FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#162 Dec 9, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet your buybull has plants being created before the sun was made.
So, how did plants survive without photosynthesis?
You really are ignorant of the Bible; have you even read it? In Genesis 1, God creates the heavens and the earth and then it says what was created next--light! And even if this light wasn't like sunlight, a God who could create everything out of nothing could certainly cause plant life to thrive without the sun! Try not to be so small minded!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#163 Dec 9, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just one more for now.
Which of the following is true?
Genesis 1:25-27 says that man was created after the animals.
Genesis 2:18-19 says that man was created before the animals.
Genesis 1:25-27 is the linear account of the creative act, while 2:18-19 is a more specific description of God's creative work just on day six. Verse 19 (NIV) says, "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Notice the word I capped, "had"? That is the past perfect of the verb have and means it happened and was completed in the past.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#164 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are ignorant of the Bible; have you even read it? In Genesis 1, God creates the heavens and the earth and then it says what was created next--light! And even if this light wasn't like sunlight, a God who could create everything out of nothing could certainly cause plant life to thrive without the sun! Try not to be so small minded!
Yes I have read your buybull, and I encourage everyone to read it with and open and rational mind. It's a major contributor of non-belief.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#165 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
This is sooooo tiresome. People like you keep bringing this stuff up like it proves anything, but all it does is show your total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the Bible. Perhaps, if you were to ask Jesus into your heart and then with the help of the Holy Spirit, you might be able to understand the OT. Until then, please stop bringing up things you have NO clue about!
It is tiresome, because it proves just how evil your god is?

Is that about right?

I see you have not refuted my observations:

1) your god murders children to win a *bet*
2) your god murders the whole worlds' children because he's too lazy to fix it
3) your god murders 40 children because his "prophet" is embarrased
4) your god murders a whole country's first born babies-- and then renders that act meaningless by mind-controlling and then murdering the leader

That's one sick godling you worship.

What does that say about YOU?

(nothing good)

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#166 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:25-27 is the linear account of the creative act, while 2:18-19 is a more specific description of God's creative work just on day six. Verse 19 (NIV) says, "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Notice the word I capped, "had"? That is the past perfect of the verb have and means it happened and was completed in the past.
Genesis
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.(KJV)

Man was created before the animals.

You really are ignorant of the Bible; have you even read it?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#167 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO such thing as human morality.
Lie.

Proof?

If you examine **any** human culture that is successful enough to last more than a generation?

You will find the same sort of ideas emerging-- the chief idea that seems to be common the majority of them, is "treat others like you wish to be treated".

That idea is so old, it exists fully formed in human achievement --- many THOUSANDS of years BEFORE your hideous bible was invented.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#168 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
They have everything to do with each other!
Nope, Oh Most Ignorant Of All Things Science.

The scientific theory of evolution would work even if aliens seeded life on earth via bacterial cultures.

The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started on Mars instead of earth, and was transported on meteors-- not so far fetched as all that, scientists have proved that some meteorites originally came from Mars.

The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started out in the OORT clouds, in comets or other bodies of ice, and later rained down to earth with cometary impacts.

In short?

Evolution doesn't care *how* life got started on earth, nor does it claim to say how.

Scientific evolution is *strictly* concerned with life **after** it got it's start, and how it evolved into life as we observe it today.

And that *is* fact: scientific evolution is a *fact*.

It's also a theory, of course.

But life *did* evolve on earth from the simple to the complicated.

That is fact.

To deny it, is to lie.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#169 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
PS, and most often those Christians in prison have become Christians AFTER getting incarcerated!
Lie.

Nobody is taking records of **conversions**.

But.

All prisons *must* record the religion of choice-- because of the US Supreme Court's decisions-- so that the prison will not dishonor the religion of choice for said prisoners.

The *FACT* is? Most prisoners in US prisons are Genuine Christians™ when they went **IN** to prison.

I cannot say if they remained so during their time *in* prison-- but it seems likely.

After all?

Christianity is all about **no**consequences**.

Isn't it?

Just ask Jewsus to "forgive", and *bampf* a magic spell is cast, and forgiveness is had.

NO CONSEQUENCES.

That is the ugly fruits of christianity.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#170 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:25-27 is the linear account of the creative act, while 2:18-19 is a more specific description of God's creative work just on day six. Verse 19 (NIV) says, "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Notice the word I capped, "had"? That is the past perfect of the verb have and means it happened and was completed in the past.
18 Adonai, God, said,“It isn’t good that the person should be alone. I will make for him a companion suitable for helping him.” 19 So from the ground Adonai, God, formed every wild animal and every bird that flies in the air, and he brought them to the person to see what he would call them. Whatever the person would call each living creature, that was to be its name.(Complete Jewish Bible)

18 And Jehovah God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground Jehovah God formed every beast of the field, and every bird of the heavens; and brought them unto the man to see what he would call them: and whatsoever the man called every living creature, that was the name thereof.(American Standard Version)

18 Then the Lord God said,“It’s not good that the human is alone. I will make him a helper that is perfect for him.” 19 So the Lord God formed from the fertile land all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky and brought them to the human to see what he would name them. The human gave each living being its name.(Common English Bible)

18 Then the Lord God said,“I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.”

19 The Lord God used dust from the ground and made every animal in the fields and every bird in the air. He brought all these animals to the man, and the man gave them all a name.(Easy-To-Read Version)

18 Then the Lord God said,“It is not good for the man to live alone. I will make a suitable companion to help him.” 19 So he took some soil from the ground and formed all the animals and all the birds. Then he brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and that is how they all got their names.(Good News Translation)

18 And the Lord God said,“It isn’t good for man to be alone; I will make a companion for him, a helper suited to his needs.” 19-20 So the Lord God formed from the soil every kind of animal and bird, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever he called them, that was their name. But still there was no proper helper for the man.(Living Bible)

18 Then the Lord God said,“It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner.” 19 So out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.(New Revised Standard Version)

All of these versions disagree with you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#171 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Whatever! People like you are so tiresome! Like I told Gillette, it's your choice, just don't claim not to have been warned!
Be sure to wipe your chin, as you delight in the idea that us "evil atheists" will be tortured forever by your hate-god.

We can literally see you salivating at that idea you love so very much.

That's how it works, isn't it?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:25-27 is the linear account of the creative act, while 2:18-19 is a more specific description of God's creative work just on day six. Verse 19 (NIV) says, "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Notice the word I capped, "had"? That is the past perfect of the verb have and means it happened and was completed in the past.
A big pile of *nope*.

Either the FIRST account is accurate or the SECOND one is.

They cannot both be-- they contradict each other -- a lot.

So either the first one is LYING, or the second one is LYING.

(or both are lying-- the most likely of all)

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#173 Dec 9, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:25-27 is the linear account of the creative act, while 2:18-19 is a more specific description of God's creative work just on day six. Verse 19 (NIV) says, "Now the Lord God HAD formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky." Notice the word I capped, "had"? That is the past perfect of the verb have and means it happened and was completed in the past.
you previously stated that you were of the Catholic persuasion, so here is you cult's rendition:

18 Then the Lord God said,“It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” 19 So out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.(Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC Edition)

Man was created before the animals per you own cult's Book Of Myths

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#174 Dec 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
A big pile of *nope*.
Either the FIRST account is accurate or the SECOND one is.
They cannot both be-- they contradict each other -- a lot.
So either the first one is LYING, or the second one is LYING.
(or both are lying-- the most likely of all)
The answer is C) It's all a pack of lies

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#175 Dec 9, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The answer is C) It's all a pack of lies
Indeed it is.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#176 Dec 9, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope, Oh Most Ignorant Of All Things Science.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if aliens seeded life on earth via bacterial cultures.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started on Mars instead of earth, and was transported on meteors-- not so far fetched as all that, scientists have proved that some meteorites originally came from Mars.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started out in the OORT clouds, in comets or other bodies of ice, and later rained down to earth with cometary impacts.
In short?
Evolution doesn't care *how* life got started on earth, nor does it claim to say how.
Scientific evolution is *strictly* concerned with life **after** it got it's start, and how it evolved into life as we observe it today.
And that *is* fact: scientific evolution is a *fact*.
It's also a theory, of course.
But life *did* evolve on earth from the simple to the complicated.
That is fact.
To deny it, is to lie.
Life from Mars doesn't seem all that far-fetched. I just ran across this article about an old lake that could have supported life there.

‘Very Earth-like’ Martian lake found by Curiosity could have supported life

http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/09/curiosity-m...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#177 Dec 10, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Life from Mars doesn't seem all that far-fetched. I just ran across this article about an old lake that could have supported life there.
‘Very Earth-like’ Martian lake found by Curiosity could have supported life
http://venturebeat.com/2013/12/09/curiosity-m...
Interesting.

Lends credence to the hypothesis that life on earth may have come from mars, initially.

Helped along by the fact that mars would have cooled sooner than earth.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#178 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
There is NO such thing as human morality. Left to themselves, humans become the worst kind of evil. Just take a look at the news! THAT is what people without morality looks like.
They are not threats, for the umpteenth time! They are a Christian outreach to a lost world! If you take it as a threat, then that only proves you are completely aware of your lost state and are choosing to ignore the Savior! The rest I answered in the post previous to this one, but: if you don't understand the OT, then you are NOT going to be able to understand why those typical "mean-god" accusations are completely wrong!
Eh, yes there is and morality is responsible for society and civilisation as we know it, a society that allows you to consider idiotic concepts of mythology and bad mouth everyone who thinks differently. A civilisation that tolerates such stupidity and ignorance such as that you display. Try educating yourself and look up the ACTUAL meaning of the word, you will notice that there is NO religion involved. You never know, you may even raise your intelligence level by a fraction of a percent.

Ok here’s is some “christian” morality for you

Adam Lanza – christian, James Holmes, christian, Anders Behring Breivik - convicted mass murderer and a good fundamentalist christian

Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic committed genocide against Moslems in the name of their christian church

The IRA mass murdering terrorists for the name of their church, BTW I was injured in one of their indiscriminate attacks so I happen to have had good reason to learn quite a lot about their policy and methods.

How about the NLFT in India, good christians all and the KKK and anti abortionists in the US. What about those dealers in misery, the eastern European human traffickers, the majority of all those caught and tried are christian.

Adolph Hitler, christian with a papal ambassador to the Reich and he did what he did with the full blessing of the church

Joseph Stalin, raised christian and participated in the rebuilding of the christian church and it’s institutions in Russia after the revolution

Pol Pot, educated in a catholic boarding school, taught all the hatred needed to be a violent dictator with all the hatred that the babble can offer.

Of course they are threats you fool.–“do as I do or suffer the consequences in hell” are nothing but pure threats. And now you try and use psychological abuse by claiming that people lost because they know what you dream and ignore it at their peril – yet another worthless threat

Nope the rest you excused in previous posts, it still remains fact that there are statements made in the babble that you ignore.

Honey, I understand the babble completely and I do not selectively interpret as you do. I understand what is written, not what you think should be written

The “accusations” are NOT wrong, they are written and the verse numbers have been provided on more than one occasion, more deliberate ignorance on your behalf. If your religious belief means that you must selectively ignore particular statements made in the book you claim to follow then you religion is not worth the paper it’s written on.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#179 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
<quoted text>
So what created the plant life?…
It is a childish, even pathetic use of intellect to say,“science does not know everything so my god must have done it by Jew magic”

So are you saying that if we knew what created plant life then the answer you are seeking would be known and you would abandon your goddidit by magic idea or are you saying that in the face of real evidence you would deny such evidence?

Plants evolved from algae,
http://www.cabdirect.org/abstracts/1993164554...
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/293/5532/11...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v389/n66...
There you go, lets see if you throw your babble away now.

Actually synthetic live has already been developed in the laboratory and several laboratories are working on creating natural life, so yes people know, the only thing missing is the things that ALL creationist godbots ignore – time and/or the precision of equipment required to alleviate the need for such major stretches of time.

Laugh all you want, time HAPPENED and can be proven to have happened.
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02...
Whereas the goddidt by magic fallacy is shown to be pure bronze age guesswork

What measurement systems have been proven faulty? True that some are in scientific terms quite inaccurate to the tune of maybe 1/10th of 1%. For the most part all such age measurements are corroborated with other methods, if and only if both (or more) methods agree are results validated. Anyway 1/10th of 1% of a billion years (1,000,000 years) is neither here not there in geological terms. Certainly more accurate than the goddidt by magic 6000 years ago guess because Bishop Ussher said so in the early 1600s. Using the same methods would give 6000 years an accurcy of +/- 6 years and of course you would be happy with that – yes? So tell me, how was Barnenez in France build before your god worked his magic out of nothing?(look up the meaning of the word void). How could Cro-Magnon man create cave paintings 38,000 years ago if the world did not exist until 6,000 years ago?
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/science-of...

Godbots are always completely wrong about what they do not understand? The Cambrian explosion baffles godbots who in turn claim (lie) that it baffles science. Science understand why and how it happened, just because there was not one single cause does not mean it baffles anyone (except the goddidit by magic brigade). It just means that the synergy of multiple causes is profound.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j....
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/28/9/839.s...

Following thaw of the “snowball” earth period the sea rose as ice melted releasing phosphates etc thus allowing a more conducive environment for plant life, which proliferated and caused a rapid increase in oxygen levels. See the work of Paul Smith of Oxford and David Harper of Durham Universities

You will notice that all links are to academic papers that have been peer reviewed.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#180 Dec 10, 2013
Speaking of Catholics, it looks like Faux News is trying to start a new war on something since their War On Christmas has been exposed to be nothing.

Is this the beginning of their War On The Pope?

Fox News Vs Pope Francis

&fe ature=em-uploademail-ctrl

Or is it proof that Catlicks eat their own?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#181 Dec 10, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
Speaking of Catholics, it looks like Faux News is trying to start a new war on something since their War On Christmas has been exposed to be nothing.
Is this the beginning of their War On The Pope?
Fox News Vs Pope Francis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =uCWplOnQU9UXX&feature=em- uploademail-ctrl
Or is it proof that Catlicks eat their own?
Follower is a virulent, anti-Catholic fundamentalist Baptist.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
"Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 51 min Subduction Zone 14,510
Christianity Created Hitler 5 hr Uncle Sam 172
why? 6 hr Uncle Sam 13
Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 7 hr Joe fortuna 234,531
Richard Dawkins needs to get a life 17 hr thetruth 24
The Consequences of Atheism 17 hr ChristineM 68
Our world came from nothing? (Jul '14) Mon thetruth 1,233
More from around the web