Can anyone Prove there is no God?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#23 Aug 18, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
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And that is why you are just as bad as the Christians. You rant on and on about some belief that doesn't matter to any one but the one that believes or disbelieves.
You like them are incapable of having a logical conversation about a book without trying to push your beliefs off on others that just don't care what you believe in.
So how does it feel knowing you are just like them. Just like the people you complain about.
Or are you so far gone that you can't see beyond your BS just like them.
And that is a rhetoric lie question because
I
Don't
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What
You
Believe
Your near-total inability to use...

... common English?

Betrays you for what you are-- a moron, a troll, a True Believer™.

LOL!

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#24 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
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And that is why you are just as bad as the Christians. You rant on and on about some belief that doesn't matter to any one but the one that believes or disbelieves.
You like them are incapable of having a logical conversation about a book without trying to push your beliefs off on others that just don't care what you believe in.
So how does it feel knowing you are just like them. Just like the people you complain about.
Or are you so far gone that you can't see beyond your BS just like them.
And that is a rhetoric lie question because
I
Don't
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What
You
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Would you care if a non-christian religious group was trying to have their creation story taught to public school children as science by trying to change the way science is defined through legislation?

Would you care if a non-christian religious group was trying to have laws written that would dictate how you can live your life based on their interpretation of their religious book??

Would you just sit back and let them 'have at it'?

Why is it any different if it's the christians doing those things?
Amused

Merrimac, MA

#25 Aug 19, 2013
JesusMyKing wrote:
People keep asking us to prove there is a God.
People have believed in God for centuries, then science comes along and says there is no God.
The burden of proof is on science.
Can anyone prove there is no God?
People believed the world was flat and orbited by the sun, while the earth itself was immobile at the center of the universe for centuries. It wasn't. The belief was incorrect. Science showed us the correct answer.

The mere fact that a belief has been held by a large number of people, or for a long time has no bearing on whether it is true or not. Hindus have believed in hinduism for many centuries more than christians have believed in christianity. Does that mean that hinduism is more true? Communism was believed by the combined populations of the USSR and China, as well as eastern Europe. Did the fact that so many people believed in it make it a viable system?

The burden of proof always rests with the proponent of a claim. You are the one proposing the existence of an invisible being. It falls to you to prove it. The default position is always non-existence, whether the being proposed is god, leprechauns, the tooth fairy, santa, Russell's teapot, the flying spaghetti monster, giant invisible pink unicorns or honest lawyers. All of these are unfalsifiable, meaning that their existence cannot be conclusively disproved, although the evidence may suggest that the probability of their existence is minimal.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#27 Aug 19, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Would you care if a non-christian religious group was trying to have their creation story taught to public school children as science by trying to change the way science is defined through legislation?
Would you care if a non-christian religious group was trying to have laws written that would dictate how you can live your life based on their interpretation of their religious book??
Would you just sit back and let them 'have at it'?
Why is it any different if it's the christians doing those things?
They ARE doing just that! The group that is pushing their religion down our kids' throats is atheists, and their religion is evolution and long ages.

Atheists are also getting God removed from everything governmental as well. They ARE trying to dictate what we can believe through legislation such as Obamacare. Look at the persecution of Christianity in Egypt and even here in America!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#28 Aug 19, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Also with god, a godless universe is impossible.
Therefore the original assertion is proved invalid.
Therefore with god, not all things are possible.
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This is a silly concept that is as illogical as the tired old, "Is there a rock too heavy for God to lift." It is self-defeating and like asking if God could make a two-sided triangle. But it also presupposes an incorrect idea: that there is nothing God cannot do. This is not true because, in fact, God cannot lie, cheat, commit sin, etc. So Thinking, your "thinking" needs some work!:)
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#31 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
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Brother dont go there.
Christians shovel there BS more than need
I have not met one Christian that is worth taking his biblicle advice.
Christianity is a false teaching that goes against the bible they claim to go by.
Look around you. Most of what is wrong is due to Christian god bothering narrow minded incest ridden ignorance. I have known more atheist that know the bible better than Christians. Christians twist it till people get sick of hearing it. The Christian view of the bible is god can do anything so long as it doesn't go against my Christian beliefs. The woman that pushed for prayed to be removed from school was correct. The bible says you are not to pray in public. So do not think you are going to speak up against that guy. I have yet to talk to a Christian about the bible without them pushing there beliefs into the conversation.again
I
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It's a book
Lol! Um, yeah, we OBVIOUSLY are going to assert our beliefs! If we didn't then what conversation about the Bible could we have? I find it so interesting that people such as yourself always like to lump ALL Christians in with the ones who do bad things. First, many of those people are simply CALLING themselves Christian when in reality they have no idea what that means! Second, any Christian who DID do something bad doesn't make Christianity bad; it simply makes THEM poor Christians (there really is NO such thing as a "good Christian" anyway; only God is good!). No one ever said we were perfect or sin free; on the contrary, we DO sin. But thanks to Jesus we have salvation in spite of ourselves. Some of the greatest names in the OT did heinous acts: Moses and David were both murderers and David was an adulterer as well. Just because we do bad things doesn't mean that Christianity is bad, anymore than atheists doing bad things makes all atheists bad!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#32 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
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Dude that was so pathetic.
10 commandments and god broke all of them.
Make no image of god. God made man in his image.
God can not lie. Tell that to Moses.
Your beloved god said eat and die. So either Adam did die or god lied.
So please stop. Christianity has failed.
God said he was going to destroy all he created yet there were giants in those days.
Find someone that hasn't read the bible to pain that sh1t off on. Ok pumpkin.
Friend, you may have read it, but you have NOOOO understanding of the Bible. All of this is simply not true. God cannot break His commandments; He is the creator of the universe and everything in it. Therefore, He can do as He sees fit with it. But even not considering that, God is spirit so He has no literal "image." This simply meant that as His most special creation, we have some of His attributes, such as intellect, compassion, free will, etc. This has nothing to do with a physical image. I am not sure what you mean about Moses, but God did not lie him or to Adam; when he and Eve ate of the fruit, their relationship with God immediately died, and their bodies began to die. So He did speak the truth, they did die then and from that moment on. The giants were "in those days" BEFORE he destroyed the earth. Their corruption of mankind is WHY He brought the flood on them all.

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#34 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
See that is just my point. Christianity is one lump. One voice one God. Christians complain about atheist and atheist complain about Christians. Bottom line neither are any thing to count on. The history of Christianity is so bad that no matter what good it does it will never make up for the wrong it has done in the past. And as for my understanding of the bible. Well I find comfort that both Christians and atheist are set against me. Finally you two can agree on something. Hatred towed someone pointing out your false beliefs. Keep your beliefs to yourself and you won't have to deal with people like me. Each cult proclaims it can prove the other wrong. One by science and one by religion. I can prove both wrong on its own Christian by bible atheist by science. And both will continue to assert its false claims on others. Why don't you let the other alone and keep your beliefs to yourself. Me I have no beliefs to share with either one. Only what is,and that is proof from both teachings that they are both wrong. So long as neither side will take head to the other they are both worthless. So if I am wrong hen where are the others to set against me. Where is the proof I am wrong. Because you say so. You say much of nothing. Your own words prove you to be false. Neither of you can keep track of your own BS yet you poke one another. And now you have a common thread. Something to dislike more that one another. ME. My words that are set against each of yours. You don't like it. Then consider how the other feel when you do it to the other. You can't. You can't because you refuse to admit your both wrong. And that is proof that both of your so called beliefs are wrong.
One says not all self proclaimed Christians really are. And that I don't know what it means to be a Christian. Well if you are a example of love thy enemy then you are a poor example. Or you are a prime example.


So how long have you been on the fence?
Seems like the barb wire might be digging in.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#35 Aug 19, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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They ARE doing just that! The group that is pushing their religion down our kids' throats is atheists, and their religion is evolution and long ages.
Atheists are also getting God removed from everything governmental as well. They ARE trying to dictate what we can believe through legislation such as Obamacare. Look at the persecution of Christianity in Egypt and even here in America!
Good.

Your ugly hate-cult is on the decline-- and that is EXCELLENT progress.

No more HATE from you bigots.

No more ABUSED KIDS from you bigots.

No more ABUSED WOMEN from you bigots.

Progress!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#36 Aug 19, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
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So how long have you been on the fence?
Seems like the barb wire might be digging in.
You read that nonsensical wall-o-words?

I got bored about 5 words in.. and skipped on down.

He really does use 20 words to say nothing at all.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#37 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
See that is just my point. Christianity is one lump. One voice one God. Christians complain about atheist and atheist complain about Christians. Bottom line neither are any thing to count on. The history of Christianity is so bad that no matter what good it does it will never make up for the wrong it has done in the past. And as for my understanding of the bible. Well I find comfort that both Christians and atheist are set against me. Finally you two can agree on something. Hatred towed someone pointing out your false beliefs. Keep your beliefs to yourself and you won't have to deal with people like me. Each cult proclaims it can prove the other wrong. One by science and one by religion. I can prove both wrong on its own Christian by bible atheist by science. And both will continue to assert its false claims on others. Why don't you let the other alone and keep your beliefs to yourself. Me I have no beliefs to share with either one. Only what is,and that is proof from both teachings that they are both wrong. So long as neither side will take head to the other they are both worthless. So if I am wrong hen where are the others to set against me. Where is the proof I am wrong. Because you say so. You say much of nothing. Your own words prove you to be false. Neither of you can keep track of your own BS yet you poke one another. And now you have a common thread. Something to dislike more that one another. ME. My words that are set against each of yours. You don't like it. Then consider how the other feel when you do it to the other. You can't. You can't because you refuse to admit your both wrong. And that is proof that both of your so called beliefs are wrong.
One says not all self proclaimed Christians really are. And that I don't know what it means to be a Christian. Well if you are a example of love thy enemy then you are a poor example. Or you are a prime example.
No disrespect intended, but I'm curious why you see the science as wrong.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#39 Aug 19, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
<quoted text>Nothing wrong with science or religion. Both have there value and together they support one another. The people that try to use one to attack the others is the problem. Such as the guy that said giants in those days. He failed to continue with and in those days after. These guys that try so hard to prove the other wrong are going agains each ones teaching. Both use Darwin yet neither accept that Darwin was a priest. And never claimed man evolved from ape. He only used each as a reference com pairing there evolution. The guy said Adam did die but only in faith or whatever excuse he used. But according to the book Adam died , considering god did not lie , then turn to Ezekiel 16. It tells that another god saw him ( it gives a lieneage back to Adam ) dead in his own blood. And tells how this god dressed and clothed him. Now back to Guinness as it tells of more than one god that made man and even tell that those lived outside of Eden. Yet regardless these guys keep going back to there beliefs when the topic was about the story. Not there beliefs. And when I pointed it out they both stopped attacking one another and started attacking me. But not on basis of the story. First it was on my spelling and run on. Yet for all there complaining neither offered up anything to disprove what was said. They just keep going back to there beliefs. Myself I could not care less if there is or is not a god or several gods. According to the book is all that matters to me. The story itself. But both of them seem to have a problem talking about the book without pushing there beliefs off.does that answer your question?
Yes it did I think...:o). Another question though if you don't mind. Are you neither atheist nor christian, just a follower of the bible?
Thinking

Royston, UK

#41 Aug 20, 2013
god sin is meaningless if your alleged god gets to make up sin rules up as it goes along.

So follower, your following needs some work.
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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This is a silly concept that is as illogical as the tired old, "Is there a rock too heavy for God to lift." It is self-defeating and like asking if God could make a two-sided triangle. But it also presupposes an incorrect idea: that there is nothing God cannot do. This is not true because, in fact, God cannot lie, cheat, commit sin, etc. So Thinking, your "thinking" needs some work!:)

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#42 Aug 20, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
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Nothing wrong with science or religion. Both have there value and together they support one another. The people that try to use one to attack the others is the problem. Such as the guy that said giants in those days. He failed to continue with and in those days after. These guys that try so hard to prove the other wrong are going agains each ones teaching. Both use Darwin yet neither accept that Darwin was a priest. And never claimed man evolved from ape. He only used each as a reference com pairing there evolution. The guy said Adam did die but only in faith or whatever excuse he used. But according to the book Adam died , considering god did not lie , then turn to Ezekiel 16. It tells that another god saw him ( it gives a lieneage back to Adam ) dead in his own blood. And tells how this god dressed and clothed him. Now back to Guinness as it tells of more than one god that made man and even tell that those lived outside of Eden. Yet regardless these guys keep going back to there beliefs when the topic was about the story. Not there beliefs. And when I pointed it out they both stopped attacking one another and started attacking me. But not on basis of the story. First it was on my spelling and run on. Yet for all there complaining neither offered up anything to disprove what was said. They just keep going back to there beliefs. Myself I could not care less if there is or is not a god or several gods. According to the book is all that matters to me. The story itself. But both of them seem to have a problem talking about the book without pushing there beliefs off.does that answer your question?
Faith adds value to life, like the sweet the doctor gives you to distract you from the pain of injection.

Its a short-term manipulative distraction that keeps you ignorant if you ask for more.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#43 Aug 20, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Friend, you may have read it, but you have NOOOO understanding of the Bible. All of this is simply not true. God cannot break His commandments; He is the creator of the universe and everything in it. Therefore, He can do as He sees fit with it. But even not considering that, God is spirit so He has no literal "image." This simply meant that as His most special creation, we have some of His attributes, such as intellect, compassion, free will, etc. This has nothing to do with a physical image. I am not sure what you mean about Moses, but God did not lie him or to Adam; when he and Eve ate of the fruit, their relationship with God immediately died, and their bodies began to die. So He did speak the truth, they did die then and from that moment on. The giants were "in those days" BEFORE he destroyed the earth. Their corruption of mankind is WHY He brought the flood on them all.
People who choose to lie and say god is real, don't really understand how atheists think.
LCNlin

United States

#44 Aug 20, 2013
if this troll is an atheist can religion be wrong
LOL
Thinking

Royston, UK

#45 Aug 20, 2013
The fact that Dawkins can not 100% disprove the possibility of some form of deity is dishonestly taken by Lincock as conclusive proof of Lincock's personal god.
-Skeptic- wrote:
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People who choose to lie and say god is real, don't really understand how atheists think.
LCNlin

United States

#46 Aug 20, 2013
Defensiveness seems to be the atheist Defense Mechanism?
LOL
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#48 Aug 20, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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Rationales for not believing in a God include:
* the lack of empirical evidence,
* the problem of evil,
* the argument from inconsistent revelations,
* the argument from nonbelief.
source: wiki
of course these are good reasons for not believing in a God. They are not proof that there is no God. If one does not claim that there is no God, then one has no burden of proof. If one does not believe in a God, one can give sensible explanations of reasons for not believing.

the burden of proof is on the person who claims to know or to have proof. most atheists have sense enough not to claim to know or to have proof. some believers also have sense enough not to claim to know or to have proof - and they thus do not have a burden of proof. they can be asked what their reasons for believing are, and those reasons can be evaluated.

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#49 Aug 20, 2013
Decade_in_Ruin wrote:
<quoted text>I think it is obvious that I am not a Christian or an atheist. I do read the bible but as for fallow. Lets just say I find good in the teaching. But all that aside. It is just a book. People seem to enjoy using it to hurt others for some releasing. Both atheist and Christians. Yet neither side will talk about the writing without applying there own personal beliefs. I only believe that people that use the book fore more than a book of cool stories are nuts. I love reading it. I love talking about the story's. but like I said I could care less what anyone's beliefs are. I have heard both sides and neither side can use the book to prove there beliefs to be right. Talk about the story's and keep your fair to yourself. Your sole or absence of is no concern to me. Take it up with your god or non god. But keep that shat to yourself. I use to go to a book club. You read a book and then discuss it. You talk about what you understand about it. Not your faith. Try getting a Christian or an atheist to do that is like trying to get a dog to not lick its balls. I want to talk about the story's. that is in fact what the topic is about. Is it a fairy tail. Is the scarlet letter a true story. Is tail tail heart a true story. Is the pit and the penjulam a true story. Has any one read those. Odds are the two whimpering have not. Been years since I have. But I do not bass by beliefs on those. Nore do I try to use those to proclaim what I say is true. It is just a book. What you learn from it and how you use that knowlage in your personal life is your business so keep it to yourself is all I am saying. If you can not then I suggest you see a specialist. Many medication is needed. But in the end I do not care what your beliefs are.
I hope that this does not make you angry because I will just be stating an observation, but I think I understand where you are frustrated. It sounds as though you would like for both believers and non believers to look at the bible as just a regular book, but (I know you didn't ask, but I feel the need to say it) the bible is a religious based book, so to expecting a christian to see it as "just a book" is exactly what all non believers would like to happen, and that is one of the main things that you will hear a non-believer trying to explain.

I also wonder why you are on a forum in topix (which is a site built for anonymous debate and personal opinions to be posted) giving your opinion on a matter, but expecting to not receive them in return. Understand I am not trying to be hateful, I just wanted to ask in a kind way why you don't see how the bible cannot be construed as a faith based book?

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