Atheists, give up your lost religion ...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#102 Dec 7, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Evolution is not a fact and anyone who says so lies, or is misinformed!
Richard C. Lewontin says so! You quoted him earlier with approval. Now you say he lies and is misinformed? Make up your mind, will you?:)
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Again, it is all an agenda to remove God from the picture.
Then why do so many Christian and people who worship God through other faiths say "Evolution is what happens. It's absurd and stupid to deny it"?
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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If the "evidence" one day points to Spongebob Squarepants as the creator, evolutionists would probably be ok with it!
If the evidence points to Spongebob Squraepants, then Spongebob Squarepants it is.

Unlike you, we will not deny reality to live in a safe, comforting little fantasy world.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#103 Dec 7, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Here it is in a nutshell:
Believe on Jesus and be saved, or believe in your god, yourselves, and be lost!
You fell for a Carrot and Stick Theology hook, line, and sinker.

Threats faze only the gullible.

“Putten the SIN ”

Since: Nov 08

back in Wisconsin

#104 Dec 7, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
To those of you who are harping on "qualifications" and "peer review": Creation scientists who write for the major sites, CM, ICR, AIG, are highly qualified with the same degrees as your evolutionists. They are simply not seeking to eliminate God from the picture. And peer review is nothing more than a biased, back-patting. Yes, it has some merits, but it is also completely biased and still allows poor work to seep through. How many peer reviewed papers have proven to be completely wrong?!
I'd love to see just ONE of you all admit that the only reason evolutionary theory exists at all is that it allows for the removal of the "devine foot," as one of your own, Richard Lewontin, admitted!
Where to begin??

So all those theist scientists who are "evolutionists", are biased and trying to get their own god out of the equation?? They're purposely shooting them selves in the foot?? All these theist scientists and at the end of the day now of them are churning out the peer reviewed papers of 'gawd done it'. WOW! self sabotage at its best there I guess!!

Creationists are funny when it comes to talking about science. When science is supposedly in favor of their religion (which is rare) science is spot on. But when it come to showing the facts against it,well....science just takes a great big DUMP lol.

See here the difference between the supposedly 'qualified' scientists your talking about and the real deal.

Its the difference between 2 guys trying to figure out that 2+2 =4

And 2 guys going 2+2 tastes like plaid.

The plaid guys(creation scientists) cry FOUL to the skies and everyone around them, that maybe, just maybe, if they bullshit enuff it'll twist reality to the way they want things to be, not how things are.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#105 Dec 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Live in that terrified little world of your Christian cult programming.
The rest of us prefer to live in reality.
It will be "reality" when you are face to face with the Creator without an excuse!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#106 Dec 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Richard C. Lewontin says so! You quoted him earlier with approval. Now you say he lies and is misinformed? Make up your mind, will you?:)
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Then why do so many Christian and people who worship God through other faiths say "Evolution is what happens. It's absurd and stupid to deny it"?
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If the evidence points to Spongebob Squraepants, then Spongebob Squarepants it is.
Unlike you, we will not deny reality to live in a safe, comforting little fantasy world.
My quote from Lewontin was NOT from approval; it was from his acknowledgement of the reason for the evolution lie.

They are wrong!

Spongebob it is? So, why do you not believe it when the evidence supports creation, which it always does?

No, you deny the true reality of God so you can live (comfortably? probably not!) in your little world of sin and depravity thinking you won't have to be accountable for it!

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#107 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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It will be "reality" when you are face to face with the Creator without an excuse!
This belief of a "face to face" is your only motivation.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#108 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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So, why do you not believe it when the evidence supports creation, which it always does?
What evidence of any creation?

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#109 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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No, you deny the true reality of God so you can live (comfortably? probably not!) in your little world of sin and depravity thinking you won't have to be accountable for it!
That falls under Myth #6:

6) Atheists don’t have a moral code. Atheist are routinely asked how people will know not to rape and murder without religion telling them not to do it, especially a religion that backs up the orders with threats of hell. Believers, listen to me carefully when I say this: When you use this argument, you terrify atheists. We hear you saying that the only thing standing between you and Ted Bundy is a flimsy belief in a supernatural being made up by pre-literate people trying to figure out where the rain came from. This is not very reassuring if you’re trying to argue from a position of moral superiority.

If anything, atheism correlates to better behavior on average. Atheists are under-represented in prison, for instance, and more religious nations have higher rates of violent crime,teen pregnancy, early adult mortality and even abortion. But setting the numbers aside, we can see that even religious people generally believe that morality exists outside of religion. After all, most religious people condemn people who commit acts of evil in the name of religion. If religiosity were the measure of morality, terrorists who murder in the name of God would be more moral than atheists who pay their taxes and give to charity. You’ll find few believers agreeing that a murderous terrorist for God is a better person than a nonviolent atheist, showing that believers grasp that morality doesn’t come from religion, but that we can measure religious claims against our pre-existing understanding of morality."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#110 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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It will be "reality" when you are face to face with the Creator without an excuse!
When you have nothing, you default to THREATS, even notice that?

Why would you worship a creepy God who will torture you forever without ceasing if you don't?
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#111 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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So, why do you not believe it when the evidence supports creation, which it always does?
Care to give us a specific example of this?
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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No, you deny the true reality of God so you can live (comfortably? probably not!) in your little world of sin and depravity thinking you won't have to be accountable for it!
I don't "sin' nor am I "depraved," and I certainly am not concerned about avoiding the justice of your imaginary Torturer God.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#112 Dec 8, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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This belief of a "face to face" is your only motivation.
Absolutely! The only truly important thing on this earth is finding salvation through Jesus. The afterlife will be eternal. Do any of you fathom what eternal means? After we have been in heaven (or hell!) for a million years, eternity will still just be getting started. Who cares about the 70 or 80 years we have here? That is like comparing a speck of dust to the entire amount of dust in the universe! I would much rather look forward to that eternity than to worry about this momentary here and now.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#113 Dec 8, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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What evidence of any creation?
Ok, one example: The fact that the oxygen level in our atmosphere is precisely right for life. That speaks of intent and intent can only come from intellect, hence the Creator. The chances of this having happened through evolutionary random chance are so high they are unthinkable. And that is just one of the examples of precision in nature and the cosmos; for all of these "chances" to happen together, most of them needing to happen simultaneously, is simply laughable.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#114 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Absolutely! The only truly important thing on this earth is finding salvation through Jesus. The afterlife will be eternal. Do any of you fathom what eternal means? After we have been in heaven (or hell!) for a million years, eternity will still just be getting started. Who cares about the 70 or 80 years we have here? That is like comparing a speck of dust to the entire amount of dust in the universe! I would much rather look forward to that eternity than to worry about this momentary here and now.
Thanks for admitting that you fell for a Carrot and Stick Theology Hook, Line and Sinker.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#115 Dec 8, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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That falls under Myth #6:
6) Atheists don’t have a moral code. Atheist are routinely asked how people will know not to rape and murder without religion telling them not to do it, especially a religion that backs up the orders with threats of hell. Believers, listen to me carefully when I say this: When you use this argument, you terrify atheists. We hear you saying that the only thing standing between you and Ted Bundy is a flimsy belief in a supernatural being made up by pre-literate people trying to figure out where the rain came from. This is not very reassuring if you’re trying to argue from a position of moral superiority.
If anything, atheism correlates to better behavior on average. Atheists are under-represented in prison, for instance, and more religious nations have higher rates of violent crime,teen pregnancy, early adult mortality and even abortion. But setting the numbers aside, we can see that even religious people generally believe that morality exists outside of religion. After all, most religious people condemn people who commit acts of evil in the name of religion. If religiosity were the measure of morality, terrorists who murder in the name of God would be more moral than atheists who pay their taxes and give to charity. You’ll find few believers agreeing that a murderous terrorist for God is a better person than a nonviolent atheist, showing that believers grasp that morality doesn’t come from religion, but that we can measure religious claims against our pre-existing understanding of morality."
The problem is less about atheists having a moral code and more about how could they have one without an absolute moral intellect to provide it. If evolutionists are correct, then morality would have had to have come about through the same evolutionary processes as life did. But evolution is all about mutations and natural selection mixed with a huge dollop of chance and time. Given ANY amount of time, how would wild animals, who seek only to survive and reproduce, develop selflessness (selflessness toward others, not their own group/family/etc.)?! I know there are studies that supposedly answer this, but they never answer the question without creating many more unanswerable questions.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#116 Dec 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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When you have nothing, you default to THREATS, even notice that?
Why would you worship a creepy God who will torture you forever without ceasing if you don't?
Typical atheistic short-sightedness. God doesn't torture the unsaved, they choose the torture themselves. And they are not threats anymore than it would be a "threat" for me to warn you that you are about to fall over a cliff when I know the cliff to be there.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#117 Dec 8, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Care to give us a specific example of this?
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I don't "sin' nor am I "depraved," and I certainly am not concerned about avoiding the justice of your imaginary Torturer God.
You should be!!

I provided an example, in one of these few posts just now, of Creation evidence.

You don't sin? Right! So I suppose you have never looked lustfully at an attractive woman (assuming you're a man), been angry at someone, cussed, told even a "little white lie." These are all sins!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#118 Dec 8, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Thanks for admitting that you fell for a Carrot and Stick Theology Hook, Line and Sinker.
Absolutely, and thankful to God that He provides both!
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#119 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Typical atheistic short-sightedness. God doesn't torture the unsaved, they choose the torture themselves.
No one chooses to be tortured forever by your sick immoral Jesus.

No one 'rejects' a God who isn't there.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#120 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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You should be!!
I provided an example, in one of these few posts just now, of Creation evidence.
You don't sin? Right! So I suppose you have never looked lustfully at an attractive woman (assuming you're a man), been angry at someone, cussed, told even a "little white lie." These are all sins!
Not to me they are not. They may be imperfections that one can overcome, or not problems at all ("looked lustfully at an attractive woman?-- please, screw your shallow Puritanism).

But offenses against your sick, Torturer God"?

No. Don't believe in him and therefore I don't "offend" him.

Indeed, given the massive moral depravity with which your God behaves, torturing 2/3 of humanity forever, he is hardly in any position to judge any of us, now is he? LOL

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#121 Dec 8, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Absolutely, and thankful to God that He provides both!
It's sad, but not unexpected that you cannot be good just for goodness sake without having some unproven authority threatening you with eternal torture. Jails are full of believers while being underrepresented with non-believers. So your Carrot and Stick Theology is not only an epic failure, but is also an immoral and unjust system, not to mention the whole mythology being fundamentally flawed.

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