Atheists, give up your lost religion and seek the truth of Jesus

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Ok, one example: The fact that the oxygen level in our atmosphere is precisely right for life. That speaks of intent and intent can only come from intellect, hence the Creator.
There was life on earth LONG before there was breathable oxygen.

Gradually, because of natural events, oxygen began to be processed by a growing plant kingdom, and along with that, the the life that was evolving developed the ability to breathe that oxygen.

There is no need to assume intent and no need to invoke an intellect behind it.

Science tells us that 99% of all the species that have ever lived have gone extinct. Should we "assume intent" behind that and conclude that your God is a bumbling idiot who can't get anything right?

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You should be!!
I provided an example, in one of these few posts just now, of Creation evidence.
You don't sin? Right! So I suppose you have never looked lustfully at an attractive woman (assuming you're a man), been angry at someone, cussed, told even a "little white lie." These are all sins!
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Ok, one example: The fact that the oxygen level in our atmosphere is precisely right for life. That speaks of intent and intent can only come from intellect, hence the Creator. The chances of this having happened through evolutionary random chance are so high they are unthinkable.
You are assuming that this HAD to happen this way and this was the NLY way it could happen. Under that kind of IDIOT THINKING, no wonder you think the odds are high.

Actually, the odds were 1:1 that some outcome would happen, and it happened to be the earth as we know it today, with various forms of plant and animal life slowly having evolved over tens of millions of years, to live comfortably in this environment.

If you dealt a deck of 52 cards all out, what are the chances that THAT SPECIFIC ARRANGEMENT would be dealt out? IF YOU WERE EXPECTING IT from the beginning the odds were astronomically high.

But if you were just dealing any hand and willing to take whatever hand was dealt, the odds would be exactly 1:1 or 100%.

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Ok, one example: The fact that the oxygen level in our atmosphere is precisely right for life. That speaks of intent and intent can only come from intellect, hence the Creator. The chances of this having happened through evolutionary random chance are so high they are unthinkable. And that is just one of the examples of precision in nature and the cosmos; for all of these "chances" to happen together, most of them needing to happen simultaneously, is simply laughable.
This is nothing but an Argument From Ignorance. In other words if you cannot explain something, you only resort is "God Did It". That is not evidence, not science, but just unfounded wishful thinking from creo-crap websites.
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Not to me they are not. They may be imperfections that one can overcome, or not problems at all ("looked lustfully at an attractive woman?-- please, screw your shallow Puritanism).
But offenses against your sick, Torturer God"?
No. Don't believe in him and therefore I don't "offend" him.
Indeed, given the massive moral depravity with which your God behaves, torturing 2/3 of humanity forever, he is hardly in any position to judge any of us, now is he? LOL
It must be nice! I think I'll choose not to believe in Obamacare; maybe it'll not affect me then! Your belief means nothing; the truth is the truth no matter who believes in it or not.

And God is certainly in the position to judge; He created you and has every right to judge you. And judge you He will, whether you believe or not! Maybe when you are on your knees before Him you can tell HIM you don't believe in Him! No, you'll be too busy begging Him for another chance!
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Not to me they are not. They may be imperfections that one can overcome, or not problems at all
And it doesn't matter what they are to you, only what they are to the Almighty God who will judge you!
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It's sad, but not unexpected that you cannot be good just for goodness sake without having some unproven authority threatening you with eternal torture. Jails are full of believers while being underrepresented with non-believers. So your Carrot and Stick Theology is not only an epic failure, but is also an immoral and unjust system, not to mention the whole mythology being fundamentally flawed.
There would be no "goodness" without the One who IS absolute good! And perhaps you can tell Him He is a myth when you are groveling before Him.
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There was life on earth LONG before there was breathable oxygen.
Gradually, because of natural events, oxygen began to be processed by a growing plant kingdom, and along with that, the the life that was evolving developed the ability to breathe that oxygen.
There is no need to assume intent and no need to invoke an intellect behind it.
Science tells us that 99% of all the species that have ever lived have gone extinct. Should we "assume intent" behind that and conclude that your God is a bumbling idiot who can't get anything right?
"Science tells us..." You'd believe anything some moron says as long as he has some letters after his name. And you all call us gullible! BTW, "science" doesn't "tell" anything; scientists conduct experiments, collect data and evaluate what they "believe" it means, all based on their preconceived ideals. When the evidence points away from evo. they simply equivocate on semantics, twist the information to fit, or outright lie and commit fraud!
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Gillette wrote:
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You are assuming that this HAD to happen this way and this was the NLY way it could happen. Under that kind of IDIOT THINKING, no wonder you think the odds are high.
Actually, the odds were 1:1 that some outcome would happen, and it happened to be the earth as we know it today, with various forms of plant and animal life slowly having evolved over tens of millions of years, to live comfortably in this environment.
If you dealt a deck of 52 cards all out, what are the chances that THAT SPECIFIC ARRANGEMENT would be dealt out? IF YOU WERE EXPECTING IT from the beginning the odds were astronomically high.
But if you were just dealing any hand and willing to take whatever hand was dealt, the odds would be exactly 1:1 or 100%.
And YOU assume that it could only happen by evolution! The rest of this is foolishness. There could only be one way for life to have come about and that required oxygen levels as they are. Any other way would have prevented the possibility of life.
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MrDesoto1 wrote:
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This is nothing but an Argument From Ignorance. In other words if you cannot explain something, you only resort is "God Did It". That is not evidence, not science, but just unfounded wishful thinking from creo-crap websites.
It is not an argument from ignorance. WE know what the levels are and what they have to be for life to exist. Since it couldn't have happened by chance, then it must have happened by design.

And considering that evolution has no explanation for things such as how life began, how the universe began, and sooooo much more, your "evolution did it" is no different than our "God did it," except for the fact that "God did it" makes more sense when evaluating the evidence honestly and without evo. bias.

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There would be no "goodness" without the One who IS absolute good! And perhaps you can tell Him He is a myth when you are groveling before Him.
Seriously?

You think your god is ... GOOD?

SERIOUSLY?

Your god-- according to the advertising pamphlet (bible), was willing to murder the **innocent****just** to win a bet!

I'm talking about the book of Job, wherein his **innocent** little children were killed **just** to win a bet.

That's despicable.

But wait... it's worse: your hideous monster-god murdered the whole world's babies in one go! I'm speaking, of course, of the noah flood-- where your **evil** god goes on a wild killing spree.

There's more: your god sent bears to murder 40 boys for the "crime" of teasing an old, bald prophet-wannabe.

There's more: your god murdered the first born **babies** in Egypt to get back at the **leaders**--- it appears your god could not act directly on the leader-- wait.

That's not true either-- your god actually **forced** the mind of Egypt's leader, he *hardened* his head/heart. So that the leader could not-- EVEN IF HE WANTED TO-- do what bible-god wanted.

Bible-god finally murders him in the end, anyway-- rendering the MURDER OF THE FIRSTBORN ... pointless.

So no.

Your god?

Anything BUT good.

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There would be no "goodness" without the One who IS absolute good! And perhaps you can tell Him He is a myth when you are groveling before Him.
Why are you trying to discredit human morality? Honey, I consider myself to be a far more moral and good person than you will ever be, why? Because I do not employ threats based on lies to indoctrinate people to my way of thinking.

Your god is absolutely good? Methinks you are being very selective of which parts of the babble you read and very precise in how you interpret what you do read. However in doing your selective religion trick you must therefore consider the first genocide, mass murder, child murder, the condoning rape and slavery to be absolutely good?

Tell me, you would no be christian by any chance?

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There would be no "goodness" without the One who IS absolute good! And perhaps you can tell Him He is a myth when you are groveling before Him.
Your immoral, homicidal, genocidal, and slavery, rape and incest condoning god is unworthy of worship even if it did turn out to be real.

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It is not an argument from ignorance. WE know what the levels are and what they have to be for life to exist. Since it couldn't have happened by chance, then it must have happened by design.
And considering that evolution has no explanation for things such as how life began, how the universe began, and sooooo much more, your "evolution did it" is no different than our "God did it," except for the fact that "God did it" makes more sense when evaluating the evidence honestly and without evo. bias.
You are showing your ignorance of atheism, evolution and abiogenensis. The three have nothing to do with each other. And you are still trying to make an laughable Argument From Ignorance.

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Ok, one example: The fact that the oxygen level in our atmosphere is precisely right for life. That speaks of intent and intent can only come from intellect, hence the Creator. The chances of this having happened through evolutionary random chance are so high they are unthinkable. And that is just one of the examples of precision in nature and the cosmos; for all of these "chances" to happen together, most of them needing to happen simultaneously, is simply laughable.
Life created the oxygen.

Oxygen is a waste product of some including some bacteria and plants.

You are of course ignoring what ALL funnymentalists ignore, that small matter of almost 4 BILLION years

Over several billion years the level of oxygen extruded by first cellular life and then also plant life increased to a level that could sustain more advance forms of life.

Only in the last half billion years or so has enough free oxygen been available to sustain animal life leading eventually to humans.

The level of oxygen in earth’s atmosphere has been fairly accurately estimated for around 2.8 billion years.

Time, lots and lots of time, most definitely not simultaneously and no god involved

To claim god did it by magic simply shows a closed and ignorant mind.
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It must be nice! I think I'll choose not to believe in Obamacare; maybe it'll not affect me then! Your belief means nothing; the truth is the truth no matter who believes in it or not.
The problem here is that you are trying to tell us that the cult religious beliefs and opinions that Mummy and Daddy and Pastor Billy Bob have programmed into you are in fact. "The Truth."

Muslims have their understanding of what is The Truth.

Hindus have their understanding.

Buddhists have theirs.
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And God is certainly in the position to judge; He created you and has every right to judge you. And judge you He will, whether you believe or not! Maybe when you are on your knees before Him you can tell HIM you don't believe in Him! No, you'll be too busy begging Him for another chance!
"Juicy Christian Revenge Fantasy"!!! More threats from the Real Christian™. LOL

Why do you think your God has any "right: to slowly and endlessly TORTURE 2/3 of humanity for all eternity?

More importantly, how could such a God be called "good" and "loving"?
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It is not an argument from ignorance. WE know what the levels are and what they have to be for life to exist. Since it couldn't have happened by chance, then it must have happened by design.
It didn't happen by chance OR design. It was the simple combination and interaction of various laws of nature.

You don't seem to know that PLENTY of life existed on earth (and BREATHED) way BEFORE there was oxygen in the atmosphere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geological_histo...

Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? LOL
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And YOU assume that it could only happen by evolution! The rest of this is foolishness. There could only be one way for life to have come about and that required oxygen levels as they are. Any other way would have prevented the possibility of life.
Evolution is a biological term. It has nothing to do with the geological development of the early earth, the prior formation of planets, the prior expansion of time and space known as the Big Bang, etc.

Why don;t you fundamentalist yobs get an education before you try to criticize science?
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Seriously?
You think your god is ... GOOD?
SERIOUSLY?
Your god-- according to the advertising pamphlet (bible), was willing to murder the **innocent****just** to win a bet!
I'm talking about the book of Job, wherein his **innocent** little children were killed **just** to win a bet.
That's despicable.
But wait... it's worse: your hideous monster-god murdered the whole world's babies in one go! I'm speaking, of course, of the noah flood-- where your **evil** god goes on a wild killing spree.
There's more: your god sent bears to murder 40 boys for the "crime" of teasing an old, bald prophet-wannabe.
There's more: your god murdered the first born **babies** in Egypt to get back at the **leaders**--- it appears your god could not act directly on the leader-- wait.
That's not true either-- your god actually **forced** the mind of Egypt's leader, he *hardened* his head/heart. So that the leader could not-- EVEN IF HE WANTED TO-- do what bible-god wanted.
Bible-god finally murders him in the end, anyway-- rendering the MURDER OF THE FIRSTBORN ... pointless.
So no.
Your god?
Anything BUT good.
This is sooooo tiresome. People like you keep bringing this stuff up like it proves anything, but all it does is show your total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the Bible. Perhaps, if you were to ask Jesus into your heart and then with the help of the Holy Spirit, you might be able to understand the OT. Until then, please stop bringing up things you have NO clue about!
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Why are you trying to discredit human morality? Honey, I consider myself to be a far more moral and good person than you will ever be, why? Because I do not employ threats based on lies to indoctrinate people to my way of thinking.
Your god is absolutely good? Methinks you are being very selective of which parts of the babble you read and very precise in how you interpret what you do read. However in doing your selective religion trick you must therefore consider the first genocide, mass murder, child murder, the condoning rape and slavery to be absolutely good?
Tell me, you would no be christian by any chance?
There is NO such thing as human morality. Left to themselves, humans become the worst kind of evil. Just take a look at the news! THAT is what people without morality looks like.
They are not threats, for the umpteenth time! They are a Christian outreach to a lost world! If you take it as a threat, then that only proves you are completely aware of your lost state and are choosing to ignore the Savior! The rest I answered in the post previous to this one, but: if you don't understand the OT, then you are NOT going to be able to understand why those typical "mean-god" accusations are completely wrong!

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