The Atheist God

The Atheist God

There are 152 comments on the Daily Kos story from Oct 7, 2013, titled The Atheist God. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

An odd title I know, but maybe not as odd as one might think. I am an Atheist in the purest sense, but I am still in some ways forced to contemplate God, though it may not be my own.

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Thinking

Windsor, UK

#82 Nov 20, 2013
So this christian group wants to source communion wine only from non christians. Isn't that discrimination?
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, and what one does in a certain minute of time, will not either validate nor discredit the rest of the million or so minutes of that persons life.
One of the absolute funniest things that I have seen in a while, was just a week or so ago, a Christiain group reneged on a contract with Duck Dynasty's Willie Robertson, because he had a sponsorship deal with some winery. Clearly no one associated, in any way with "wine" could be the inspiration for their group. Would it be out of line to suggest a bible lesson, on scripture, where Jesus actually made himself into wine maker?

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#83 Nov 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So this christian group wants to source communion wine only from non christians. Isn't that discrimination?
<quoted text>
Willie maybe should have billed himself as the blood of Christ's creator?
LCNLin

United States

#84 Nov 20, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No, I don't have a god. I don't worship anyone for the scientific method to work.
When Dawkins dies, his peer reviewed science papers will live far longer than any church you have attended.
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins, an agnostic selling books.

"I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic"
Amused

Lowell, MA

#85 Nov 20, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins, an agnostic selling books.
"I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic"
There were atheists long before Richard Dawkins. There will be atheists long after Richard Dawkins. Theists only attack Dawkins because it diverts attention from the fact that they have no evidence of their god. Turning the debate into ad hominems directed at Dawkins is just a smokescreen.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#86 Nov 20, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
The atheist god, would be a god who doesn't believe in gods?
very good explanation - funny!
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#87 Nov 20, 2013
the person you replied to was being stupid about definitions. agnostic means not knowing. and atheist means not believing. so most of the the atheists on this forum are agnostic atheists - not making a claim to have knowledge or proof, but also not believing. Skeptic is the only one who seems to be a socalled hard atheist who claims he knows - though he claims he has no burden of proof, we are supposed to take his word for it. It is sensible to be an agnostic atheist. It is arrogant to say one knows there is no God - or that one knows that there is. Thank you for making it clear that the believers who claim to know are the ones with the burden of proof. i hope you agree that atheists who claim to know and to have proof, have some obligation to set forth what they think is proof.
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
There were atheists long before Richard Dawkins. There will be atheists long after Richard Dawkins. Theists only attack Dawkins because it diverts attention from the fact that they have no evidence of their god. Turning the debate into ad hominems directed at Dawkins is just a smokescreen.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#88 Nov 20, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins, an agnostic selling books.
"I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic"
You are confusing your terms. Agnostic means not claiming to be sure. And atheist means not believing. The two go together perfectly well. One is thus an agnostic atheist - one does not believe in any God, but one does not claim to have proof that there is no God. There is no problem in having that view. The problem is for anyone with any other view!

Even the relatively wiser believer (wiser than the one who claims to know there is a God) who does not claim to have proof or to know for sure, and merely says he has faith, has the problem of explaining what sort of God he has faith in.

The agnostic atheist merely refers to any God or gods he has ever heard about, if he is sensible and modest, as one with an agnostic attitude is supposed to be. A person with an agnostic attitude can believe that no one will ever know anything about the existence of a God - but should not be so bold as to assert that HE KNOWS THAT no one will ever know
Amused

Lowell, MA

#89 Nov 20, 2013
One can say that the possibility of the existence of a god cannot be completely ruled out, but that the probability of a god or gods is so low that it can be ignored as a practical matter.

Many of the founding fathers were deists. They believed in a god that created the universe, but played no active role in it after the act of creation. An eminently reasonable position at that point in history. Science had not advanced to the point where it was capable of modeling possible alternate explanations for the existence of the universe, so hypothesizing a supernatural event as a plausible explanation made sense given the information available. Clearly, the deists recognized that there was no evidence for the interventionist god of theism.

Even if theists had some evidence proving a creator god, in the absence of further evidence of an interventionist god, actively involved in the universe and interested in judging, rewarding, punishing and all the rest, they've only made the case for deism. Expending huge amounts of time, effort, blood and treasure attempting to propitiate an utterly indifferent deity would remain a vast waste. A deist god, being merely a first cause, need not necessarily still exist, and could as easily have been consumed in the act of creation.

This makes the task of theists twice as onerous. First, they need to prove that there was a creator god, and it isn't just turtles all the way down. Then, only after having done that, can they move on to the second part of the question, whether that god retains any involvement in the universe, or is simply irrelevant to everything after that first moment of creation. Or, in the alternative, explain why humans ought to worship a completely indifferent presence that is, at best, a passive observer that does not reward, punish, judge or respond to entreaties.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#90 Nov 20, 2013
When Lincunt is long dead and forgotten, Dawkins' peer reviewed science papers will still be available for all of us.
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
There were atheists long before Richard Dawkins. There will be atheists long after Richard Dawkins. Theists only attack Dawkins because it diverts attention from the fact that they have no evidence of their god. Turning the debate into ad hominems directed at Dawkins is just a smokescreen.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#92 Nov 21, 2013
Dawkins was publishing important scientific papers decades before the creationtards heard about him on Faux News.
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Creationists attack Dawkins because they cannot attack Atheism.
Siro

Brisbane, Australia

#93 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
So this christian group wants to source communion wine only from non christians. Isn't that discrimination?
<quoted text>
Thats their business
Ever heard of free trade?
Thinking wrote:
When Lincunt is long dead and forgotten, Dawkins' peer reviewed science papers will still be available for all of us.
<quoted text>
Indeed...Dawkins' peer reviewed science papers should be sent to the Congo for public consumption....I hear they have a toilet paper shortage....
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#95 Nov 21, 2013
siro is so retarded that he thinks a restrictive practise is the same thing as free trade.
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro proof of god trying to talk about his foolish creationist cult again...*yawn*

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#96 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
siro is so retarded that he thinks a restrictive practise is the same thing as free trade.
<quoted text>
He also, conveniently chose to ignore the reason that wine was even mentioned.
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#97 Nov 21, 2013
siro's imam was too drunk to explain it to him in words of one syllable.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>He also, conveniently chose to ignore the reason that wine was even mentioned.
Siro

Sydney, Australia

#98 Nov 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
siro is so retarded that he thinks a restrictive practise is the same thing as free trade.
<quoted text>
You are demanding that a customer be forcibly made to buy from a certain vendor.
That is racketeering
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You atheists are so marxist PC, you shout discrimination at every given opportunity.
You scream discrimination because people dont like the idea of legalised gay marriage, you say that they should not have the right to oppose it or say no.
OK well what about this....
A white woman walks down the street, she is approached by 10 black men and asked for a gangbang. Now if she refuses you would say that she is discriminating against them because they are black and that she should consent to prove that she is not a racist.
If she said no you would try to have that deemed a criminal offence.........
..........Oh wait a sec!......What am I talking about!.......
......I just described your wife and the guys from your home movies!
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#99 Nov 21, 2013
siro lost it a long time ago.
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Siro proof of god trying to talk about his foolish creationist cult again...*yawn*
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#100 Nov 22, 2013
Being Atheist does not mean you cannot be a good person or a good neighbor, it just means you are ungodly and don't have to account to anyone for your goodness or your lack of it.

Being ungodly identifies you as being of this world, and everyone is in that boat, except Jehovahs' witnesses who proclaim and prove they are no part of this world as Jesus taught and separated himself from this ungodly world.

Only the ungodly will be destroyed at Armageddon, the end of this world prophesied to be very soon.
2Peter 3:7
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#101 Nov 22, 2013
It's always "very soon" with you nutters.
True Christian witness wrote:
Being Atheist does not mean you cannot be a good person or a good neighbor, it just means you are ungodly and don't have to account to anyone for your goodness or your lack of it.
Being ungodly identifies you as being of this world, and everyone is in that boat, except Jehovahs' witnesses who proclaim and prove they are no part of this world as Jesus taught and separated himself from this ungodly world.
Only the ungodly will be destroyed at Armageddon, the end of this world prophesied to be very soon.
2Peter 3:7

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Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#103 Nov 22, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
<quoted text>
Richard Dawkins, an agnostic selling books.
"I can't be sure God DOES NOT exist': World's most notorious atheist Richard Dawkins admits he is in fact agnostic"
"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic.... I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." ~ Isaac Asimov
Thinking

Windsor, UK

#104 Nov 22, 2013
The same consistent position as Dawkins.
It will upset Lincunt to have it all there in one great quote.
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic.... I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time." ~ Isaac Asimov

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