Ralph Reed: The Bible opposes immigration

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“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#1 Feb 19, 2013
These old white, xtian men must know they are no longer majorities, but they continue to use whatever unreasonable means necessary to hold on to power. Here they are trying to insert new stuff into their buybull to be used with politics for anti-immigration. How many times in the past have they tried to use their interpretations of their buybull to discriminate against others and eventually fail? That's insanity and being mental.

From the article in Salon:

http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/can_the_bible...

"Ralph Reed’s op-ed in USA Today is a good example of the limitations of relying on scripture as a guide to and basis for public policy. Many religious advocates for comprehensive immigration reform have invoked the biblical themes of compassion and welcoming strangers in making the case for moving millions of undocumented immigrants out of the shadows. Reed mentions those same themes, while arguing that it’s “a matter of judgment” how to apply them to immigration reform. But he seems more certain about how to apply his interpretation of other biblical themes to very specific policy details:

In Scripture, the obligation to care for the alien carries a corollary responsibility for the immigrant to obey the law and respect national customs. In the Old Testament, immigrants who followed the law shared in the inheritance of Israel. Amnesty violates this principle. Those who have come to the U.S. illegally must reform: Pay fines and back taxes, undergo a criminal check, learn English and wait before they can apply for a green card. Those who entered the country illegally should not be guaranteed a path to citizenship.

In Reed’s hands the Bible is surprisingly detailed in its prescriptions: fines and back taxes, but no path to citizenship. Not surprisingly, Reed’s Bible also seems to line up with current Republican talking points on “securing” the border before other reforms are implemented:

For these recommendations to be effective, we also must secure the border. Enforcement must be a success before anyone in the country illegally applies for a green card. Other measures should include funds for enhanced security along the U.S.-Mexico border. Modernizing the visa system to track those who overstay visas and fully implementing an E-Verify system to verify workers’ identities will further enhance security.

As politicians seek to solve the thorny problem of U.S. immigration policy, they should sit down with the faith community and perhaps open their Bibles.

Well, if politicians are looking to scripture to resolve details over visas, employment verification, and a path to citizenship, they may need to borrow Ralph’s Bible—it seems to contain some supplemental material."
Amused

Lowell, MA

#2 Feb 20, 2013
No real surprise there. In the bible, god commands the israelites to slaughter all the inhabitants of all the cities they conquer, out of fear of race mixing and religious diversity. Racism, religious bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, genocide, homophobia, it is all in the bible, and all heartily endorsed by their "loving" god. If the bible didn't exist, wingnuts would have had to invent it.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#3 Feb 20, 2013
Yes the bible promotes bigotry from cover to cover.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#4 Feb 20, 2013
It’s really not surprising. The target demographic for that argument has never read anything from their bibles that wasn’t suggested by their holy-man… of course, that’s assuming they’ve actually ever cracked the binding in the first place.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#5 Feb 20, 2013
The printing press gave church leaders fits because now the common man could actually read for themselves what was once the sole propriety of “church leaders”. It turns out it they had little to worry about

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#6 Feb 21, 2013
Well, considering that the bible pretty much has a verse that supports anything you care to name?

It's hardly surprising that a racist like Reed could find a bible-case supporting his bigotry.

... meh.
Siro

Seven Hills, Australia

#7 Feb 21, 2013
The above posters ^^^^^ proves that the atheist forum on Topix is just a marxist social club

“Formerly "Richard"”

Since: Mar 12

In the beginning e=mc^2

#8 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
The above posters ^^^^^ proves that the atheist forum on Topix is just a marxist social club
How?
Siro

Brisbane, Australia

#9 Feb 22, 2013
Lets start off with Desoto....
"These old white, xtian men must know they are no longer majorities, but they continue to use whatever unreasonable means necessary to hold on to power. Here they are trying to insert new stuff into their buybull to be used with politics for anti-immigration. How many times in the past have they tried to use their interpretations of their buybull to discriminate against others and eventually fail? That's insanity and being mental.
From the article in Salon:
http://www.salon.com/2013/02/19/can_the_bible... ;
Here is whinging about white people and using salon as a reference.
Speaks for itself.
Next...
Amused with this PC classic....
"Racism, religious bigotry, xenophobia, misogyny, genocide, homophobia, it is all in the bible, and all heartily endorsed by their "loving" god."
Next....
Givemescabies is a known wigger wannabe gangster.
TerryL arguing out of ignorance.
And bob.....well bob is bob and no further explanation is neccessary.
And now youve joined the club Richard

Since: Mar 11

Chicago, IL

#10 Feb 22, 2013
Of course if the bible is against immigration the native Americans say everyone out!
Amused

Bridgewater, MA

#12 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
The above posters ^^^^^ proves that the atheist forum on Topix is just a marxist social club
Keep your arms out. That way, when the men from the Funny Farm come for you, it will be hard to get the net over you.
Siro

Seven Hills, Australia

#13 Feb 22, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Keep your arms out. That way, when the men from the Funny Farm come for you, it will be hard to get the net over you.
Oh the racism,
Oh the religious bigotry,
Oh the xenophobia,
Oh the misogyny,
Oh the genocide,
Oh the homophobia,

Oh the crap you go on with......

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#14 Feb 22, 2013
Siro wrote:
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Oh the racism,
Oh the religious bigotry,
Oh the xenophobia,
Oh the misogyny,
Oh the genocide,
Oh the homophobia,
Well sh*t the f*ck up then creationist.
Siro

Seven Hills, Australia

#15 Feb 23, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Well sh*t the f*ck up then creationist.
Looks like ol' faithless is about to do another chimpout burst.
Youd get a decent height on your spray seeing as you spout sh!t all the time.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#16 Feb 23, 2013
Siro wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like ol' faithless is about to do another chimpout burst.
Youd get a decent height on your spray seeing as you spout sh!t all the time.
Still no proof of god, what a shame immoral creationist liar.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17 Feb 23, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Still no proof of god, what a shame immoral creationist liar.
But.

Further proof of his insanity.
Lincoln

United States

#18 Apr 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
But.
The obligations of religious toleration and pluralism require all who care not a bit about baseball to accept that opening day is more than the beginning of a sports season. It is a great religious festival.

It can’t be an accident that baseball always starts around the time of both Easter and Passover and, thus,“elicits a sense of renewal.” For the faithful, it means that “the long dark nights of winter are over” and “the slate is clean.” All teams, the exalted and lowly alike,“are tied at zero wins and zero losses.” This, in turn, means that the fervent cry “Wait’ll next year” becomes “prologue, replaced by hope.”

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#19 Apr 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Still no proof of god, what a shame immoral creationist liar.
OH my Gosh, atheists are so predictable. Scientists and BBC proved the existence of God.

For a starter, they found Noah's ark.

There is plenty of evidence. Scientists have proved it. I would admit however, that scientists go with evolution more rather than God, but God has been proven.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#20 Apr 1, 2013
They found Noah's Ark? Nope all of these so called Ark findings have been hoaxes. But even if they did find the Ark so to speak that wouldn't prove god, that would just be finding an ancient boat.

You are demonstrably dumber than Muq.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>OH my Gosh, atheists are so predictable. Scientists and BBC proved the existence of God.

For a starter, they found Noah's ark.

There is plenty of evidence. Scientists have proved it. I would admit however, that scientists go with evolution more rather than God, but God has been proven.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#21 Apr 1, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
They found Noah's Ark? Nope all of these so called Ark findings have been hoaxes. But even if they did find the Ark so to speak that wouldn't prove god, that would just be finding an ancient boat.
You are demonstrably dumber than Muq.
<quoted text>
Actually, the Ark estimated the exact size as the one in the Bible.

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