A Proof That God Exists

Since: Feb 13

El Monte, CA

#22 Apr 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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You don't get out much, do you?
You assume that if we cannot immediately identify the cause of the universe, it MAGICALLY IS YOUR GOD?
Wow... just.. wow.
Look up false dichotomy.
In any case? The cause of the universes' beginning could easily have been from another universe.
Prove that is impossible.
Show your work.
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I don't have to prove what I agree with. It indeed could have been from another universe. And by the same token, a universe that did not create itself; what puts us back to the evidence for the existence of a divine Creator. Did you think you could go free from
this that easy? Think again!
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#23 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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You ain't seen nothing yet.
Know GOD?
"Know" nothing.
No GOD?
No Problem...

2 easy questions!

Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot.

Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs.

It is the 21st century... you know its a myth...;-)

Since: Feb 13

El Monte, CA

#24 Apr 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your arrogance is without limit:
You actually believe that the Ultimate Cause of the entire Universe?
Has a close personal relationship with.... you.
Wow.
That level of arrogance is usually reserved for megalomaniacs.
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You talking about arrogance! That's hilarious! I have never met a more arrogant group of people than atheists. I have never implied that the Creator of the universe would ever strike a personal relationship with me considering that He is not like a man to get into a personal relationship with another. But I can strike a personal relationship with Him if you can understand how this concept works. But I don't believe you can because your idea of God
is too anthropomorphic just like the common theist who believes in talking serpents. And with regards to being megalomaniac the worst ever in the History of the world was an atheist aka Joseph Stalin.

Since: Feb 13

El Monte, CA

#25 Apr 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Promises, promises.
You True Believers™ promise us the moon.
But what you deliver is less than moldy cheese...
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Well, you aren't ready for the moon yet. The moon here is solid food for those who have grown up. You are still just a baby to get
into the esoteric understanding of yourself.

Since: Feb 13

El Monte, CA

#26 Apr 2, 2013
Thinking wrote:
You could help close the gap by raising your reasoning standards a bit.
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Too early to raise my reasoning standards. You are still not ready
for solid food. Thus I have no choice but to feed you milk.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#27 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
A PROOF THAT GOD EXISTS.
According to Moses Maimonides, a Philosopher, Theologian and Medical Doctor in his book "The Guide for the Perplexed," there would be no need for a Creator if the universe was eternal, I mean without beginning or end. In other words, God would not exist.
That would not follow. The lack of need does not imply the non-existence.
However, if the universe did have a beginning, God by necessity would exist.
Another unproved assertion.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#28 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Probably because if the universe had a beginning after all and something can never be the creator of itself, the only way out was
to embrance the divine Creator.
Ben
And that would be a logical mistake. Why could not the universe itself be uncaused?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#29 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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I don't have to prove what I agree with. It indeed could have been from another universe. And by the same token, a universe that did not create itself; what puts us back to the evidence for the existence of a divine Creator. Did you think you could go free from
this that easy? Think again!
How, exactly is a universe that did not create itself evidence of a divine creator?

Since: Feb 13

El Monte, CA

#30 Apr 2, 2013
CunningLinguist wrote:
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Know GOD?
"Know" nothing.
No GOD?
No Problem...
2 easy questions!
Provide evidence that your God is the only true God in a way that religions other than yours cannot.
Provide evidence that your holy book is true in a way that religions other than yours cannot do with theirs.
It is the 21st century... you know its a myth...;-)
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God is not He Who causes your problems but yourself. We have been granted with freewill and God does not intervene with that. So do not blame God for anyone's problems.

Wait for the proofs. We have just begun. I know you cannot provide proof for the BB. That's why I am not asking. So, lets us reserve the proofs for when no more evidences are needed.

Regarding my holy book, once Napoleon Bonaparte asked a subaltern for a single evidence that the Bible is true. "The Jews your majesty." That answer was perhaps what influenced him to suggest the Jews to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple with the French
financial help. But the Jewish exile had not been over yet. The same goes for an evidence of the only true God: The Jews CL. Read about them and what they have done to make of this wold a better place for all to live.

Yes, it is the 21st Century and even the BB has been considered a myth by Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos" page 285. "Our modern myth." Embarrassing isn't it?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#31 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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He would not be the Primal Cause of the Philosophers if He had been
created.
Irrelevant. The philosophers have not shown the existence of a Primal Cause.

There are several options:

1. An infinite sequence of causes. This could even happen in a finite duration of time. For example, if each previous cause takes half the time of the current one.

2. More than one uncaused cause. There is no reason to assume simply one. In fact, there is no reason to assume only finitely many.

3. An uncaused event that is not 'divine'. In fact, many physical events are uncaused.

4. An uncaused event that has no 'mind'. Again, in fact, many physical events are of this type.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#32 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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God is not He Who causes your problems but yourself. We have been granted with freewill and God does not intervene with that. So do not blame God for anyone's problems.
I do not blame God for any of my problems. I do not believe there *is* a God. I no more blame God than I blame the tooth fairy.

You claimed to have a proof of the existence of God. Instead you gave an old, easily refuted argument.
Wait for the proofs. We have just begun. I know you cannot provide proof for the BB. That's why I am not asking. So, lets us reserve the proofs for when no more evidences are needed.
But I can show that the universe is expanding and has been doing so for the last 13.7 billion years. I can also show that it was once much hotter and denser and that nuclear reactions were happening everywhere. I can also show that the characteristics of the expansion follow the predictions of the LCDM theory, which is the modern version of the Big Bang model. We know this model is good back to less than one nanosecond into the current expansion phase. And *that* is what the Big Bang theory says.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#33 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
Yes, it is the 21st Century and even the BB has been considered a myth by Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos" page 285. "Our modern myth." Embarrassing isn't it?
Not at all. If you had actually *read* what Sagan was saying instead of the distorted versions told to you by your feeders, you would know that Sagan wasn't saying what you claim.
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#34 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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God is not He Who causes your problems but yourself. We have been granted with freewill and God does not intervene with that. So do not blame God for anyone's problems.
Wait for the proofs. We have just begun. I know you cannot provide proof for the BB. That's why I am not asking. So, lets us reserve the proofs for when no more evidences are needed.
Regarding my holy book, once Napoleon Bonaparte asked a subaltern for a single evidence that the Bible is true. "The Jews your majesty." That answer was perhaps what influenced him to suggest the Jews to return to Israel and rebuild the Temple with the French
financial help. But the Jewish exile had not been over yet. The same goes for an evidence of the only true God: The Jews CL. Read about them and what they have done to make of this wold a better place for all to live.
Yes, it is the 21st Century and even the BB has been considered a myth by Carl Sagan in his book "Cosmos" page 285. "Our modern myth." Embarrassing isn't it?
Free Will? Nonsense!

The problem is that the gift of salvation as taught in the Bible is anything but free.

It first requires that you perform a work. That work is believing Jesus is your Savior and that only he can serve as your intermediary with God.

Of course it also means that you accept all the baggage that goes along with that.

It means you accept as truth that this "God" will punish people for the "sin" of disbelief(Mark 16:16, John 3:18, John 3:36, Heb 3:12, 1 John 2:22), it requires that you worship a God who will provide infinite punishment for finite sins, and it requires that you accept a God with the behavior of a rather manipulative, power hungry, petty tyrant.

It means you must abandon your mind to save your soul. You must confess Jesus is your Lord and worship him as such.
That act is a "work" in itself. Faith is also a work.

Make no mistake concerning the actual nature of this so-called "free" gift.

Salvation is exchanged for worship and it's nothing more than a holy barter system where you say the magic words and you are saved. On the surface it's cheap, easy, and painless. It appeals to anyone who doesn't want to be burdened with thinking for themselves, but it's in no sense "free".

This form of holy fire insurance is nothing more than false advertising and should be treated with the same regard one would have when he opens a box of Cracker Jacks and digs out the cheap trinket that came as a "free" gift when you purchased the box it came in.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#35 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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He would not be the Primal Cause of the Philosophers if He had been
created.
Really?

So Harry Potter couldn't have killed Voldermort unless Harry Potter was ... real?

LMAO!

That IS EXACTLY the same "logic" you just used...!

Too funny!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#36 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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This proves the fact that if something cannot have caused itself it
constitutes an evidence for the existence of a divine Creator.
So.

By your own logic? Your god cannot possibly exist: who can "cause" god?

LMAO! Too funny again! You are a literal laugh-riot.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#37 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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You are as dense as you think I am. I have said this here more than
several times that if God was created it would be an evidence rather that He was not God. Light it up!
Question: were is the evidence of your god?

Hmmmm?

LMAO!

That's right: you don't have ANY.

Therefore? Your god isn't real.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#38 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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I don't have to prove what I agree with.
Of course not-- you lack the requisite skills in any case.
Shibolet wrote:
It indeed could have been from another universe. And by the same token, a universe that did not create itself; what puts us back to the evidence for the existence of a divine Creator. Did you think you could go free from
this that easy? Think again!
Nope. As the old saying goes? It's universes all the way down-- that universe came from yet another universe which came from yet another--- out to an infinity of universes.

No god needed.

LOL!

I see your inability to reason holds true.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#39 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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You talking about arrogance!
Correct. YOU have the most arrogant attidude it is possible to have.

YOU presume that this Ultimate Creator ONLY talked to YOU, and YOU ALONE.

And cannot possibly have talked to ... me (for example).

That right there?

That: that is why you are an egocentric maniac.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#40 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Well, you aren't ready for the moon yet. The moon here is solid food for those who have grown up. You are still just a baby to get
into the esoteric understanding of yourself.
But you seem to be promising the moon-- but you don't even deliver the moldy cheese you pretend it's made of.

Yeah-- I had to explain it to you, as you were too dense to get it the first time around.

But your arrogance is showing AGAIN:

You presume to have "magical knowledge" concerning an Ultimate Creator-- and YOU ALONE.

And that this "magical knowledge" cannot possibly be passed to someone such as I.

Too funny-- you just cannot HELP yourself but to be arrogant....

... must be your giant selfish ego.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#41 Apr 2, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Too early to raise my reasoning standards. You are still not ready
for solid food. Thus I have no choice but to feed you milk.
Your arrogance is showing.

Again.

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