Circumcision is assault according to German Court. SMF response

Jul 7, 2012 Full story: www.secularmedicalforum.org.uk

The Secular Medical Forum applauds the decision taken this week in the German courts that 'a child's right to physical integrity trumps religious and parental rights' following a circumcision operation on a young boy for no medical reason that led to medical complications.

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Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#1 Jul 7, 2012
There goes another of God's ridiculous laws.

It must be difficulty being a deity when your own creation is smarter than you.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#2 Jul 8, 2012
Two boys in New York have died from herpes contracted during "circumcision".

The pedophilic rabbis fellate the penises (sucking blood off by mouth), which transmit the herpes to the boys.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/07/circ...

If those sucking off the boys were gay people with HIV/AIDS, we'd never hear the end of it. But because religion is involved, criticism of the health risk is labelled "anti-semitism".
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#3 Jul 8, 2012
What is fascinating is that people will defend this practice left and right, whether theist or atheist based on the idea that your child is your possession.
Sure, the godbots add a religious component but the fact is that there is no defensible reason to circumcise a little boy any more than there is a reason to remove the external genitalia of a little girl (other than to correct a recognized medical problem). This is a decision for an adult to make about themselves, not for adults to make about helpless children.

And I will admit that I was circumcised as a baby, and that I decided to have my sons circumcised as well, years ago. I now regret this; honest reflection is that I subconsciously wanted my sons to 'look like me' and most of the men around me as well (very few are not circumcised). I apologized to my sons and explained this when they were old enough to understand. One thinks it was no big deal, the other was somewhat angry that I didn't let him choose for himself.

Since: Sep 10

Earth

#4 Jul 8, 2012
IRYW wrote:
What is fascinating is that people will defend this practice left and right, whether theist or atheist based on the idea that your child is your possession.
There are laws in places holding parents responsible for refusing medical treatment on "religious grounds" if a child dies because of it. And some countries are trying to hold parents responsible for female genital mutilation. Why should this be treated any different?

If the person is not an adult then consent is not possible, and such "surgery" should be illegal in ALL cases.
IRYW wrote:
And I will admit that I was circumcised as a baby, and that I decided to have my sons circumcised as well, years ago. I now regret this; honest reflection is that I subconsciously wanted my sons to 'look like me' and most of the men around me as well (very few are not circumcised). I apologized to my sons and explained this when they were old enough to understand. One thinks it was no big deal, the other was somewhat angry that I didn't let him choose for himself.
Fathers who mutilate their sons because they were mutilated themselves are not doing it to "fit in" as much as making others share their own agony, taking it out on the defenseless. Or just being woefully uninformed.

I don't have any kids (never mind sons), but if I do I'll say this to any Mengele...I mean, doctor who talks about it:

"If you attempt to cut of my son's foreskin without my permission, I'll cut the skin off your skull. You sure as hell don't have his permission."

Ryan McAllister of Georgetown University made a video debunking all the claims of "benefits" as well as the dangers and damage it causes.

Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital


As thorough as the video is, McAllister failed to mention two other disgusting parts of the practice:

(1) "Circumcision" is mutilation for profit. Hospitals charge money to molest and mutilate boys, and then they sell the skin as part of "beauty treatments" for adult women.

(2) Hospitals NEVER anaesthetize the boys. One of the most sensitive pieces of skin on the human body (second only to the fingertips) is cut off WITHOUT anaesthetic. Imagine a doctor tying YOU down and doing open heart surgery without anaesthetic. You'd be screaming as much as that little boy in the video.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#5 Jul 8, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
<quoted text>
...Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Ceht-3xu84IXX
As thorough as the video is, McAllister failed to mention two other disgusting parts of the practice:
(1) "Circumcision" is mutilation for profit. Hospitals charge money to molest and mutilate boys, and then they sell the skin as part of "beauty treatments" for adult women.
(2) Hospitals NEVER anaesthetize the boys. One of the most sensitive pieces of skin on the human body (second only to the fingertips) is cut off WITHOUT anaesthetic. Imagine a doctor tying YOU down and doing open heart surgery without anaesthetic. You'd be screaming as much as that little boy in the video.
Thanks for this PS.
I think religionists should be put on notice that child mutilation may be banned by future legislation and that there might then be a case for it to be made retrospective to some degree. I wouldn't favor it personally, but many people might not mind if doctors faced prosecution at some future date for the cult activity of "circumcision" (i.e. mutilation) they practice today.

I wonder how practitioners would feel about a class action suit in ten or twenty years time when they thought they had a nice, quiet retirement ahead of them?

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