Can anyone Prove there is no God?
Amused

Merrimac, MA

#138 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Stop thinking like a tiny little human being for a moment(...
Thinking like a tiny human being isn't a problem. Imagining you can think like an imaginary deity, on the other hand...

Since: Jun 13

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#139 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.

2. We do not tell our children lies. We tell our children about Christ and hope that they will live by His example and love God and others. Our teaching them hurts no one; you don't want to teach YOUR children the truth, don't do it, but don't try to tell us what we should and shouldn't teach our own kids! And while there are, of course, instances of pastors being accused of child molestation, the vast majority have been in the Catholic churches who are not truly Christian.

3. I love all of the ridiculous straw men you atheists love to destroy. But we do not hate women. In fact, we love women, which is why we are against infant "future women" and men, being murdered before they even have a chance to live! We are NOT against contraceptives unless they are just another form of infanticide, such as the day-after type of drug. And how exactly are we against women's health clinics? Except for those who slaughter innocent lives, we have no problems with them.

3. We do not consider women to be second-class, and we certainly don't condone harming them or denying them rights. You are confusing us with Islam, perhaps. The Bible never says that women are less than men; as a matter of fact, that God used a rib from man's SIDE is something that we consider proof that we should consider women as equals. You really need to get your facts straight BEFORE you falsely accuse!
I have to say that there was a woman in Ireland who died because the religious refused to let her get an abortion...the baby was not going to make it and instead of letting the woman make her own choice to live they allowed the baby to basically kill her. I am not for abortion, but I think in certain cases a society should not be able to step in and tell a woman what to do with her body.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#140 Aug 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
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The number of copies made has no bearing on the truth of what's in the manuscript. So, you have plenty of evidence that the bible exists. I don't think anyone here seriously doubts that there is such a book as "the bible". Whether it is what it claims to be, or whether it is even an accurate rendering of the allegedly historical facts contained therein, is an entirely separate question.
If the bible were actually inspired by the being that created the universe, explain why it says the earth is immobile at the center of the universe while the sun is in orbit around the earth. One can readily understand how ancient man might have thought this, but wouldn't the actual creator know how his own creation was structured?
If the bible is historically accurate, explain why, despite the bible's account of the exodus, Egyptian records from the same time period fail to mention the presence of Jewish slaves in Egypt, Joseph as an aide to the pharaoh, the seven plagues, the sudden escape of a large number of slaves, or the drowning of the entire Egyptian army, while many more mundane events are recorded in records from Egypt from the same time frame. Do you think that no Egyptian thought the death of all first born Egyptians was such an unremarkable event that it was not worth noting?
Just two of the more obvious reasons why atheists are not impressed with the bible, no matter how many copies are in manuscript.
1. The number of copies certainly relates to quality and accuracy of translation. The more copies they had, the more likely they could determine exactly what was written. Added to many other factors that provide evidence for the Biblical author’s authenticity and reliability prove that the Bible is reliable and that they writers of it were real and were eyewitnesses to Jesus.

2. It does not say that!

3. Regarding Joseph, ancient Egyptian artifacts DO depict Semitic slave. Even though there is no specific mention of him, there is plenty of accuracy in the details of the overall Joseph account (“loose” queens, the ritual of installing a leader such as Joseph became). Regarding Moses’ freeing of the slaves, if you were the leader of a hedonistic nation like ancient Egypt and you just got your butt handed to you (and especially to your gods!) by a bunch of slaves, would you allow anyone to write about it? I would imagine that had anyone even tried to write about they would have been locked up or killed!

4. Let's face it, it wouldn't matter if Moses appeared to you and directly told you what happened, you would not believe!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#142 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Bible-god is a RELIGION.
The CONSTITUTION strictly FORBIDS promoting your ugly, bigoted RELIGION over other, more sane varieties.
Fail.
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Lie. Your horrid BuyBull(bible) tells women that they are SECOND CLASS PEOPLE, unworthy of leadership roles.
Your ugly religion follows that bigotry too often.
Fail.
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Lie.
Your ugly religion wants to eliminate abortions-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.
BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.
Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women in the workplace-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO WORK.
BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.
Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women's rights to proper contraceptives-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE.
BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.
1. No, the Constitution protects religion FROM gov. intrusion, not the other way around. Why don’t you people confirm the foolish stuff you repeat rather than making yourselves look foolish?
2. Women do have roles in the church, yes, but that does not mean they are second class in general.
3. What about the child’s right to choose? Abortion is murder of the innocent and NO ONE has the right to choose that for anyone else. If women don’t want to get pregnant, then they should use protection of keep their legs closed!
Eliminate women from the workplace? Nope.
Keep them from contraceptives? Nope.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#143 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope-- there were **NO** bibles of ANY SORT, prior to Constantin's committee.
None.
To claim otherwise is to lie.
I have nothing more to say to you; you need to grow up and learn how to interact with adults. And spewing the nonsense taken from others without even thinking about it or researching their validity is pitiful!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#144 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Even when 'he' acts just like a temperamental human despot. Once again, I strongly disagree that the originator of an intelligence has a right to do whatever he sees fit with that invention. That is, ultimately, immoral.
If you cannot think outside of your humanistic, anthropocentric, world, then there is little I could do to convince you of anything anyway. The one who IS morality, cannot violate it!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#145 Aug 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Funny, your bible attributes to him exactly the same language "abomination" when he allegedly forbids eating shellfish, planting two crops in the same row, or wearing clothing made of more than one fiber. Which would mean is it just as sinful to eat a lobster or fried clams as it is to be gay. Your polyester/wool suit is as offensive to your god as gay sex. So, I guess of you are wearing a poly/cotton shirt while eating lobster, you are irredeemably hell-bound.'Specially if you had bacon and eggs for breakfast that day.
No, there are at least a couple different Hebrew words that are translated abominable. The meaning of the word used is defined by the context of the verse/segment/chapter.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#146 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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It's in my opinion that any kind of law made that has been inspired by a god should not be a law. Simply because the laws of a god do not apply to everyone. So, yes, I think it should be wrong.
Who better to establish laws than a God who knows everything, past, present, and future, and knows how people are going to behave? Yes, the laws of God do apply to everyone. Just because there are people out there who don't believe in God, doesn't negate the fact that the laws are there. Should you be allowed to say, "Give me all your money!" to someone, at gunpoint, just because you don't believe in the God who said, "Do not steal"?!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#147 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I have to say that there was a woman in Ireland who died because the religious refused to let her get an abortion...the baby was not going to make it and instead of letting the woman make her own choice to live they allowed the baby to basically kill her. I am not for abortion, but I think in certain cases a society should not be able to step in and tell a woman what to do with her body.
While I could almost agree with this particular circumstance, I cannot agree with any other for two reasons: 1. No matter what the situation, it is never the fault of the unborn child; 2. In America, the number of abortions due to anything but mommy's choice are very small (only around 1% of abortions happen because of rape 3% for mother's health!). The vast majority, about 91-95%, are because of mother's choice! That's an awful lot of innocent lives destroyed in the name of "choice"!
Amused

Merrimac, MA

#148 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. No, the Constitution protects religion FROM gov. intrusion, not the other way around. Why don’t you people confirm the foolish stuff you repeat rather than making yourselves look foolish?
2. Women do have roles in the church, yes, but that does not mean they are second class in general.
3. What about the child’s right to choose? Abortion is murder of the innocent and NO ONE has the right to choose that for anyone else. If women don’t want to get pregnant, then they should use protection of keep their legs closed!
Eliminate women from the workplace? Nope.
Keep them from contraceptives? Nope.
The establishment clause says government shall not establish a state religion. The government remains neutral in matters of religion, and has no religious character. One need only read James Madison's Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments to see how passionate Madison, one of the principal architects of the constitution, was about keeping government out of religion and vice versa.

And if you think women keeping their legs closed will prevent pregnancy, you must have been sleeping in biology class. Not everyone uses only the missionary position.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#149 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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If you cannot think outside of your humanistic, anthropocentric, world, then there is little I could do to convince you of anything anyway. The one who IS morality, cannot violate it!
But you have yet to give any coherent reason for thinking there *is* such a one. You chose to believe your myth and now think everyone should choose as you do.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#150 Aug 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
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The establishment clause says government shall not establish a state religion. The government remains neutral in matters of religion, and has no religious character. One need only read James Madison's Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments to see how passionate Madison, one of the principal architects of the constitution, was about keeping government out of religion and vice versa.
And if you think women keeping their legs closed will prevent pregnancy, you must have been sleeping in biology class. Not everyone uses only the missionary position.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." That says nothing about state religion. It says the gov. cannot make any laws relative to the establishment of religion or interfering with its freedom to operate. That's all!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#151 Aug 21, 2013
Amused wrote:
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The establishment clause says government shall not establish a state religion. The government remains neutral in matters of religion, and has no religious character. One need only read James Madison's Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments to see how passionate Madison, one of the principal architects of the constitution, was about keeping government out of religion and vice versa.
And if you think women keeping their legs closed will prevent pregnancy, you must have been sleeping in biology class. Not everyone uses only the missionary position.
Oh, and your closed legs commentary...you know what I meant!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#152 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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If you cannot think outside of your humanistic, anthropocentric, world, then there is little I could do to convince you of anything anyway. The one who IS morality, cannot violate it!
Why do you think I am limited to an anthropocentric viewpoint? I can certainly deal with the possibilities of other intelligences, even ones much better than our own. But even if there are such, they would not have the rights to determine what their intelligent creations do. Not even perfect knowledge would give them that right. So, no, I do not agree that your deity, even if such actually existed, would have the right to set rules for us. And setting such rules and then saying anyone who chooses not to follow those rules will be tortured eternally,*that* is pure evil.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#153 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...." That says nothing about state religion. It says the gov. cannot make any laws relative to the establishment of religion or interfering with its freedom to operate. That's all!
It most certainly *does* say that! To make a state religion means to *establish* such a religion. That is exactly the language and the purpose of the amendment.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#154 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But you have yet to give any coherent reason for thinking there *is* such a one. You chose to believe your myth and now think everyone should choose as you do.
First, no one has to believe, so I am not trying to make anyone do anything. I am simply trying to inform and help. And there are myriad reasons for believing in God and the Bible. Numerous books and articles and essays have been written about it by people vastly more knowledgeable about such things than you or me! The difference is, I am willing to open my heart and mind to God; you are not. So in the grand scheme, nothing I say is really going to matter to you anyway, unless you too open yourself up to the hope that is in Jesus and His word!

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#155 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. No, the Constitution protects religion FROM gov. intrusion, not the other way around. Why don’t you people confirm the foolish stuff you repeat rather than making yourselves look foolish?
2. Women do have roles in the church, yes, but that does not mean they are second class in general.
3. What about the child’s right to choose? Abortion is murder of the innocent and NO ONE has the right to choose that for anyone else. If women don’t want to get pregnant, then they should use protection of keep their legs closed!
Eliminate women from the workplace? Nope.
Keep them from contraceptives? Nope.
And what happens when contraceptive fail?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#156 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. The number of copies certainly relates to quality and accuracy of translation.
If that were true?

The weekly Wal Mart advertising paper would be the most accurate document of all recorded history...

.. for it has **certainly** "outsold" everything else, ever--since the dawn of writing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#157 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
4. Let's face it, it wouldn't matter if Moses appeared to you and directly told you what happened, you would not believe!
That would be amazing.

Seeing as how Moses is pure myth-- never existed as a historical person.

At all.

I'd be more likely to believe a Santa Claus, though-- far more believable than your fictional moses character.

... who was so high, he had a long conversation with...

....... shrubbery.

And not just **any** sort-- but **flaming** shrubbery!

.... riiiiight.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#158 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Regarding Moses’ freeing of the slaves, if you were the leader of a hedonistic nation like ancient Egypt and you just got your butt handed to you (and especially to your gods!) by a bunch of slaves, would you allow anyone to write about it?
Not up to the now-- DEAD pharaoh, is it?

Historians WILL WRITE what they will-- and if a Pharaoh just DIED?

The cause WILL be recorded-- we have plenty of examples in Egyptian histories where the Pharaoh died from LOSING, and why.

But here's the kicker:

If 10,000 slaves suddenly LEFT Egypt, without a backwards glance?

THAT WOULD HAVE RUINED THE ECONOMY.

No record of such an economic downturn-- none.

That **fact** alone?

Proves there never was an Exodus-- ever.

Just a silly story.

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