“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#448 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Because EVERYTHING must have a cause!

Except God.

Just because.

So there.

OKAY?!?

Good.
... it's... it's ... The LAW, dammit!

Right?

Because >>they<< insist on it.

;)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#449 Apr 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I always found those thought-experiments to be fascinating.
Especially the ones proposed for spaceships orbiting closely around super-big black holes.
Amusing aside - by chance one time I managed to get my spacecraft into a perfect infinite orbit around multiple gravity wells on Space Penguins.

:-)

Until the universe collapsed that is.(I turned the game off)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#450 Apr 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I just love it how Fundies keep fabricating these magical Laws Of The Universe And Everything.
As if they were ... a god or something....
... LMAO!
Oh, Curtis went so far as to say he was a 'superior being' who knew 'absolute truth' despite his claims that his "law" of non-contradiction meant that all humans are equal. Although that still doesn't come close to Shoobee equating himself with Jesus.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#451 Apr 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You mean the one between his ears?
NO! By FSM, no. Of all of them I definitely do NOT mean that one between his ears. That's all solid bone.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#452 Apr 10, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
The serpent was right wrote:
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But, acceptance in the BB is not required for atheism.
At it's core, atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god. My 13 year old son is an atheist. He knows very little about the BB theory. That doesn't make him less of an atheist.
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Wrong, Serp.
Atheism is the belief that their is no god.
The "lack of belief" you allude to would be an agnostic, or a dog, or a rock.
My dog is not an atheist. Yes, he eats his own shit, which is only anecdotal evidence of atheism.
Incorrect. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Agnosticism says that there 'may' be a god, but we cannot know. Again, your ignorance of even the most basic terminology doesn't surprise me. you have never impress anyone with your smarts.

Although your dog probably eats his shit after he licks your face, because he finds the taste of shit the more preferable of the two, it really has nothing to do with atheism. But hey, I would love to know how you know which god your dog believes in!!

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#454 Apr 10, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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PS - show me some of this alleged "persuasive logic".
I haven't seen any here.
That's an easy one. To date there has been no evidence that there is a god. Therefore it would be logical to conclude that no god exists.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#455 Apr 10, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Perhaps because you do not understand that humans enjoy the attribute of spirituality which the irrational animal doesn't. Give yourself the credit to be human and learn how to use that attribute too.
That was a nice attempt to dodge the comment.
Thanks for admitting your lack of an answer.

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#456 Apr 10, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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I have explained this for more than several times but preconceived
notion won't allow you to understand.
Please reference the post(s) where you have explained how non-matter can produce matter.(Hint: useing words like "abbra cadabbra" don't count)

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#457 Apr 10, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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You want a visible proof to satisty the eyes of your flesh. Use your mind for a change.
Yes, keep running. It is most amusing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#458 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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Amusing aside - by chance one time I managed to get my spacecraft into a perfect infinite orbit around multiple gravity wells on Space Penguins.
:-)
Until the universe collapsed that is.(I turned the game off)
I'm not familiar with that one, but I presume it's akin to Angry Birds in Space?(I played that last a bit, before it crashed my tablet & got deleted.... it's since been updated, but I never bothered to go back)

In ABIS, there are gravity spots on the screen which you can sometimes get objects to orbit.

Virtual games are amusing. Do you remember a wire-frame one, circa late 1980's, that featured a Lunar Lander? That one was amusing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#459 Apr 10, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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NO! By FSM, no. Of all of them I definitely do NOT mean that one between his ears. That's all solid bone.
LOL!

Since: Dec 10

Orefield, PA

#460 Apr 10, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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And yours is less than poor. Where did the matter that caused
the BB come from. It could not have been always there and could not
have caused itself into existence.
I will ask again, as you seem unable to answer the question....

Please explain how non-matter created matter. This is YOUR claim. As I mentioned before, atheism does NOT require acceptance of the BB.
Imhotep

Stuart, FL

#461 Apr 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I'm not familiar with that one, but I presume it's akin to Angry Birds in Space?(I played that last a bit, before it crashed my tablet & got deleted.... it's since been updated, but I never bothered to go back)
In ABIS, there are gravity spots on the screen which you can sometimes get objects to orbit.
Virtual games are amusing. Do you remember a wire-frame one, circa late 1980's, that featured a Lunar Lander? That one was amusing.
Leisure suit Larry
Frogger
Tetris
PacMan

Olde PC games

forgot name but it had like a caterpillar on the screen and then there was another one where you defended a constant attack from above but I don't remember the names the games
Lincoln

United States

#462 Apr 10, 2013
Many aspects of life depends on faith.

Since: May 10

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#463 Apr 10, 2013
The serpent was right wrote:
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Incorrect. Atheism is not a belief. It is a lack of belief. Agnosticism says that there 'may' be a god, but we cannot know. Again, your ignorance of even the most basic terminology doesn't surprise me. you have never impress anyone with your smarts.
Although your dog probably eats his shit after he licks your face, because he finds the taste of shit the more preferable of the two, it really has nothing to do with atheism. But hey, I would love to know how you know which god your dog believes in!!
"Atheism"; from the Greek "atheos" - no god.

ĎAtheismí means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.

-Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

Atheism: a + theos, denying god,(Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology).

Put that in your pipe and smoke it, idiot.

Since: May 10

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#464 Apr 10, 2013
The serpent was right wrote:
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That's an easy one. To date there has been no evidence that there is a god. Therefore it would be logical to conclude that no god exists.
You are a liar.

There is much evidence. Some has been presented here.

It is not conclusive. But it is evidence.

You are not susceptible to evidence, because you are incapable of critical thought. You are also a liar, so the thought would not help the discussion even if you were capable.

Since: May 10

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#465 Apr 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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There are actually three possibilities, depending on how the very early universe works.
1. Time began at the Big Bang. There was no 'before' the Big Bang, so no matter before and no causality of the Big Bang.
2. There was a previous, contracting universe before ours. This has some issues with the definition of a 'universe', but in this situation, there was matter before the Big Bang and causality continues infinitely into the future. The Big Bang theory, as presently seen, only applies after the 'bounce' between the contraction and the expansion phases.
3. There is a multi-verse from which our universe 'buds off' or exists as a small portion of the larger. Time in this context can either exist only within universes, or it can exist for the multi-verse as a whole. In the former case (time only inside of universes), the universe is uncaused (being a quantum effect). In the second case (time exists for the multi-verse), the universe could either be caused or uncaused depending on the particulars.
Once again, you have made a basic mistake. You say that something cannot cause itself (which is true). You deduce that something else must have caused it. But you neglect the possibility that it is simply not caused by *anything*(including itself).
Why must the universe have a cause? For that matter, why must all matter have a cause? You have consistently failed to address this question, which is vital to your argument. Also, how is it possible to have the cause of a physical thing be non-physical in spite of *all* evidence?
1. Wrong. Even if there was no time before the BB, it requires a cause. It could not cause itself. The cause could be independent of time (eternal?) but it still had to exist.

2. Wrong. The multiverse only moves the same question to a more regressed position, as in what caused the multiverse? It cannot extend infinitely into the past, because infinite time can never be traversed and the present time could never occur. The existence of the present proves there is no infinite multiverse.

3. Wrong. Again, your error is allowing for the uncaused universe or multiverse, or an uncaused anything which would require infinite past time, as in the multiverse or the "anything" always existing. This is impossible.

If the universe exists, it had to begin to exist.(there can be no infinite past)

Any thing which begins to exist is required to have a cause.

Therefore, the universe has a cause.

What is the cause? Nobody knows.

Since: May 10

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#466 Apr 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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So the existence of time is dependent on the existence of matter. Since causlity requires the existence of time (causes are previous to effects), causality depends on the existence of matter. Hence, we cannot have a 'cause' for all matter.
Wrong. Causality does not require the existence of time.

Time itself had to be caused. You are mis-using "previous" as taken from a universe time perspective and applying it to a different perspective where the time and the "previous" do not apply.

You employ a logical fallacy of assuming the antecedent.

Since: May 10

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#467 Apr 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I understand the *claim* that humans have a spiritual attribute, but I have seen no evidence to support this claim. Rationality is not a 'spiritual attribute'. It is simply a way of reasoning done by the physical brain. ALL evidence demonstrates this.
Wrong. "ALL evidence" does not indicate this.

All the evidence you care to consider indicates such.

Dr. Eben Alexandar, neurosurgeon and neuroendocrinologist presents considerable evidence to the contrary. He is far from the first or only scientist to theorize so.

But again, you couldn't care less about evidence, unless it confirms what you already believe.

Since: May 10

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#468 Apr 10, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Oops, I meant to say it continues infinite into the *past*.
Impossible and stupid.

Tell me. If something extends infinite into the past, how long would it take to arrive at the present moment?

Answer: It never could.

After traversing 1 million years to the exponent of the largest number that could be written by a million human beings all working together, the "infinite past" thing would be no closer to the present moment than when it started.

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