it out of hand-- or worse, substitute a weird garbage version that does not correspond to anything out side of their imaginations.
Not unlike their gods, come to think of it.
:)
I've yet to see them deal effectively with the fact that some particles have more than one decay mode: the *exact same particle* can decay in two different ways. There is no difference 'just before' the decay that determines which type of decay it will undergo.
Thinking

Bolton, UK

#529 Apr 11, 2013
Found it Bob - Cosmic Zoom. Far less informative than the 1977 video but it made an impression.

Thinking wrote:
Despite its age, that's still a good video.
I remember seeing an animated one with someone in a boat with a mosquito on his wrist as the pivot point between large and small.
I don't think there was any speaking involved. Ring any bells?
<quoted text>
Imhotep

Parrish, FL

#530 Apr 11, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Space Invaders was the name-- I remember it vividly, now. There was even an Atari version-- remember those consoles?:D
My dad and I started our business back in the early 80's, and purchased a pair of original IBMs... one floppy disk drive each. And single-sided, single-density 5.25" floppies cost $10/each....
... I learned how to assemble those early beige boxes pretty quickly-- it was akin to Tinker-Toys to me. For several years, we each had a dual-floppy setup; the 2nd one was indispensable for writing your data/programs to. The first was your OS disk, plus any utilities.
Edlin was the programming interface-- no problem, both my dad and myself were used to line editors-- superior in many ways to the punch-cards we both had started on. <heh>
I well remember the first 10 megabyte hard disks-- luxury! We stubbornly kept the dual-floppy setup too, as that was what we were used to by then. And anyway, you needed a bootstrap disk to get things going....
.... heh...
Aaaah, those were the days.
Well seems like you've had quite a bit of computer experience

I learned Fortran too that was a real number cruncher
for COBOL (Completely outdated by other languages) 100 lines of code in RPG about 30 in Fortran 12 all to do the same task

IBM basically produced screen scrapers to produce a Windows or Apple appearance but the machinery behind all of it is RPG ILE

Black and green screen all the way

RPG includes embedded SQL and Java

Not to mention IBM's stunning Big Blue program that defeated the Russian grandmasters and chest and the one they recently used on Jeopardy artificial intelligence has come along way baby

Oddly artificial intelligence defines all of our theist posters. ;)

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