Atheists who say Atheism is a Religion

Atheists who say Atheism is a Religion

There are 354 comments on the About.com story from Jan 15, 2011, titled Atheists who say Atheism is a Religion. In it, About.com reports that:

The claim that atheism is a religion is more often heard from religious theists -- and Christians in particular -- than from atheists.

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nina

Canada

#1 Jan 15, 2011
that would be: none
Desan

Winchester, KY

#2 Jan 15, 2011
I like to keep my views and ties away from religion as far as possible.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Murfreesboro, TN

#3 Jan 16, 2011
The confusion probably stems from the way statisticians classify religious self-identification. Since atheists and agnostics have to be classified under that system and the heading is "religion," sloppy thinkers and debaters who specialize in using quickly glossed over fallacies as part of their arguments use that classification to assert that atheism is a religion. We see that pattern in ever thread on the atheism forum. Tiresome, isn't it?

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#4 Jan 16, 2011
atheism is a religion, like bald is a hair color.

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#5 Jan 17, 2011
Well, there are some as stated in the article, this is an excerpt.

"He seems to be insisting that, as an atheist, it isn't possible for him to qualify as a "religious nut-job." However, if atheism really is a religion, then it isn't possible to assert "Being an atheist, it's not possible for me to qualify as a religious nut-job." If atheism is a religion and G-Man is an atheist, then G-Man is religious and eminently qualified to be a religious nut-job. G-Man wants to have it both ways: he doesn't want to be accused of being a religious nut-job and uses his atheism to fend that off, but he also wants to argue that atheism is a religion so as to level the field between atheists and Christians. Logic doesn't allow this, though."

The "he" is a poster on some forum called G-Man.

Article is quite interesting, but it seems to concentrate on this one man who is stating such, the author is not writing that all atheists state this, but some. I think of it as having no belief in any God, I think that is the appropriate definition.
nina wrote:
that would be: none

“Stand Up for What You Believe!”

Since: Sep 08

La mia bell'Italia

#8 Jan 17, 2011
Do you even comment on the topics at all?
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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That's why the "The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" was conceived and executed by a smart athiest.
Just to push back against deluded imbeciles like you.
And it worked.
The have to give the FSM equal time in Crossville TN, of all places!
Praize!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#13 Jan 18, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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Bigfoot is over on another forum right now. ;)
(And I was only kidding about the FSM. I commune with him every time I have linguini with clam sauce. ;D
Mmmmmmm.... pasta.....

... dammit, now you've got me thinking about rotinni or some lasagna or somesuch....

... an' I really don' wanna get out this late.

Because drunken christians are on the prowl at this time 'o night, and one is apt to be blindsided by a car sporting a little fish on it's ass.

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#15 Jan 18, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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I think of pasta dishes practically nonstop around here. There's no decent restaurants -- let alone ones where you can order decent Italian! And even if they were, nothing stays open late around here. I live under x-ian "blue laws," you see.
If they can't burn you, at least they can still make your secular life miserable by making you unable to order wine in a restaurant! And as a drunken x-ian, you're STILL free to drink beer in your pickup and chuck the cans and bottles on the side of the road.
I'm sure it all makes perfect sense to the christards, though! ;)
(If I want good pasta, I have to make it myself, and it's hard to find the needed ingredients around here too.)
I'm not that particular about pasta myself.

Sure, I've purchased fresh-from-the-cold-section pasta, what takes 30 seconds or so to cook. It was good.

But, alas to these old and unsophisticated taste-buds, it was not enough better to usurp the traditional dried varieties, which are easier to store, even if they take longer to cook to aldente.

As I age, I even get lazy about the sauce-- even the cheapsh!t sauce can be helped with a liberal dose of spices and whatnot.

And bad pasta is still better than no pasta, I always say.

:)

To me? Pasta is kinda like pumpkin pie. The best pumpkin pie you ever ate was not significantly different from the worst you ever ate-- both were edible, but neither was all that noteworthy.

Pumpkin pie, to me, is a lesson in mediocrity-- it's just an excuse to eat nutmeg.(pumpkin-pie observation credit: Garrison Kellor)

From where I sit, in the middle of steak-and-mashed-potato (no skins!) land? With overcooked mush standing in for real fresh veggies?

Pasta is also a lesson in mediocrity-- you simply cannot get any that is noteworthy.

Sauce, on the other hand.... that can range from amazing to barely spiced tomato sauce.

We have a middle-of-the-road quality franchise in my city: Spaghetti Warehouse. It's decor is Early 20th Century Industrial. The pasta is as expected, not noteworthy. But the sauces they serve are pretty darn good. Pity it's priced too high for what you get, though.

There's a few other pseudo-Italian places, but they are exorbitantly overpriced for what is basically spiced-tomato sauce over dried wheat-and-water paste that was boiled for 6 minutes...

;)

I used to make a mean spaghetti sauce myself, entirely from scratch: from fresh tomatoes right on up to butcher-purchased sausage. I'd make it over a day or so, then freeze single-serving proportions for later.

Too much work, just for me: as I said? I'm not that picky anymore.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#18 Jan 18, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
...still doesn't taste like HERS ....
Oh yeah -- and the ubiquitous glutinous cheese sauce -- which apparently, they can't get enough of around here.
Please....the "cheesy" sauce has never seen the inside of either a cow, a goat or a sheep...

... but it does possess ingredients that were dredged up from deep, deep underground.... you know... petroleum?

Real cheese is never homogenized, boiled, heated or pasteurized in any way-- it's the original "fast food".

:)

Well... once you get past the aging process, it is... it's the original ready-to-eat, pre-packaged on the trail food.

And yes, if you haven't guessed by now?

I'm a cheese snob.

Life is simply to short to be otherwise-- so much delicious cheese, do little time...

:D

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Because of the congealed slab of vegetable shortening colored bright orange is what is favored to contaminate all "cheese" burgers around here? I abhor them.

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On the other hand? Sometimes I'm lazy enough to make Kraft's macaroni and "cheesy-stuff". What makes it palatable, though, is eliminate the shortening (margarine), eliminate the skim milk. Substitute a 1/2 cup of low fat (or no-fat) plain yogurt instead.

The yogurt adds that tangy creaminess that the orange powder lacks... especially if you also put in other spices, such as Tony Chachere's creole seasoning... mmmm... spicy!

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#19 Jan 18, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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I now judge all sauce (pasta is not even of primary importance, for the dry stuff is just as good as the freshly made), by the sauce made by a little Italian grandmother. Although she was a witch, she made sauce that would bring you to your knees. She taught me to make it, but it still doesn't taste like here. It will pass, though.
This place is hopeless -- like you say -- bad meat (which I don't even eat), flavorless, watery vegetables (if there's any at all), and everything soaked in grease.
As you might say -- BLECHHHH.
I wish my taste buds would finally die altogether so I wouldn't care anymore. ;)
I have this theory, that grandmothers-- especially the witchy kind-- were the original chemists.

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#22 Jan 18, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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Absolutely, I agree. The only reason more were not burned during the middle ages was because of their culinary talents. ;)
That and the fact that their homebrew remedies actually worked some of the time.

In direct contrast with the priest's magical spells invoking Jeebuz...

;)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#24 Jan 19, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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That's one of the few benefits of living in a near-primitive culture (the south)-- they still have those old recipes -- and they actually *work* more often than not.
What most people fail to understand is that even drugs that are accepted as analgesics are taken from plants -- like common aspirin. Another old (Spanish) witch told me to press a quarter to a bump I had on my palm many years ago. After doing this a few times, it disappeared.
Of course, had you pressed a nickel, you'd still have the bump, right?

Perhaps a washer would do?

LOL!

Maybe it was just something to do, while your body repaired itself?

:)

Some old remedies were useful, many were just hogwash-- buying time, to allow the natural healing process to have a go.

Often, many were simply keeping up one's strength with fuel (food), while the natural process was at work.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#27 Jan 19, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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It probably would have dissolved on its own, but it "appeared" to work, so I didn't complain. But a washer probably would have worked. It's mostly the medicinal stuff that really does work.
She did specify that the quarter had to have some silver in it, or it would not work.
She was just such a fascinating little entity -- like a window to the past. She said that in Spain, she was the model for the lady on the cigar box (forgot which brand), but you probably know the one I'm referring to.
I believed her, because approaching 100 years old, she still had vestiges of her former beauty, and kept her hair dyed coal black.
Well, there >>is<< something to silver and antibiotic it turns out...

:)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#28 Jan 19, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
What most people fail to understand is that even drugs that are accepted as analgesics are taken from plants -- like common aspirin.
That's right. And opiates come from poppies, and capsaicins come from peppers. Both are analgesics.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#32 Jan 20, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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There's something to Terrence McKenna's hypothesis that the brain recognizes and neutralizes -- or synthesizes -- I forget how he put it -- hallucinogens such as DMT (which the abbreviated long chemical name) and psylocybin, as compared to say, LSD, and other man-made compounds.
It was fascinating to read the books written by him and his brother Dennis from so long ago -- and how there is just no writing comparable to that anymore. If is as if these substances opened up an already beautifully functioning brain to almost infinite flights of pure inspiration.
He even postulated a theory of where impulses to religion originated. There's absolutely nothing I've read that compares to it when it comes to pure speculative genius.
I used to listen to tapes of McKenna every week in the early nineties on KPFK Pacifica Radio in Los Angeles. Here he is discussing hemp in a radio interview on KPFK :


Here are some transcriptions of some of those talks :
http://www.lycaeum.org/nepenthes/McKenna/
Richard

Merrylands, Australia

#33 Jan 20, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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That and the fact that their homebrew remedies actually worked some of the time.
In direct contrast with the priest's magical spells invoking Jeebuz...
;)
Thats why they were burnt. The priests did not like the competition.
These days I think it is called a hostile takeover.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#35 Jan 20, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
[Terrence McKenna] said that as he was coming to the end of his life, watching a beetle making it's way across a leaf (paraphrasing) would make him weep.
That statement nearly made me do so.
The unbearable lightness of being. Secular spirituality. I doubt that that kind of experience was limited to the end of his life. I've felt that way, and still do often. The beauty of existence just causes you to collapse emotionally.

Does that make atheism a religion? Not to me. Religion tends to stifle such emotions. It redirects attention away from the world, which it demeans. Worldly is a derogatory term to a Christian.

Instead, they look down into a bible or up to a ceiling fan when they should be experiencing our world and marveling at it - weeping at beetles, for example.

And they wait for Jesus and his giant ball of fire to come to take them away from it all and destroy it and wicked humanity with it.

Then they call it love.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#37 Jan 20, 2011
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's right. And opiates come from poppies, and capsaicins come from peppers. Both are analgesics.
But who was the first person that figured out that boiled bark of certain trees, was a pain-killer?(aspirin)....

I tell you: it was a poor wife of some lazy slob who was too cheap to buy real tea, so this enterprising woman noticed that wet wood would stain water light brown, and put 2 and 2 together.

Although as a tea, her boiled-bark was a failure? As a medicine, it was a resounding success....

... Kudos to that observant and clever individual-- whoever she was.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#38 Jan 20, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
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There's something to Terrence McKenna's hypothesis that the brain recognizes and neutralizes -- or synthesizes -- I forget how he put it -- hallucinogens such as DMT (which the abbreviated long chemical name) and psylocybin, as compared to say, LSD, and other man-made compounds.
It was fascinating to read the books written by him and his brother Dennis from so long ago -- and how there is just no writing comparable to that anymore. If is as if these substances opened up an already beautifully functioning brain to almost infinite flights of pure inspiration.
He even postulated a theory of where impulses to religion originated. There's absolutely nothing I've read that compares to it when it comes to pure speculative genius.
Well, of course artificial brain-chemicals simulate natural ones-- else the artificial ones would likely not work.

Aside from a simple blocking effect, such as what you get with paint fumes with those idiots who "huff" spraypaint-- that's simply blocking oxygen to the brain, which leads to anoxia which can cause euphoria and mild hallucinations. You can get the same effect with oxygen deprivation-- as witnessed by astronaut training. But either method is quite dangerous--permanent brain damage is too easy to do, here.

But for morphine? It closely simulates natural human hormones, which are pain killers. LSD simulates other natural neurochemicals the body creates to make the neurons 'go'.

And if you overload the body with these artificial chemicals? You get other side-effects. Like death. Not good.

;)

LSD always scared the crap outta me, though: it is apparently like lead or mercury-- once in the body, it never goes away... so I kept clear of it.

Come to think of it, I've pretty much kept clear of all chemicals that affect the brain-- mainly because the brain is where >>I<< live, and I'm loathe to break that 'house'.

:)

"If women don't find you handsome? Make sure they find you handy." --- Red Green.

A smart and/or educated man can always be handy, if not all that strong or handsome....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#39 Jan 20, 2011
QUEEN OF THE DANGED wrote:
Thanks for your continued pearls tossed into the pig pen of thiesm. I think they are important -- but only to those who are capable of taking in your full meaning. And that's enough for me.
I agree: keep tossing those pearls.

If we get enough pearls into that mud?

We can literally walk on dry pearls over the mud beneath...

:)

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