Can anyone Prove there is no God?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#159 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Regarding Moses’ freeing of the slaves, if you were the leader of a hedonistic nation like ancient Egypt and you just got your butt handed to you (and especially to your gods!) by a bunch of slaves, would you allow anyone to write about it?
But... it is much more LAUGHABLY wrong!

The idiots who FABRICATED the Exodus tale?

WERE TOO IGNORANT TO KNOW THAT EGYPT CONTROLLED ALL THE LANDS TO THE NORTH-EAST OF THE RED SEA.

Those Israelites? They were "fleeing" into EGYPTIAN LANDS.

The makers of that silly story did not KNOW that, obviously...!

Silly they.

... if only they had had a GOD to set the record RIGHT...!

.... <laughing my azz off at you>

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#160 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. No, the Constitution protects religion FROM gov. intrusion, not the other way around. Why don’t you people confirm the foolish stuff you repeat rather than making yourselves look foolish?
You are dead wrong. Just like your false Exodus myth.

The government IS NOT ALLOWED TO PROMOTE ANY RELIGION OVER ANOTHER.

That is the **literal** language.

Meaning?

NO RELIGIOUS-BASE LAWS ALLOWED--EVER.

**Poof** there goes 100% of your anti-gay hate-laws

**Poof** there goes 100% of your anti-abortion hate-laws

**Poof** there goes 100% of your pro-creationism bullshit laws

Out the window!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#161 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
2. Women do have roles in the church, yes, but that does not mean they are second class in general.
Lie.

Until and if you see a WOMAN POPE? You are lying.

Until and if you see a WOMAN ULTIMATE HEAD-OF-YOUR-CHURCH?

You are lying.

Lying is what you do.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#162 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
3. What about the child’s right to choose?
Not a child, you ignorant moron. A CHILD is able to exist ON IT'S OWN.

A fetus? Cannot.

Not a child, therefore.

You LIE. As is your habit.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Abortion is murder
Anther lie-- murder is the premature ENDING of a HUMAN.

A fetus isn't human-- not YET.

A HUMAN can exist on it's own, without being a parasite depending on the BLOOD of another to exist.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
of the innocent and NO ONE has the right to choose that for anyone else.
Ironic you would say this-- WHILE DENYING THE RIGHTS OF GAYS TO MARRY...!

Hmmmm...
FollowerofChrist wrote:
If women don’t want to get pregnant, then they should use protection of keep their legs closed!
YOUR RELIGIOUS JUDGMENTAL BIGOTRY NOTED.

Good thing the CONSTITUTION forbids it-- no promotion of YOUR ugly religion over OTHER religions who are not bigoted...
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Eliminate women from the workplace? Nope.
Admit that is what you REALLY want--

---- you think women are just BABY FACTORIES.

You said so, above with the "keep her legs closed" bigotry.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Keep them from contraceptives? Nope.
Then WHY are you against free contraceptives in high schools?

Hmmmm?

Hypocrite, much?

And WHY is your ugly church AGAINST providing health benefits that pay for women's contraceptives?

Hmmm?

Hypocrite, again?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#163 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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And what happens when contraceptive fail?
Then they accept the fact that they blew it and have the child. If they don't want to keep it, there are plenty of people who can't even have children who would take it. Regardless of the circumstances, it is never the unborn child's fault!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#164 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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If that were true?
The weekly Wal Mart advertising paper would be the most accurate document of all recorded history...
.. for it has **certainly** "outsold" everything else, ever--since the dawn of writing.
And your point?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#165 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Who better to establish laws than a God who knows everything, past, present, and future, and knows how people are going to behave? Yes, the laws of God do apply to everyone. Just because there are people out there who don't believe in God, doesn't negate the fact that the laws are there. Should you be allowed to say, "Give me all your money!" to someone, at gunpoint, just because you don't believe in the God who said, "Do not steal"?!
No actually, a god's law only applies to the people that believe in that god... and I don't know why it's such a common trait for the christians on here to assume that I think it's o.k. to commit crimes just because I don't believe in god.... So my answer would be no...I do not think it's o.k. to hold someone at gunpoint and ask them for all of there money. I choose to not be a criminal, and I do not need a belief in god to make that decision. It would behoove you to not make assumptions like this.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#166 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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While I could almost agree with this particular circumstance, I cannot agree with any other for two reasons: 1. No matter what the situation, it is never the fault of the unborn child; 2. In America, the number of abortions due to anything but mommy's choice are very small (only around 1% of abortions happen because of rape 3% for mother's health!). The vast majority, about 91-95%, are because of mother's choice! That's an awful lot of innocent lives destroyed in the name of "choice"!
This is a subject that we probably agree much more on. My cousin had 5 abortions...she lives in Florida, and she has a daughter now, and it's in my opinion that she doesn't deserve that child because of that.

Abortion is a very difficult subject to tackle. I feel that there are certain situations where the circumstances should be taken into account more, but it's in my opinion that although a woman's body is hers and hers alone, there should be no reason to kill an unborn child unless it is a life or death decision for the mother and or the child.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#167 Aug 21, 2013
Ok, I don't know about anyone else on here, but I will no longer respond to you people when you cannot act like civil humans! I mean I know you think you're nothing more than advanced apes, so it's to be expected for you to act like them, but really....! If you cannot refrain from name-calling and hate, of me and my God, then don't even bother responding; I will simply ignore you!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#168 Aug 21, 2013
And I am sooooo tired of this cope-out argument that a fetus is not a human being: if it is left alone, it is destined to be a living, breathing child. It's not going to come out a frog or a mouse; it is a human life with a heart-beat and a brain. It is not part of the woman's body to be excised if she wants to. It's not a mass or a cancer or a lump. You who think it is ok to kill a child in the womb need to explain why it's not ok to kill one outside the womb! Why is it murder if a person punches a pregnant woman in the stomach and kills the baby, but if the mother is inconvenienced by it, then suddenly it's not even human. The status of humanity is NOT decided by which side (in or out) of the uterine wall the baby is on! Anyone who believes it's ok to murder the unborn is scum and will deserve exactly what they will get!!

“My name is Trunks...”

Since: Jun 10

the alternate future

#169 Aug 21, 2013
Well, that's a rather immature thing to say. If you disagree with what we have to say, why not just maturely walk away from the situation instead of resorting to petty name-calling? You have been given numerous opportunities (from what I have observed on here) to prove the existence of your god and you have not even offered ONE bit of evidence.

You offer up the proof of an omnipotent, omniscient, god and you say that you have proof that it exists....well, why can't God come down here itself and prove that it exists? Why go through humans to prove it exists? If God has so much power, why rely on fallible humans when he can appear at any moment?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#170 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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No actually, a god's law only applies to the people that believe in that god... and I don't know why it's such a common trait for the christians on here to assume that I think it's o.k. to commit crimes just because I don't believe in god.... So my answer would be no...I do not think it's o.k. to hold someone at gunpoint and ask them for all of there money. I choose to not be a criminal, and I do not need a belief in god to make that decision. It would behoove you to not make assumptions like this.
Do you believe in evolution? If so, then you believe that we all came from random natural processes that were driven by nothing more than natural selection and mutation: nothing immaterial exists. If nothing immaterial exists, then objective morality cannot exist, as it is immaterial and only an immaterial god could create immaterial morality. This all means that you shouldn't care what happens to anyone if you believe in evo, because "caring" is a product of morality. You shouldn't have a problem with someone stealing what they want because stealing is a product of immorality. If morality doesn't exist, then everything is up for grabs as it is all about personal preferences and one's own raw desires/needs. True or no?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#171 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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This is a subject that we probably agree much more on. My cousin had 5 abortions...she lives in Florida, and she has a daughter now, and it's in my opinion that she doesn't deserve that child because of that.
Abortion is a very difficult subject to tackle. I feel that there are certain situations where the circumstances should be taken into account more, but it's in my opinion that although a woman's body is hers and hers alone, there should be no reason to kill an unborn child unless it is a life or death decision for the mother and or the child.
I am glad to see we agree!:)
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#172 Aug 21, 2013
Lelouch0 wrote:
Well, that's a rather immature thing to say. If you disagree with what we have to say, why not just maturely walk away from the situation instead of resorting to petty name-calling? You have been given numerous opportunities (from what I have observed on here) to prove the existence of your god and you have not even offered ONE bit of evidence.
You offer up the proof of an omnipotent, omniscient, god and you say that you have proof that it exists....well, why can't God come down here itself and prove that it exists? Why go through humans to prove it exists? If God has so much power, why rely on fallible humans when he can appear at any moment?
Sigh

Please tell me where I have name called! If you are referring to my calling people "scum," considering the subject matter, I think it is deserved. And I am not referring to anyone specifically; really, I am referring to all such people as a group. It's not a personal thing but a group mentality thing!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#173 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Sigh
Please tell me where I have name called! If you are referring to my calling people "scum," considering the subject matter, I think it is deserved. And I am not referring to anyone specifically; really, I am referring to all such people as a group. It's not a personal thing but a group mentality thing!
Why can't you prove your god? Why do you ask atheists to cure your mental illness?

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#174 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Ok, I don't know about anyone else on here, but I will no longer respond to you people when you cannot act like civil humans! I mean I know you think you're nothing more than advanced apes, so it's to be expected for you to act like them, but really....! If you cannot refrain from name-calling and hate, of me and my God, then don't even bother responding; I will simply ignore you!
I didn't call any names, so I hope you weren't referring to me.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#175 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Do you believe in evolution? If so, then you believe that we all came from random natural processes that were driven by nothing more than natural selection and mutation: nothing immaterial exists. If nothing immaterial exists, then objective morality cannot exist, as it is immaterial and only an immaterial god could create immaterial morality. This all means that you shouldn't care what happens to anyone if you believe in evo, because "caring" is a product of morality. You shouldn't have a problem with someone stealing what they want because stealing is a product of immorality. If morality doesn't exist, then everything is up for grabs as it is all about personal preferences and one's own raw desires/needs. True or no?
Evolution's a fact and you're an idiot for not "believing" in it.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#176 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Do you believe in evolution? If so, then you believe that we all came from random natural processes that were driven by nothing more than natural selection and mutation: nothing immaterial exists. If nothing immaterial exists, then objective morality cannot exist, as it is immaterial and only an immaterial god could create immaterial morality. This all means that you shouldn't care what happens to anyone if you believe in evo, because "caring" is a product of morality. You shouldn't have a problem with someone stealing what they want because stealing is a product of immorality. If morality doesn't exist, then everything is up for grabs as it is all about personal preferences and one's own raw desires/needs. True or no?
I do and will continue to believe in evolution, unless there is some evidence to prove otherwise in the future. I do not rule out the possibility, simply because none of really know. I believe that society's and cultures set the rules for moral behavior. There are other countries such as China that have much older religious practices, and they hold different moral standards than those of christians, or other religious groups. In my opinion it is egotistical to think that the christian relgion, or the christian "god" set the moral standard for the world. As a child a parent tries to teach a child good morals...as that child grows it becomes their decision what moral standards they will hold. Morality exists whether we were created by a god or by the big bang. Having a belief or a non belief in god does not mean that I have good or bad morals. My parents raised me to be kind, and considerate, and to know the difference between right and wrong behavior. I did not learn it from the bible, nor was I taught it from the bible. I'm sorry that you feel that non-believers are all criminal minded, but that view is incorrect.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#177 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Do you believe in evolution? If so, then you believe that we all came from random natural processes that were driven by nothing more than natural selection and mutation: nothing immaterial exists.
The laws of nature are not random, but nothing material exists.
If nothing immaterial exists, then objective morality cannot exist, as it is immaterial and only an immaterial god could create immaterial morality.
Incorrect. Morality is about how people relate to other people, which is a perfectly material process. Those rules that lead to societies where people are happier and more productive are better rules. Morality is based on the best rules we have found so far.
This all means that you shouldn't care what happens to anyone if you believe in evo, because "caring" is a product of morality.
Simply false. Dogs care about other dogs and about humans. This shows that evolution can lead to caring and morality. So your whole deductive system is flawed.
You shouldn't have a problem with someone stealing what they want because stealing is a product of immorality. If morality doesn't exist, then everything is up for grabs as it is all about personal preferences and one's own raw desires/needs. True or no?
Morality exists, but it is about how people relate to other people, a very material process. Your theology blinds you to the realities.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#178 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I didn't call any names, so I hope you weren't referring to me.
No no, someone called Lelouch0. You've been quite respectful and it's refreshing!

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