Non-Theistic Christianity

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There was a time when one could be assured that it was only the fool who denied the existence of God.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#42 Aug 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Makes no difference, Atheist or Christian, Buddhist or Muslim, devout Hindu or any religion, people are accountable to the Creator, Jehovah God. That means anyone alive has to pay for his sins with his death, the penalty for sinning is death.
Romans 6:23
It is only the true Christian witness of Jehovah God that has the hope of surviving the end of this world and never having to die at Armageddon. That is a good reason to study your Bible with Jehovah's witnesses, to have the prospect of eternal life in God's new world of righteousness, and by getting your sins forgiven by the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God.
Revelation 7:14
Matthew 25:34
Your organization insists that the name of your god is jehovah, a word that means "god of mischief" in Hebrew. The word was originally intended to phonetically pronounce the tetragrammaton believing saying the name of GOD outloud had magical power. In that it failed but you just can't accept a major flaw in your doctrine.

How can your leaders claim to be divinely inspired when they can't even get the name right? And more importantly, how can you fall for it?

You should research the history of your religion a little bit before you make all of your claims. Everything I have been saying about your absurd bloodthirsty god sitting on his throne in the Pleiades star cluster in multiple threads here on topix can be confirmed from your own literature.

Don't you think it would be better for you to open your eyes to reality? It might not be as terrifying as you have been led to believe.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#43 Aug 22, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Your organization insists that the name of your god is jehovah, a word that means "god of mischief" in Hebrew. The word was originally intended to phonetically pronounce the tetragrammaton believing saying the name of GOD outloud had magical power. In that it failed but you just can't accept a major flaw in your doctrine.
How can your leaders claim to be divinely inspired when they can't even get the name right? And more importantly, how can you fall for it?
You should research the history of your religion a little bit before you make all of your claims. Everything I have been saying about your absurd bloodthirsty god sitting on his throne in the Pleiades star cluster in multiple threads here on topix can be confirmed from your own literature.
Don't you think it would be better for you to open your eyes to reality? It might not be as terrifying as you have been led to believe.
Interesting. I did not know that re: "jehovah".

Thanks

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#44 Aug 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Interesting. I did not know that re: "jehovah".
Thanks
If you study the history of the religion it is really bizarre.

Both Judge Rutherford and Charles Taz Russel were enamored with an occult novel called Selena that was written in the late 1800s by a lady who claimed she channeled it from a repentant demon.

Much of the strange theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses comes from this book which was later reprinted at the encouragement of Judge Rutherford as "Angels and women".( you can download it from archive.org )

Their most hilarious belief in my humble opinion is the belief in the god that Judge Rutherford created from the pages of the novel, Angels and women, and than gave this god a name nobody else was using for their church thinking it would make his church stand out by being the only church spreading the name of god.:)

It does make them stand out alright, but not in the way Judge Rutherford wanted it to. Here is a short article on the astronaut god who's angels travel at almost the speed of light from the center of the Pleiades star cluster to earth to relay their god's messages to the ruling class of the Jehovah's Witnesses:

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/jehovah.html

To be fair to their leaders, they renounced Judge Rutherford's claim that their god's throne was in the Pleiades star cluster after he died out of fear that the laity would start engaging in star worship and today they claim that they aren't sure where their god is :)

Most of the Jehovah's Witnesses know nothing of the history of the organization except what the leaders want them to know.

I was born and raised in the organization and was just as ignorant as the rest of them of their history until I got kicked out for taking LSD in the 60s and was forced to reexamine my whole life.

But as hilarious as their history is, their bloodbath theology is not so funny and has made the childhood of many people a living nightmare with their parent's obsession with the bloodbath of Armageddon. I know it made my childhood rough!

Oh! And to comply with staying on the subject of the post,

you can practice a non-theological form of Christianity that is actually much closer to what was actually believed in by the early Christians.

The first step is to become an atheist. What is is of infinite complexity. Most of it is a complete mystery to us. But it is what it is.

It's all in how you define the word "god". I define the word "god" to denote the totality of what is.

I don't project my preconceived notions onto the universe but try to become as clearly aware of it as I can. And I insist the totality of what is can't be studied as a whole but only experienced as life itself.

Theology is the study of god(s). The inverse of a theist would be an "atheist".

Well, here it is one a.m. and I couldn't sleep so I came down here to the computer room to make a long winded post to bore myself to sleep. I think I will go back to bed !:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#45 Aug 23, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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If you study the history of the religion it is really bizarre.
Both Judge Rutherford and Charles Taz Russel were enamored with an occult novel called Selena that was written in the late 1800s by a lady who claimed she channeled it from a repentant demon.
Much of the strange theology of the Jehovah's Witnesses comes from this book which was later reprinted at the encouragement of Judge Rutherford as "Angels and women".( you can download it from archive.org )
Their most hilarious belief in my humble opinion is the belief in the god that Judge Rutherford created from the pages of the novel, Angels and women, and than gave this god a name nobody else was using for their church thinking it would make his church stand out by being the only church spreading the name of god.:)
It does make them stand out alright, but not in the way Judge Rutherford wanted it to. Here is a short article on the astronaut god who's angels travel at almost the speed of light from the center of the Pleiades star cluster to earth to relay their god's messages to the ruling class of the Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.seanet.com/~raines/jehovah.html
To be fair to their leaders, they renounced Judge Rutherford's claim that their god's throne was in the Pleiades star cluster after he died out of fear that the laity would start engaging in star worship and today they claim that they aren't sure where their god is :)
Most of the Jehovah's Witnesses know nothing of the history of the organization except what the leaders want them to know.
I was born and raised in the organization and was just as ignorant as the rest of them of their history until I got kicked out for taking LSD in the 60s and was forced to reexamine my whole life.
But as hilarious as their history is, their bloodbath theology is not so funny and has made the childhood of many people a living nightmare with their parent's obsession with the bloodbath of Armageddon. I know it made my childhood rough!
Oh! And to comply with staying on the subject of the post,
you can practice a non-theological form of Christianity that is actually much closer to what was actually believed in by the early Christians.
The first step is to become an atheist. What is is of infinite complexity. Most of it is a complete mystery to us. But it is what it is.
It's all in how you define the word "god". I define the word "god" to denote the totality of what is.
I don't project my preconceived notions onto the universe but try to become as clearly aware of it as I can. And I insist the totality of what is can't be studied as a whole but only experienced as life itself.
Theology is the study of god(s). The inverse of a theist would be an "atheist".
Well, here it is one a.m. and I couldn't sleep so I came down here to the computer room to make a long winded post to bore myself to sleep. I think I will go back to bed !:)
Again, interesting post. Thanks.

I'll just add this:

If the total sum of the universe is defined as "god", would not study **of** the universe be the **ultimate** in worship?

Just a thought.
True Christian witness

Bartlesville, OK

#46 Aug 23, 2013
Jesus said: The blind will lead the blind, and they will both fall in the pit. Matthew 15:14

Ex-Jehovah's witnesses are the blind and any who agree with them are also blind, too bad.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#47 Aug 23, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jesus said: The blind will lead the blind, and they will both fall in the pit. Matthew 15:14
Ex-Jehovah's witnesses are the blind and any who agree with them are also blind, too bad.
Liars with no evidence are not respected in this day and age.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#48 Aug 23, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jesus said: The blind will lead the blind, and they will both fall in the pit. Matthew 15:14
Irony bells are ringing: that a mentally blind person should write such a claim...!

Too FUNNY!

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#49 Aug 23, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Jesus said: The blind will lead the blind, and they will both fall in the pit. Matthew 15:14
Ex-Jehovah's witnesses are the blind and any who agree with them are also blind, too bad.
The blind leading the blind would be those who refuse to admit their errors and cling to falsehoods to support their theology, such as clinging to the erroneous hybrid error, "jehovah".

If you are so certain you have the truth of your existence True Christian witness, why do you not present proofs for what you are claiming? Circular reasoning doesn't count, neither do your leaders interpretations of scripture used to support their failed prophecies again and again.

I am an ex-jehovah's witness. I have researched your organization from both the inside and the outside. You, True Christian witness, on the other hand, barely know what goes on on the inside.

Insulting me and calling me blind because I point out flaws in your doctrine that you have yet to defend other than to call me and others names is really helping those curious about your organization to see who the blind truly are and the total lack of substance in what they claim to be the truth of our existence.

I post here on topix to help free the young people from the insanity of the bloodbath theology you are preaching that I had to endure growing up, trapped in a sick cult based on hate and fear.

No sane person could accept a god that would have 99.97 percent of the human race hacked to death by angels in a battle called Armageddon simply for not joining a specific church!

Wake up True Christian witness!!! It's not to late to find the real truth of your existence!

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#50 Aug 23, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Again, interesting post. Thanks.
I'll just add this:
If the total sum of the universe is defined as "god", would not study **of** the universe be the **ultimate** in worship?
Just a thought.
Well, it would except we are beginning to find that the nature of the consciousness that is the foundation of what is is holographic. We can study the parts, but we can not study the whole and when we separate it into parts in order to study it the meaning of the whole is lost. David Bohm explains it pretty well in his book, Wholeness and The Implicate Order'.

Here is a short article with an simple overview of David Bohm's ideas:

http://www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_sol/plenum/...

But you are right sort of. Living life we are studying it with our whole being. So you could say that if we define the word "god" to denote the totality of what is, we are all theists in that sense with relative degrees of conscious awareness of what we are studying.

The worship we engage in is the evolution of consciousness we share totally as the human race. I don't know anyone who could build a particle accelerator in their garage with a few friends to help :)

I don't know if you ever read Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a strange land" The hero, Valentine Michael Smith was born on Mars after his parent's spaceship crashed and the parents died of their injuries. But before the mother died she gave birth to Valentine Michael Smith.

Never haven seen a human before the Martians raised him as best they could. It's a fascinating novel, but anyway...,,,

One word in the Martian vocabulary was "Grok". To grok something was to grasp it in it's entirety. This is how we have to approach the mystery of what is.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#51 Aug 23, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Well, it would except we are beginning to find that the nature of the consciousness that is the foundation of what is is holographic. We can study the parts, but we can not study the whole and when we separate it into parts in order to study it the meaning of the whole is lost. David Bohm explains it pretty well in his book, Wholeness and The Implicate Order'.
Here is a short article with an simple overview of David Bohm's ideas:
http://www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_sol/plenum/...
But you are right sort of. Living life we are studying it with our whole being. So you could say that if we define the word "god" to denote the totality of what is, we are all theists in that sense with relative degrees of conscious awareness of what we are studying.
The worship we engage in is the evolution of consciousness we share totally as the human race. I don't know anyone who could build a particle accelerator in their garage with a few friends to help :)
I don't know if you ever read Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a strange land" The hero, Valentine Michael Smith was born on Mars after his parent's spaceship crashed and the parents died of their injuries. But before the mother died she gave birth to Valentine Michael Smith.
Never haven seen a human before the Martians raised him as best they could. It's a fascinating novel, but anyway...,,,
One word in the Martian vocabulary was "Grok". To grok something was to grasp it in it's entirety. This is how we have to approach the mystery of what is.
I remember "Grok".:)

The problem with the concept, is that we humans are forever limited to just our 5 senses-- we cannot comprehend what it means to use other than these 5.

For example, sharks have an "electrical" sense different from anything we have-- this organic "life sensor" can detect the minute electrical currents that creatures in the water emit. We can only guess what that would be like.

So examining the "wholeness" will perforce be limited to us.

But it's an interesting concept.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#52 Aug 24, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I remember "Grok".:)
The problem with the concept, is that we humans are forever limited to just our 5 senses-- we cannot comprehend what it means to use other than these 5.
For example, sharks have an "electrical" sense different from anything we have-- this organic "life sensor" can detect the minute electrical currents that creatures in the water emit. We can only guess what that would be like.
So examining the "wholeness" will perforce be limited to us.
But it's an interesting concept.
Have you ever experienced intuition? Have you ever had a premonition? Have you ever had a lucid dream?

There is much more to us than most people are willing to accept and most of it happens to all of us on a daily basis.

The human brain is not capable of doing the computations it does unless we accept that it stores memory holographically and than is able to translate this information in a condensed form into the linear structure that our language is built on.

Since the brain does work quite well it would appear that the brain is indeed holographic in nature and has the potential to grok the whole.

Until the holographic model was proposed we had no working model or general theory of biological memory.

Here is an article exploring this theory in detail:

http://structurevisualspacegroup.blogspot.com...

From my own personal experience I find the holographic consciousness to be the intuitive part of me that merges with the greater consciousness that is the foundation of the Cosmos and it works quite well when my ego doesn't get in the way.

A phrase has been used by mystics for centuries, "The macrocosm and the microcosm". It was said that the microcosm contains the whole (macrocosm). If we accept recent findings concerning the holographic nature of the cosmos and the human brain in how it stores memory this becomes perfectly understandable.

I can't say I have groked the Cosmos completely yet but I am working on it and obtaining exciting results.

With the confirmation of Bell's theory on entangled particles, and the work being done in Cern, Switzerland on detecting the holographic matrix supporting the Cosmos and other experiments being done, we are that much closer to confirming the true nature of the Cosmos.

Here is a somewhat speculative article on the higgs boson or as some call it, the god particle:

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-god-partic...

Nothing has been conclusively proven yet but David Bohm did the math before he died and everything fits! If this is true it will vindicate Albert Einstein who said ""GOD doesn’t play dice!" to express his misgivings with the The Copenhagen interpretation.

According to my experiences the observations of both Albert Einstein and David Bohm is right on!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#53 Aug 24, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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Have you ever experienced intuition? Have you ever had a premonition? Have you ever had a lucid dream?
I have lucid dreams every night-- in fact, those are all that I have. It's been that way since I was a child. You have a point?
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
There is much more to us than most people are willing to accept and most of it happens to all of us on a daily basis.
Sure. But none of it, so far, has proven to be magic.

In short, there are always scientifically sound reasons for what happens.

The old cartoon Scooby Doo got it right: it **always** turns out to be someone **faking** or being **tricky**.
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
The human brain is not capable of doing the computations it does unless we accept that it stores memory holographically and than is able to translate this information in a condensed form into the linear structure that our language is built on.
Ummmm.. sorry? I'm not certain you have supported this idea completely, nor have you explained what you mean.

Memories are distributed throughout the brain, each portion of the brain retaining the parts that the section had a role in.

In other words? Smells are retained in the brains "smell understanding section", sounds in the "sound processor" and so on.

There's nothing mystical or magical about that.
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Since the brain does work quite well it would appear that the brain is indeed holographic in nature and has the potential to grok the whole.
??? Again, you have failed to explain what you mean by "holographic".
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Until the holographic model was proposed we had no working model or general theory of biological memory.

Here is an article exploring this theory in detail:
http://structurevisualspacegroup.blogspot.com...
Okay, I'll give that a looky-look.

Thanks!

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#54 Aug 24, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
From my own personal experience I find the holographic consciousness to be the intuitive part of me that merges with the greater consciousness that is the foundation of the Cosmos and it works quite well when my ego doesn't get in the way.

A phrase has been used by mystics for centuries, "The macrocosm and the microcosm". It was said that the microcosm contains the whole (macrocosm). If we accept recent findings concerning the holographic nature of the cosmos and the human brain in how it stores memory this becomes perfectly understandable.

I can't say I have groked the Cosmos completely yet but I am working on it and obtaining exciting results.

With the confirmation of Bell's theory on entangled particles, and the work being done in Cern, Switzerland on detecting the holographic matrix supporting the Cosmos and other experiments being done, we are that much closer to confirming the true nature of the Cosmos.

Here is a somewhat speculative article on the higgs boson or as some call it, the god particle:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-god-partic...

Nothing has been conclusively proven yet but David Bohm did the math before he died and everything fits! If this is true it will vindicate Albert Einstein who said ""GOD doesn’t play dice!" to express his misgivings with the The Copenhagen interpretation.
According to my experiences the observations of both Albert Einstein and David Bohm is right on!
Einstein was lamenting Quantum Mechanics in his infamous quote.

Under the QM model,**everything** is based on statistical analysis, and statistical probability-- and is perforce **un** caused.

In fact? At the QM level, it is ridiculous to speak of cause and effect-- that whole idea has to be tossed out.

Einstein did not believe in god, per say, but he did believe in cause-and-effect. He died trying to come up with a replacement for QM which also covered everything discovered to that point.

Einstein did not succeed: the universe appears to be based on **uncaused** phenomena.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#55 Aug 24, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Here is an article exploring this theory in detail:
http://structurevisualspacegroup.blogspot.com...
Interesting, if purely speculative.

The article really did not conclude anything, apart from pointing out some of the pitfalls of even this "holographic" memory model.

As such, I think this is just interesting, but hardly definitive.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#56 Aug 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Interesting, if purely speculative.
The article really did not conclude anything, apart from pointing out some of the pitfalls of even this "holographic" memory model.
As such, I think this is just interesting, but hardly definitive.
The article was speculative but the lab work done by Karl Pribram and others was real, the findings were well documented. How we interpret those results could be viewed as speculation, I suppose.

I guess if it interests you explore it. I have to confess I am not very good at explaining things but I feel if you research just how a hologram works and how it relates to the efficient storage of data it will all make sense in relationship to the human brain and to the Cosmos itself.

I feel based on my life's experience that the Cosmos is one organic whole. Various experiments by others and personal observations tend to confirm that for me.

Understanding the way a hologram works makes it easy to see the connection.

In the tagline under my avatar, I say, "Mystical atheism for everyone"

Although I am not a Christian, I can see how one could be a practicing Christian and an atheist if one simply accepted two statements made by the wandering rabbi, "GOD IS LOVE", and "WE ARE ALL ONE WITH GOD"

Of course now we have to define the word "LOVE". I don't think it can be done. But like a good work of art, I know it when I see it.

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#57 Aug 25, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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The article was speculative but the lab work done by Karl Pribram and others was real, the findings were well documented. How we interpret those results could be viewed as speculation, I suppose.
I guess if it interests you explore it. I have to confess I am not very good at explaining things but I feel if you research just how a hologram works and how it relates to the efficient storage of data it will all make sense in relationship to the human brain and to the Cosmos itself.
I feel based on my life's experience that the Cosmos is one organic whole. Various experiments by others and personal observations tend to confirm that for me.
Understanding the way a hologram works makes it easy to see the connection.
In the tagline under my avatar, I say, "Mystical atheism for everyone"
Although I am not a Christian, I can see how one could be a practicing Christian and an atheist if one simply accepted two statements made by the wandering rabbi, "GOD IS LOVE", and "WE ARE ALL ONE WITH GOD"
Of course now we have to define the word "LOVE". I don't think it can be done. But like a good work of art, I know it when I see it.
You're mad. An atheist doesn't belief in god and so will never accept those statements.

You need to define the word "god" first not love.

You're just another example of lazy thinking people who can't be bothered to study.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#58 Aug 25, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
The article was speculative but the lab work done by Karl Pribram and others was real, the findings were well documented. How we interpret those results could be viewed as speculation, I suppose.
I guess if it interests you explore it. I have to confess I am not very good at explaining things but I feel if you research just how a hologram works and how it relates to the efficient storage of data it will all make sense in relationship to the human brain and to the Cosmos itself.
I feel based on my life's experience that the Cosmos is one organic whole. Various experiments by others and personal observations tend to confirm that for me.
Understanding the way a hologram works makes it easy to see the connection.
In the tagline under my avatar, I say, "Mystical atheism for everyone"
Although I am not a Christian, I can see how one could be a practicing Christian and an atheist if one simply accepted two statements made by the wandering rabbi, "GOD IS LOVE", and "WE ARE ALL ONE WITH GOD"
Of course now we have to define the word "LOVE". I don't think it can be done. But like a good work of art, I know it when I see it.
I'll admit that holography is not a linear nor traditional method of storing media.

It's basically a snapshot the interference pattern between two different wavefronts of light.

In theory, you could capture a hologram using **all** the light spectra, but it would be quite difficult to separate out afterwards.

So far, scientists have only managed to capture, store and recover the wavefront of a **single** frequency.

I suspect that using 2 dimensional film as the capture media is part of the problem. If we could conceive of, and construct a 3 detrimental matrix to capture the interference pattern? We might be able to use multiple frequencies.

But I'm going off on a tangent-- I **do** understand the basic concept, that the brain's memories are stored all across the brain's matrix of interconnections.

There is a risk, though, at "concluding" that these are insufficient to store memories, and there must be some "gosh-wow" thing we haven't discovered yet.

And I'd like to point out, that in your typical human brain? If you consider the number of neurons, and the number of individual connections each neuron has-- and the fact that these are **analog** connections--**not** digital?

The total number of connections exceeds the number of atoms in the visible universe.

If you factor in these are **analog** connections, capable of many-multiple values for **each**?

The possible combinations represented is as close to infinite as you can get in a finite system.

That's more than sufficient, without resorting to magic or "shared consciousnesses" or anything similar.

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El Cerrito California

#59 Aug 25, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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You're mad. An atheist doesn't belief in god and so will never accept those statements.
You need to define the word "god" first not love.
You're just another example of lazy thinking people who can't be bothered to study.
Why don't you start reading at the beginning of a thread before shooting off your mouth and sounding like an idiot?

Jumping into a thread not knowing what it is all about, mouthing off about things you don't understand and insulting people, now that is LAZINESS!!!:)

In your case, Skeptic, we can define laziness as lack of intellectual integrity. The fact that you use the word "belief" says a lot about your intellectual integrity and how well you acquainted yourself with the thread before jumping in.

If you had read the thread from the beginning you would have seen that the word "god" was defined in a logical manner that is accepted by some people who correctly define themselves as atheists.

Learn to think things through and STUDY what is written carefully before you lash out and attack your fellow human beings.

have a nice evening, and do study things more carefully in the future :)

Oh, and no need to respond, I don't usually reply to trolls more than once. You made my troll list by name calling.

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#60 Aug 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll admit that holography is not a linear nor traditional method of storing media.
It's basically a snapshot the interference pattern between two different wavefronts of light.
In theory, you could capture a hologram using **all** the light spectra, but it would be quite difficult to separate out afterwards.
So far, scientists have only managed to capture, store and recover the wavefront of a **single** frequency.
I suspect that using 2 dimensional film as the capture media is part of the problem. If we could conceive of, and construct a 3 detrimental matrix to capture the interference pattern? We might be able to use multiple frequencies.
But I'm going off on a tangent-- I **do** understand the basic concept, that the brain's memories are stored all across the brain's matrix of interconnections.
There is a risk, though, at "concluding" that these are insufficient to store memories, and there must be some "gosh-wow" thing we haven't discovered yet.
And I'd like to point out, that in your typical human brain? If you consider the number of neurons, and the number of individual connections each neuron has-- and the fact that these are **analog** connections--**not** digital?
The total number of connections exceeds the number of atoms in the visible universe.
If you factor in these are **analog** connections, capable of many-multiple values for **each**?
The possible combinations represented is as close to infinite as you can get in a finite system.
That's more than sufficient, without resorting to magic or "shared consciousnesses" or anything similar.
I will have to think this one out. From what I understand the neuron fires an impulse that is all or nothing, a digital bit of information. I don't see how any measurable frequency of bits passed between neurons can be considered to be analog as the bits would have to represent infinitesimal increments on a sliding scale of zero to one. To be perfectly accurate it would take an infinite number of bits to express all of the values.But it does seem reasonable that the brain would have some way to convert from analog to digital. Perhaps sampling and discarding most of the data kind of like is done in making a cd?

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Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#61 Aug 25, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
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I will have to think this one out. From what I understand the neuron fires an impulse that is all or nothing, a digital bit of information.
That would be false-- the signal is variable in strength-- very much so, our learning depends on this variability, as during learning many signals fire, but a feedback system increases the strength on the useful ones, and decreases the strength on the others.

As far as I know, the variability is infinite or nearly so.

But it is **definitely** not a digital bit. That is wrong. The brain is analog,**not** digital.
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
I don't see how any measurable frequency of bits passed between neurons can be considered to be analog as the bits would have to represent infinitesimal increments on a sliding scale of zero to one.
Incorrect again. It's an analog signal-- think your old-time radio's volume control. The variable resistor had infinite variability, but within limits from zero to the max resistance of the potentiometer.

Of course, there would be practical limits to that, as the signal-to-noise would hide differences that were too small.
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
To be perfectly accurate it would take an infinite number of bits to express all of the values.
No, again... think analog.
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
But it does seem reasonable that the brain would have some way to convert from analog to digital. Perhaps sampling and discarding most of the data kind of like is done in making a cd?
It also appears that most of our sensors are analog too. The light sensitive rods and cones appear to be so, as do the signal hairs in our inner ears. I'm not familiar with the sensors of the sense of touch, though.

Taste? That's a chemical sensor, and could be considered digital, as there is a fixed number of receptors, and the number that get stimulated directly translates to intensity. Again, I'm not as familiar as I'd like to be here, either.

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