FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#118 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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I stand corrected. Was there really a need for the all caps?
I use the all caps here sometimes for emphasis, not screaming. Sorry!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#119 Aug 21, 2013
I_see_you wrote:
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Laws made by congress that are religious based should not be allowed.
I agree that they shouldn't be religious, as religion is a major problem in this world. I would clarify by saying Godly or God-based. Would that also be wrong?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#120 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Anti-gay laws passed because of you ugly True Believers™.
Anti-women too.
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See above.
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You tell kids lies-- that's abuse.
But what's worse? Your **leaders** have systematically raped kids for many-many years-- and your churches cover it all up.
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See above-- your ugly religion is behind ANTI-WOMEN laws limiting abortions, limiting women's contraceptives, limiting women's health clinics.
Just for starters.
Even worse? Your ugly cult teaches women they are SECOND CLASS, behind men.
That's horrid!
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By **ABUSING** them? By **DENYING** them rights?
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See?
You prove my points yourself...!
1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.

2. We do not tell our children lies. We tell our children about Christ and hope that they will live by His example and love God and others. Our teaching them hurts no one; you don't want to teach YOUR children the truth, don't do it, but don't try to tell us what we should and shouldn't teach our own kids! And while there are, of course, instances of pastors being accused of child molestation, the vast majority have been in the Catholic churches who are not truly Christian.

3. I love all of the ridiculous straw men you atheists love to destroy. But we do not hate women. In fact, we love women, which is why we are against infant "future women" and men, being murdered before they even have a chance to live! We are NOT against contraceptives unless they are just another form of infanticide, such as the day-after type of drug. And how exactly are we against women's health clinics? Except for those who slaughter innocent lives, we have no problems with them.

3. We do not consider women to be second-class, and we certainly don't condone harming them or denying them rights. You are confusing us with Islam, perhaps. The Bible never says that women are less than men; as a matter of fact, that God used a rib from man's SIDE is something that we consider proof that we should consider women as equals. You really need to get your facts straight BEFORE you falsely accuse!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#121 Aug 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Your entire "argument"?
IS ONE OF MIGHT MAKES RIGHT.
Here's a clue-- might DOES NOT make it right.
Just because you CAN?
Does not mean you should...!
Stop thinking like a tiny little human being for a moment(not a put-down; we all do it!). This is not a might-makes-right point it is a God is the originator of everything, including us, and has every right to do with his creation as He sees fit. Given that, He never does anything that isn't deserved or wrong. You cannot look at the supreme ruler of the universe the same way you'd look at a temperamental little HUMAN despot!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#122 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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That is the basis of many fictional stories.
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Not when there are so many who believe in the things that are not real.
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Hey,*you* are the one that believes in Santa here. We are simply pointing out that he isn't who you claim.
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You belief is a myth. I know you don't believe that, but it is. Furthermore, the deity you believe in, and therefore the morals you adhere to, are evil.
You are wrong. We do not believe in a myth. The Bible has more proof for its reliability than nearly any other ancient text out there. Do you realize that, while there not be any actual original writings surviving, there are vastly more manuscript copies than of many other texts? Histories such as those of Pliny, Caesar, Tacitus, and Plato, have only between 7 and 20 manuscripts; The Iliad has 643...the New Testament has over 5,600! The are numerous other reasons why the Bible is completely reliable and true, but I am sure it wouldn't matter what evidence could be provided, you would simply write it off as incorrect of biased or some other nonsense. You do not believe because you do not want to! And God will deal with you for calling Him evil; make no mistake!
Amused

Brookfield, MA

#123 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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You are wrong. We do not believe in a myth. The Bible has more proof for its reliability than nearly any other ancient text out there. Do you realize that, while there not be any actual original writings surviving, there are vastly more manuscript copies than of many other texts? Histories such as those of Pliny, Caesar, Tacitus, and Plato, have only between 7 and 20 manuscripts; The Iliad has 643...the New Testament has over 5,600! The are numerous other reasons why the Bible is completely reliable and true, but I am sure it wouldn't matter what evidence could be provided, you would simply write it off as incorrect of biased or some other nonsense. You do not believe because you do not want to! And God will deal with you for calling Him evil; make no mistake!
The number of copies made has no bearing on the truth of what's in the manuscript. So, you have plenty of evidence that the bible exists. I don't think anyone here seriously doubts that there is such a book as "the bible". Whether it is what it claims to be, or whether it is even an accurate rendering of the allegedly historical facts contained therein, is an entirely separate question.

If the bible were actually inspired by the being that created the universe, explain why it says the earth is immobile at the center of the universe while the sun is in orbit around the earth. One can readily understand how ancient man might have thought this, but wouldn't the actual creator know how his own creation was structured?

If the bible is historically accurate, explain why, despite the bible's account of the exodus, Egyptian records from the same time period fail to mention the presence of Jewish slaves in Egypt, Joseph as an aide to the pharaoh, the seven plagues, the sudden escape of a large number of slaves, or the drowning of the entire Egyptian army, while many more mundane events are recorded in records from Egypt from the same time frame. Do you think that no Egyptian thought the death of all first born Egyptians was such an unremarkable event that it was not worth noting?

Just two of the more obvious reasons why atheists are not impressed with the bible, no matter how many copies are in manuscript.
Amused

Brookfield, MA

#124 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Stop thinking like a tiny little human being for a moment(not a put-down; we all do it!). This is not a might-makes-right point it is a God is the originator of everything, including us, and has every right to do with his creation as He sees fit. Given that, He never does anything that isn't deserved or wrong. You cannot look at the supreme ruler of the universe the same way you'd look at a temperamental little HUMAN despot!
Explain, then, what the infant Egyptian first born did to 'deserve' being killed?
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#125 Aug 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Catholicism chose which books would be in your Bible.
Wrong. They "claim" to have done so in 390ad, but there is question as to that since the attendees where nothing like Catholics. Catholicism didn't really get completely finished with their twisting of the Bible and incorporation of paganism until around 500ad or so. Regardless, the first known "canon" was the "Muratorian Canon" in 170ad--long before Catholicism!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#126 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.
Bible-god is a RELIGION.

The CONSTITUTION strictly FORBIDS promoting your ugly, bigoted RELIGION over other, more sane varieties.

Fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
2. We do not tell our children lies.

Lie. Since it can be demonstrated, to 100%, that the bible is pretty much 100% LIES?

You do.

Fail.

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3. I love all of the ridiculous straw men you atheists love to destroy. But we do not hate women.
Lie. Your horrid BuyBull(bible) tells women that they are SECOND CLASS PEOPLE, unworthy of leadership roles.

Your ugly religion follows that bigotry too often.

Fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
3. We do not consider women to be second-class, and we certainly don't condone harming them or denying them rights.
Lie.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate abortions-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women in the workplace-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO WORK.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women's rights to proper contraceptives-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#127 Aug 21, 2013
Fixed the edit mistakes:
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.
Bible-god is a RELIGION.

The CONSTITUTION strictly FORBIDS promoting your ugly, bigoted RELIGION over other, more sane varieties.

Fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
2. We do not tell our children lies.
Lie. Since it can be demonstrated, to 100%, that the bible is pretty much 100% LIES?

You do.

Fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
3. I love all of the ridiculous straw men you atheists love to destroy. But we do not hate women.
Lie. Your horrid BuyBull(bible) tells women that they are SECOND CLASS PEOPLE, unworthy of leadership roles.

Your ugly religion follows that bigotry too often.

Fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
3. We do not consider women to be second-class, and we certainly don't condone harming them or denying them rights.
Lie.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate abortions-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women in the workplace-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO WORK.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

Your ugly religion wants to eliminate women's rights to proper contraceptives-- THAT IS STRIPPING A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MEDICAL CARE.

BECAUSE OF YOUR BIGOTED AND INSANE RELIGION.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#128 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Stop thinking like a tiny little human being for a moment(not a put-down; we all do it!).
My argument is 100% correct: you try to "justify" your god's HORRIBLE TREATMENT, because he CAN.

You seem to think that your god OWNS PEOPLE.

Like they were property or slaves!

That is horrid!

MIGHT DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT. Never has. Never will.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
This is not a might-makes-right point it is a God is the originator of everything, including us, and has every right to do with his creation as He sees fit.
SEE ABOVE!

You are wrong-- fail.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Given that, He never does anything that isn't deserved or wrong.
Bullsh3t. The ugly bible is FULL of your monster-god simply MURDERING someone for the most TRIVIAL of reasons!

THAT IS PURE EVIL!
FollowerofChrist wrote:
You cannot look at the supreme ruler of the universe the same way you'd look at a temperamental little HUMAN despot!
False.

I EXPECT SUPERIOR TO MERE HUMANS.

Your god?

Is not even close-- your god is an inferior product.

**I** am more moral that your hideous godling!

FOR I CAN FORGIVE WITHOUT SOMETHING NEEDING TO BE MURDERED FIRST.

Your god?

Cannot.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#129 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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You are wrong. We do not believe in a myth. The Bible has more proof for its reliability than nearly any other ancient text out there.
NAME EVEN ONE SUCH "PROOF".

We will wait in anticipation for your answer.

The Nobel Prize committee is standing by, for your proof--

-- THE FIRST-EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE PLANET.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#130 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Wrong. They "claim" to have done so in 390ad, but there is question as to that since the attendees where nothing like Catholics. Catholicism didn't really get completely finished with their twisting of the Bible and incorporation of paganism until around 500ad or so. Regardless, the first known "canon" was the "Muratorian Canon" in 170ad--long before Catholicism!
Nope-- there were **NO** bibles of ANY SORT, prior to Constantin's committee.

None.

To claim otherwise is to lie.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#131 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Stop thinking like a tiny little human being for a moment(not a put-down; we all do it!). This is not a might-makes-right point it is a God is the originator of everything, including us, and has every right to do with his creation as He sees fit. Given that, He never does anything that isn't deserved or wrong. You cannot look at the supreme ruler of the universe the same way you'd look at a temperamental little HUMAN despot!
Even when 'he' acts just like a temperamental human despot. Once again, I strongly disagree that the originator of an intelligence has a right to do whatever he sees fit with that invention. That is, ultimately, immoral.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#132 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Wrong. They "claim" to have done so in 390ad, but there is question as to that since the attendees where nothing like Catholics. Catholicism didn't really get completely finished with their twisting of the Bible and incorporation of paganism until around 500ad or so. Regardless, the first known "canon" was the "Muratorian Canon" in 170ad--long before Catholicism!
The attendees were also nothing like any modern Christian. The Bible was assembled to support the power of priests and the emperor.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#133 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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I use the all caps here sometimes for emphasis, not screaming. Sorry!
I'd suggest using *asterisks* instead. It keeps it from looking like screaming.
Amused

Brookfield, MA

#134 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.
...
Funny, your bible attributes to him exactly the same language "abomination" when he allegedly forbids eating shellfish, planting two crops in the same row, or wearing clothing made of more than one fiber. Which would mean is it just as sinful to eat a lobster or fried clams as it is to be gay. Your polyester/wool suit is as offensive to your god as gay sex. So, I guess of you are wearing a poly/cotton shirt while eating lobster, you are irredeemably hell-bound.'Specially if you had bacon and eggs for breakfast that day.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#135 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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You are wrong. We do not believe in a myth. The Bible has more proof for its reliability than nearly any other ancient text out there. Do you realize that, while there not be any actual original writings surviving, there are vastly more manuscript copies than of many other texts? Histories such as those of Pliny, Caesar, Tacitus, and Plato, have only between 7 and 20 manuscripts; The Iliad has 643...the New Testament has over 5,600! The are numerous other reasons why the Bible is completely reliable and true, but I am sure it wouldn't matter what evidence could be provided, you would simply write it off as incorrect of biased or some other nonsense. You do not believe because you do not want to! And God will deal with you for calling Him evil; make no mistake!
Your threats about your imaginary playmate don't bother me. yes, there are many, many copies of these texts. That doesn't make them correct, only popular.

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#136 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>I agree that they shouldn't be religious, as religion is a major problem in this world. I would clarify by saying Godly or God-based. Would that also be wrong?
It's in my opinion that any kind of law made that has been inspired by a god should not be a law. Simply because the laws of a god do not apply to everyone. So, yes, I think it should be wrong.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#137 Aug 21, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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1. Homosexuality is called abominable by God and is no different than the errors or premarital sex or adultery. Sin is sin.
Of these, only adultery is immoral and only because it is going against an agreement made with another person. Premarital sex should be encouraged as helpful in choosing a life partner.
2. We do not tell our children lies. We tell our children about Christ and hope that they will live by His example and love God and others.
You almost certainly lie about the reliability of the Bible when doing this.
Our teaching them hurts no one; you don't want to teach YOUR children the truth, don't do it, but don't try to tell us what we should and shouldn't teach our own kids!
No, I do not want to teach my children your lies. And that is the difference: I realize that your myths are lies and you do not.

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