Denying the Undeniable

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Muslim

Makkah, Saudi Arabia

#1 Jan 8, 2014
Most Atheist arguments challenge the compatibility of an all-loving God with the perceived injustices of life. The religious identify such challenges as reflecting an arrogance of intellect -- being the assumption that we as mankind, an element of creation ourselves, know better than God how His creation should be ordered -- coupled with the failure to appreciate a larger design.

The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life should not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny the attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.

The confused and sensitive souls who encounter difficulty reconciling God’s existence with a harsh and often painful life deserve sympathy and explanation. If a person accepts the fact that God knows what He is doing and we don’t, he or she should rest comfortable with the understanding that deep down things may not be what they at first seem. Perhaps the wretched amongst humankind deserve their lot in life for reasons unforeseen, and perhaps they suffer only a short worldly existence to receive an eternal reward in the next life. Lest a person forget, God granted the favorites of His creation (i.e. the prophets) the greatest worldly gift of certainty, guidance and revelation; however, they suffered greatly in worldly terms. In fact, the trials and tribulations of most people pale in comparison to those of the prophets. So although many people do suffer terribly, the message of hope is that the archetypes of God’s favorites, namely the prophets, were deprived of the pleasures of this world in exchange for the rewards of the hereafter. A person might well expect a comparable reward for those who endure the trials and hardships of this life, while remaining steadfast upon true belief.

Similarly, a person cannot be faulted for expecting the disbelieving tyrants and oppressors to have all the enjoyments of this world, but none of the hereafter. Some of the known inmates of Hell spring to mind. Pharaoh, for example, lived a life of posh magnificence to the point that he proclaimed himself to be the supreme god. Most likely opinions changed when he broke wind. In any case, a person can reasonably expect him to be somewhat dissatisfied with his toasty abode of the moment, and the memories of his plush carpets, fine foods and scented handmaidens to have lost their charm of consolation given the heat of the moment.
Muslim

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#2 Jan 8, 2014
Most people have had the experience of ending a great day in a bad mood due to some sour event at the conclusion of events. Nobody values a fine meal that ends in divorce, a romantic interlude rewarded with AIDS, or a night of revelry capped off by a brutal mugging or crippling car crash. How good could it have been? Similarly, there is no joy in this life, no matter how great the ecstasy or how long the duration, which is not instantly erased from memory by a 100% full body burn. One side of one hand represents 1% of the total body surface area of a human being, making a kitchen burn of a fraction of a fingertip count for less than a thousandth of the total body surface area. Nonetheless, who doesn’t forget absolutely every little, every big, everything during that moment of painful thermal affliction? The agony of a whole-body burn, especially if there is no relief -- no jumping back, no pulling away -- is beyond the capacity of human imagination. The few who have survived such burns agree. Not only does the torture of a total burn exceed the boundaries of human imagination, but the agony of the experience surpasses the limits of language. The horror can neither be adequately conveyed by the unfortunate of experience, nor fully understood by those blessed to have escaped initiation. Certainly one looooooong, eternal, full-body bath in fire can be expected to erase any pleasant memories of the past, consistent with the conclusion that

“…the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter is but a brief passing enjoyment.”(Quran 13:26)

With regard to the subject of the present appendix[1], two elements of guiding consciousness deserve consideration, the first being that deep down all people have an innate knowledge of the presence of the Creator. Humankind may intellectualize this awareness away in search of the conveniences and pleasures of this world, but deep down, all mankind know the truth. What is more, God knows that we know, and He alone can calculate the level of individual rebellion and/or submission to Him.

The second element of dawning spiritual awareness is simply to understand that there is seldom a free lunch. Rarely does anybody get something for nothing. Should a man work for a boss whom he does not understand or with whom he does not agree, in the end he still has to do his job in order to get paid. Nobody goes to work (for long, anyway) and does nothing more than saying,“I’m at work,” expecting a paycheck to follow based on nothing more than unproductive attendance. Similarly, humankind must satisfy a duty of servitude and worship to God if hoping to receive His reward. After all, that is not only the purpose of life, it is our job description. For that matter, Muslims claim that such is the job description for both men and Jinn (plural for ‘spirits;’ singular ‘Jinn’ee,’ from which the Western word ‘genie’ is derived), for God conveys in the Holy Quran:

“And I have not created Jinns and men, except that they should serve (worship) Me.”(Quran 51:56)

Many people question the purpose of life, but the position of the faithful of many religions is exactly that stated above – mankind exists for no other reason than to serve and worship God. The proposal is that each and every element of creation exists to either support or test mankind in the fulfillment of that duty. Unlike worldly employment, a person can duck his or her responsibilities to God and be granted a grace period. However, at the end of this probationary period called life, accounts become due and payable, and such is certainly not the best time to find one’s account ‘in the red.’

Francis Bacon provided a wonderful closure to the topic of this appendix, stating,“They that deny a God destroy man’s nobility; for certainly man is of kin to the beasts by his body; and, if he be not of kin to God by his spirit, he is a base and ignoble creature.
Jim

London, UK

#3 Jan 9, 2014
Muslim wrote:
Most people have had the experience of ending a great day in a bad mood due to some sour event at the conclusion of events. Nobody values a fine meal that ends in divorce, a romantic interlude rewarded with AIDS, or a night of revelry capped off by a brutal mugging or crippling car crash. How good could it have been? Similarly, there is no joy in this life, no matter how great the ecstasy or how long the duration, which is not instantly erased from memory by a 100% full body burn. One side of one hand represents 1% of the total body surface area of a human being, making a kitchen burn of a fraction of a fingertip count for less than a thousandth of the total body surface area. Nonetheless, who doesn’t forget absolutely every little, every big, everything during that moment of painful thermal affliction? The agony of a whole-body burn, especially if there is no relief -- no jumping back, no pulling away -- is beyond the capacity of human imagination. The few who have survived such burns agree. Not only does the torture of a total burn exceed the boundaries of human imagination, but the agony of the experience surpasses the limits of language. The horror can neither be adequately conveyed by the unfortunate of experience, nor fully understood by those blessed to have escaped initiation. Certainly one looooooong, eternal, full-body bath in fire can be expected to erase any pleasant memories of the past, consistent with the conclusion that
“…the life of this world as compared with the Hereafter is but a brief passing enjoyment.”(Quran 13:26)
With regard to the subject of the present appendix[1], two elements of guiding consciousness deserve consideration, the first being that deep down all people have an innate knowledge of the presence of the Creator. Humankind may intellectualize this awareness away in search of the conveniences and pleasures of this world, but deep down, all mankind know the truth. What is more, God knows that we know, and He alone can calculate the level of individual rebellion and/or submission to Him.
The second element of dawning spiritual awareness is simply to understand that there is seldom a free lunch. Rarely does anybody get something for nothing. Should a man work for a boss whom he does not understand or with whom he does not agree, in the end he still has to do his job in order to get paid. Nobody goes to work (for long, anyway) and does nothing more than saying,“I’m at work,” expecting a paycheck to follow based on nothing more than unproductive attendance. Similarly, humankind must satisfy a duty of servitude and worship to God if hoping to receive His reward. After all, that is not only the purpose of life, it is our job description. For that matter, Muslims claim that such is the job description for both men and Jinn (plural for ‘spirits;’ singular ‘Jinn’ee,’ from which the Western word ‘genie’ is derived), for God conveys in the Holy Quran:
“And I have not created Jinns and men, except that they should serve (worship) Me.”(Quran 51:56)
Many people question the purpose of life, but the position of the faithful of many religions is exactly that stated above – mankind exists for no other reason than to serve and worship God
Francis Bacon provided a wonderful closure to the topic of this appendix, stating,“They that deny a God destroy man’s nobility; for certainly man is of kin to the beasts by his body; and, if he be not of kin to God by his spirit, he is a base and ignoble creature.
When you finally have evidence of god, your mind will no longer be compelled to write worthless religious rants based on no facts whatsoever.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#4 Jan 9, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
When you finally have evidence of god, your mind will no longer be compelled to write worthless religious rants based on no facts whatsoever.
Stop denying the undeniable.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#5 Jan 9, 2014
There's NO evidence for a god

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#6 Jan 9, 2014
Man is a slave and should stop thinking and obey the slave owner according to the youngest book of fairy tales from islam

i would rather be free to do what i want instead of taking orders from a slave owner

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#7 Jan 9, 2014
of the toilet to free profit mo
Muslim wrote:
Most Atheist arguments challenge the compatibility of an all-loving God with the perceived injustices of life. The religious identify such challenges as reflecting an arrogance of intellect -- being the assumption that we as mankind, an element of creation ourselves, know better than God how His creation should be ordered -- coupled with the failure to appreciate a larger design.
The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life should not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny the attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.
The confused and sensitive souls who encounter difficulty reconciling God’s existence with a harsh and often painful life deserve sympathy and explanation. If a person accepts the fact that God knows what He is doing and we don’t, he or she should rest comfortable with the understanding that deep down things may not be what they at first seem. Perhaps the wretched amongst humankind deserve their lot in life for reasons unforeseen, and perhaps they suffer only a short worldly existence to receive an eternal reward in the next life. Lest a person forget, God granted the favorites of His creation (i.e. the prophets) the greatest worldly gift of certainty, guidance and revelation; however, they suffered greatly in worldly terms. In fact, the trials and tribulations of most people pale in comparison to those of the prophets. So although many people do suffer terribly, the message of hope is that the archetypes of God’s favorites, namely the prophets, were deprived of the pleasures of this world in exchange for the rewards of the hereafter. A person might well expect a comparable reward for those who endure the trials and hardships of this life, while remaining steadfast upon true belief.
Similarly, a person cannot be faulted for expecting the disbelieving tyrants and oppressors to have all the enjoyments of this world, but none of the hereafter. Some of the known inmates of Hell spring to mind. Pharaoh, for example, lived a life of posh magnificence to the point that he proclaimed himself to be the supreme god. Most likely opinions changed when he broke wind. In any case, a person can reasonably expect him to be somewhat dissatisfied with his toasty abode of the moment, and the memories of his plush carpets, fine foods and scented handmaidens to have lost their charm of consolation given the heat of the moment.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#8 Jan 9, 2014
your imaginary man in the sky, only ever talked to the inbreds in the middle east,talikng snakkkkesss, and bushes, loves his little slave traders thou
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Stop denying the undeniable.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#9 Jan 9, 2014
$100 REWARD FOR MISSING CAMEL. Please help me. My camel, Omar, is missing. The last time I saw him he was dressed in pink underwear and I was riding him to the weekly terror meeting at Ahmed's Bar and Dynamite Jamboree. He has tattoos of swords on his side, and a picture of the Holy Profit, mohammed the pedophile, on his arse. Also, he has a copy of the holy book, the crayon, shoved in his buttocks. Can you help me? Mohammed, Dearborn Terror Center, Islamic Way, Dearborn, MI. 666
Amused

Lowell, MA

#10 Jan 9, 2014
Muslim wrote:
Most Atheist arguments challenge the compatibility of an all-loving God with the perceived injustices of life. The religious identify such challenges as reflecting an arrogance of intellect -- being the assumption that we as mankind, an element of creation ourselves, know better than God how His creation should be ordered -- coupled with the failure to appreciate a larger design.
The fact that many of mankind fail to make sense of certain aspects of this life should not dissuade from belief in God. The duty of man is not to question or deny the attributes or presence of God, and not to incline to arrogance through professing to be able to do a better job, but rather to accept human station in this life and do the best that can be done with what we’ve been given. By analogy, the fact that a person does not like the way the boss does things at work, and fails to understand the decisions he makes, does not negate his existence. Rather, each person’s duty is to fulfill a job description in order to be paid and promoted. Similarly, failure to grasp or approve of the way God orders creation does not negate His existence. Rather, humankind should recognize with humility that, unlike the workplace boss, who may be wrong, God by definition is of absolute perfection, always right and never wrong. Humankind should bow down to Him in willing submission and in recognition that failure to understand His design on our part does not reflect error on His part. Rather, He is The Lord and Master of Creation and we are not, He knows all and we do not, He orders all affairs according to His perfect attributes, and we simply remain His subjects, along for the ride of our lives.
The confused and sensitive souls who encounter difficulty reconciling God’s existence with a harsh and often painful life deserve sympathy and explanation. If a person accepts the fact that God knows what He is doing and we don’t, he or she should rest comfortable with the understanding that deep down things may not be what they at first seem. Perhaps the wretched amongst humankind deserve their lot in life for reasons unforeseen, and perhaps they suffer only a short worldly existence to receive an eternal reward in the next life. Lest a person forget, God granted the favorites of His creation (i.e. the prophets) the greatest worldly gift of certainty, guidance and revelation; however, they suffered greatly in worldly terms. In fact, the trials and tribulations of most people pale in comparison to those of the prophets. So although many people do suffer terribly, the message of hope is that the archetypes of God’s favorites, namely the prophets, were deprived of the pleasures of this world in exchange for the rewards of the hereafter. A person might well expect a comparable reward for those who endure the trials and hardships of this life, while remaining steadfast upon true belief.
Similarly, a person cannot be faulted for expecting the disbelieving tyrants and oppressors to have all the enjoyments of this world, but none of the hereafter. Some of the known inmates of Hell spring to mind. Pharaoh, for example, lived a life of posh magnificence to the point that he proclaimed himself to be the supreme god. Most likely opinions changed when he broke wind. In any case, a person can reasonably expect him to be somewhat dissatisfied with his toasty abode of the moment, and the memories of his plush carpets, fine foods and scented handmaidens to have lost their charm of consolation given the heat of the moment.
There's nothing "undeniable" about religion except the fact that there's no evidence to suggest that the various outlandish fairy tales are true.

Your reasoning is circular: you believe that humans should not question the existence of god because you believe god commands you not to question belief in god. Once you step outside that circle, there's nothing undeniable, or even credible about that proposition.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#11 Jan 9, 2014
Muslim wrote:
...
Francis Bacon provided a wonderful closure to the topic of this appendix, stating,“They that deny a God destroy man’s nobility; for certainly man is of kin to the beasts by his body; and, if he be not of kin to God by his spirit, he is a base and ignoble creature.
People who blow up buildings full of innocent people using planes full of innocent people ARE base and ignoble creatures.

People who mutilate a little girl to intimidate other girls from seeking education ARE base and ignoble creatures.

People who stone people to death ARE base and ignoble creatures.

People who commit 'honor' killings ARE base and ignoble creatures.

Need I go on?

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#12 Jan 10, 2014
Mikko wrote:
There's NO evidence for a god
How DID the universe pop suddenly into existence

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#13 Jan 10, 2014
Mikko wrote:
Man is a slave and should stop thinking and obey the slave owner according to the youngest book of fairy tales from islam
i would rather be free to do what i want instead of taking orders from a slave owner
We're all free, Mikko.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#14 Jan 10, 2014
Amused wrote:
<quoted text>
People who blow up buildings full of innocent people using planes full of innocent people ARE base and ignoble creatures.
People who mutilate a little girl to intimidate other girls from seeking education ARE base and ignoble creatures.
People who stone people to death ARE base and ignoble creatures.
People who commit 'honor' killings ARE base and ignoble creatures.
Need I go on?
I may be christian, but i respect the Muslims for what they believe in. First, 9/11 was caused by the evil Muslims. There's 2 different kinds of Islam. LOOK IT UP. Stoning was caused by evil side of Islam and other people who hated on other people's beliefs in the biblical times.

I won't continue, try understanding us.

I suggest you study religion or just sit there behind your computer saying we did this and we did that like little baby.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#15 Jan 10, 2014
who made your god, did he pop into existence, religion has never invented nothing for humanity, infact is has held us back nearly 2000 years, your arab jewsus was a bum, not once did he do any work, walking around the desert in flip flops, what a bum
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
How DID the universe pop suddenly into existence

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#16 Jan 10, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
We're all free, Mikko.
I'm more free i can sleep on sundays
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#17 Jan 10, 2014
I don't think you understand your own question.

If there is a gap in scientific knowledge, then Vishnu must exist?
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
How DID the universe pop suddenly into existence
Amused

Lowell, MA

#18 Jan 10, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
I may be christian, but i respect the Muslims for what they believe in. First, 9/11 was caused by the evil Muslims. There's 2 different kinds of Islam. LOOK IT UP. Stoning was caused by evil side of Islam and other people who hated on other people's beliefs in the biblical times.
I won't continue, try understanding us.
I suggest you study religion or just sit there behind your computer saying we did this and we did that like little baby.
Both of the major branches of islam have enough blood on their hands to fill an ocean. You, being a christian, can't condemn them without exploding from sheer hypocrisy. I have studies religion. That's why I am an atheist.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#19 Jan 11, 2014
Muslim wrote:
Most people have had the experience of ending a great day in a bad mood due to some sour event at the conclusion of events. Nobody values a fine meal that ends in divorce, a romantic interlude rewarded with AIDS, or a night of revelry capped off by a brutal mugging or crippling car crash. How good could it have been? Similarly, there is no joy in this life, no matter how great the ecstasy or how long the duration, which is not instantly erased from memory by a 100% full body burn. One side of one hand represents 1% of the total body surface area of a human being, making a kitchen burn of a fraction of a fingertip count for less than a thousandth of the total body surface area. Nonetheless, who doesn’t forget absolutely every little, every big, everything during that moment of painful thermal affliction? The agony of a whole-body burn, especially if there is no relief -- no jumping back, no pulling away -- is beyond the capacity of human imagination. The few who have survived such burns agree. Not only does the torture of a total burn exceed the boundaries of human imagination, bu..........
Explain to us again why your despicable Muslim religion needs "religious police" to walk the streets with clubs to beat people, usually WOMEN, who are dressed the wrong way, etc.?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#20 Jan 12, 2014
Boxing Day morning. Jesus is up early playing with his new myrrh. The wise men are making coffee. Mary and Joseph come downstairs, with Mary sporting a massive black eye. One of the wise men says,
"Christ! What happened?" to which Joseph replies:
"First shag I've had in six months and the bitch starts screaming her ex's name."

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