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Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#182 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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This is sooooo tiresome. People like you keep bringing this stuff up like it proves anything, but all it does is show your total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the Bible. Perhaps, if you were to ask Jesus into your heart and then with the help of the Holy Spirit, you might be able to understand the OT. Until then, please stop bringing up things you have NO clue about!
Translation: "Only we programmed cult members can really understand the cult's programming language."

To which we all say, "You are entirely welcome to it."
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#183 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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So what created the plant life? As usual, every answer evolution seems to provide simply creates several more questions that it cannot answer
Do you really think no one knows how plant life evolved? LOL!

Evolutionary History of Plants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_his...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#184 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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“Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cells" Paul Davies (he's one of your evolutionists, btw!).
That's true. No one YET knows for sure how the first chemical reaction took lace, but we are working on it and getting closer every year.

The fact that there are still things that science is still working on does not mean "Aha! Jesus did it!"
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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We don't ignore your billions of years, we laugh at it; long ages is totally fallacious and based on measurement systems that have been proven faulty. The earth is around 6000 years old
Radiometric Dating A Christian Perspective
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html

Dr. Roger C. Wiens

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Many Christians have been led to distrust radiometric dating and are completely unaware of the great number of laboratory measurements that have shown these methods to be consistent. Many are also unaware that Bible-believing Christians are among those actively involved in radiometric dating.

This paper describes in relatively simple terms how a number of the dating techniques work, how accurately the half-lives of the radioactive elements and the rock dates themselves are known, and how dates are checked with one another. In the process the paper refutes a number of misconceptions prevalent among Christians today. This paper is available on the web via the American Scientific Affiliation and related sites to promote greater understanding and wisdom on this issue, particularly within the Christian community.

http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html#...

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The Age of the Earth

We now turn our attention to what the dating systems tell us about the age of the Earth. The most obvious constraint is the age of the oldest rocks. These have been dated at up to about four billion years. But actually only a very small portion of the Earth's rocks are that old. From satellite data and other measurements we know that the Earth's surface is constantly rearranging itself little by little as Earthquakes occur. Such rearranging cannot occur without some of the Earth's surface disappearing under other parts of the Earth's surface, re-melting some of the rock. So it appears that none of the rocks have survived from the creation of the Earth without undergoing remelting, metamorphism, or erosion, and all we can say--from this line of evidence--is that the Earth appears to be at least as old as the four billion year old rocks.

When scientists began systematically dating meteorites they learned a very interesting thing: nearly all of the meteorites had practically identical ages, at 4.56 billion years. These meteorites are chips off the asteroids. When the asteroids were formed in space, they cooled relatively quickly (some of them may never have gotten very warm), so all of their rocks were formed within a few million years. The asteroids' rocks have not been remelted ever since, so the ages have generally not been disturbed. Meteorites that show evidence of being from the largest asteroids have slightly younger ages. The moon is larger than the largest asteroid. Most of the rocks we have from the moon do not exceed 4.1 billion years. The samples thought to be the oldest are highly pulverized and difficult to date, though there are a few dates extending all the way to 4.4 to 4.5 billion years. Most scientists think that all the bodies in the solar system were created at about the same time. Evidence from the uranium, thorium, and lead isotopes links the Earth's age with that of the meteorites. This would make the Earth 4.5-4.6 billion years old.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#185 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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without those billions of years, evolution would be completely dead in the water! Proof of this assertion? Here's just one: the "Cambrian Explosion," which baffles evolutionists but is easily explained by a one-time creative act!
Err, you DO know that the Cambrian Explosion took place over 50 MILLION years, right? Jesus took a HELL of a long time "creating" didn't he? Whatsa matter? Couldn't make up his mind?

And I'm not sure why you think science is "baffled" by the Cambrian Explosion. Perhaps maybe reading too many fundamentalist Christian LIE WEBSITES about evolution?

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC300.h...
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#186 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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PS, and most often those Christians in prison have become Christians AFTER getting incarcerated!
Yes, because they are lonely and very desperate for attention and you have some fat pastor type slobbering all over them hoping to "save their souls" and it gives them a focus and somewhere to go except their cells and some new friends and a sense of being part of a group.

Perfectly understandable, I would say.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#187 Dec 10, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Translation: "Only we programmed cult members can really understand the cult's programming language."
To which we all say, "You are entirely welcome to it."
Don't you know, all "real christians" (TM) are issued a secret decoder ring so they can explain away those inconvenient bible passages, like the entire OT. Their perfect god was incapable of expressing himself in clear language that humans could understand. It all means something else entirely different from what sensible people would think those passages say.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#188 Dec 10, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Don't you know, all "real christians" (TM) are issued a secret decoder ring so they can explain away those inconvenient bible passages, like the entire OT. Their perfect god was incapable of expressing himself in clear language that humans could understand. It all means something else entirely different from what sensible people would think those passages say.
Yes, a sensible modern-day person would look at these stories of an angry God in a robe and crown sitting on a throne (up there) and judging people, letting some in and sending some off to be executed or tortured, etc. if they don;t worship him in just the right way and by just the right name --- as an ancient, Bronze Age way of looking at the world and looking at the idea of a God, and not one to be taken seriously, much less LITERALLY, today in the 21st century.

What's the old saying? "If a herd of deer could imagine a God, their God would have the hugest set of antlers around!"

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#189 Dec 10, 2013
Gillette wrote:
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Follower is a virulent, anti-Catholic fundamentalist Baptist.
My Bad! It's the other West Virginian who posts as the day of the week who claims to be Catholic.
Monday times wrote:
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I like Bill. Then again I'm a typical conservative catholic. 95 % of the time I agree with Bill.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#190 Dec 10, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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Genesis
18 And the Lord God said,“It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.” 19 Out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature, that was its name.(KJV)
Man was created before the animals.
You really are ignorant of the Bible; have you even read it?
The animals were created first; what I posted is the proper understanding of the text. You have to understand how the language, context, culture, etc. works. And no I don't completely, but I do know how to study and research.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#191 Dec 10, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Nope, Oh Most Ignorant Of All Things Science.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if aliens seeded life on earth via bacterial cultures.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started on Mars instead of earth, and was transported on meteors-- not so far fetched as all that, scientists have proved that some meteorites originally came from Mars.
The scientific theory of evolution would work even if life started out in the OORT clouds, in comets or other bodies of ice, and later rained down to earth with cometary impacts.
In short?
Evolution doesn't care *how* life got started on earth, nor does it claim to say how.
Scientific evolution is *strictly* concerned with life **after** it got it's start, and how it evolved into life as we observe it today.
And that *is* fact: scientific evolution is a *fact*.
It's also a theory, of course.
But life *did* evolve on earth from the simple to the complicated.
That is fact.
To deny it, is to lie.
Evolution MUST consider origins because everything about it begs the question. You do understand logic...maybe not!
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#192 Dec 10, 2013
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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you previously stated that you were of the Catholic persuasion, so here is you cult's rendition:
18 Then the Lord God said,“It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.” 19 So out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and brought them to the man to see what he would call them; and whatever the man called every living creature, that was its name.(Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC Edition)
Man was created before the animals per you own cult's Book Of Myths
I never said I was Catholic. Theologians and scholars have deemed it to mean what I have stated. God's word has no conflictions and He created the animals first, then man.
FollowerofChrist

Fairmont, WV

#193 Dec 10, 2013
Ok, I said when I first began this that I am not looking for arguments. You all have NO clue about the Bible. IF you have even read it, you have done so without the help of he Holy Spirit and have no idea what it means. I am done responding to foolishness. Either seek Jesus or don't; it's your choice, and take this as a threat if you want to, but it's not a threat, it's a guarantee!

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#194 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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Evolution MUST consider origins because everything about it begs the question. You do understand logic...maybe not!
Evolution has nothing to do with Abiogenesis. Maybe you pick up a real science book to alleviate your ignorance.

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#195 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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The animals were created first; what I posted is the proper understanding of the text. You have to understand how the language, context, culture, etc. works. And no I don't completely, but I do know how to study and research.
I gave nine different buybull translations that disagree with you.

Man was created first in those nine, and there are more translations that agree.

If you don't like it, that 's your problem, your religion's problem, and your alleged god's fallibility for not being precise to begin with, and then allowing his alleged word to be misinterpreted.

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#196 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
Ok, I said when I first began this that I am not looking for arguments. You all have NO clue about the Bible. IF you have even read it, you have done so without the help of he Holy Spirit and have no idea what it means. I am done responding to foolishness. Either seek Jesus or don't; it's your choice, and take this as a threat if you want to, but it's not a threat, it's a guarantee!
Everyone who posts here most certainly does have a clue about your buybull. It's the major contributory factor of non-belief.

For someone who lied about not wanting arguments, you sure are sticking around and arguing alot.

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Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#197 Dec 10, 2013
FollowerofChrist wrote:
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I never said I was Catholic. Theologians and scholars have deemed it to mean what I have stated. God's word has no conflictions and He created the animals first, then man.
The Revised Standard Version CATHOLIC Edition disagrees with you.

Man was created first.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#198 Dec 10, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Eh, yes there is and morality is responsible for society and civilisation as we know it, a society that allows you to consider idiotic concepts of mythology and bad mouth everyone who thinks differently. A civilisation that tolerates such stupidity and ignorance such as that you display. Try educating yourself and look up the ACTUAL meaning of the word, you will notice that there is NO religion involved. You never know, you may even raise your intelligence level by a fraction of a percent.
Ok here’s is some “christian” morality for you
Adam Lanza – christian, James Holmes, christian, Anders Behring Breivik - convicted mass murderer and a good fundamentalist christian
Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic committed genocide against Moslems in the name of their christian church
The IRA mass murdering terrorists for the name of their church, BTW I was injured in one of their indiscriminate attacks so I happen to have had good reason to learn quite a lot about their policy and methods.
How about the NLFT in India, good christians all and the KKK and anti abortionists in the US. What about those dealers in misery, the eastern European human traffickers, the majority of all those caught and tried are christian.
Adolph Hitler, christian with a papal ambassador to the Reich and he did what he did with the full blessing of the church
Joseph Stalin, raised christian and participated in the rebuilding of the christian church and it’s institutions in Russia after the revolution
Pol Pot, educated in a catholic boarding school, taught all the hatred needed to be a violent dictator with all the hatred that the babble can offer.
Of course they are threats you fool.–“do as I do or suffer the consequences in hell” are nothing but pure threats. And now you try and use psychological abuse by claiming that people lost because they know what you dream and ignore it at their peril – yet another worthless threat
Nope the rest you excused in previous posts, it still remains fact that there are statements made in the babble that you ignore.
Honey, I understand the babble completely and I do not selectively interpret as you do. I understand what is written, not what you think should be written
The “accusations” are NOT wrong, they are written and the verse numbers have been provided on more than one occasion, more deliberate ignorance on your behalf. If your religious belief means that you must selectively ignore particular statements made in the book you claim to follow then you religion is not worth the paper it’s written on.
Effing brilliant post.

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#199 Dec 10, 2013
Amused wrote:
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Don't you know, all "real christians" (TM) are issued a secret decoder ring so they can explain away those inconvenient bible passages, like the entire OT. Their perfect god was incapable of expressing himself in clear language that humans could understand. It all means something else entirely different from what sensible people would think those passages say.
Indeed. About 10cc's of brain matter are extracted to power the decoder ring, too....

.... the part of the brain that gets extracted, naturally, is the same part that is both curious and skeptical...

.../end sarcasm

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#200 Dec 10, 2013
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Evolution MUST consider origins because everything about it begs the question. You do understand logic...maybe not!
Nope. A giant pile of nope.

The scientific theory of evolution-- a subject of which you are 100% unacquainted with--**starts** with life already existing on earth, and goes from there.

Why?

Because it is concerned with **facts**--- and the **facts** start on earth after life was already humming along.

Thus? The scientific theory of evolution cannot have an opinion about how it got it's start.

In any case?

**NOTHING** points to a magical god thingy.

Nothing.

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#201 Dec 10, 2013
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I never said I was Catholic. Theologians and scholars have deemed it to mean what I have stated. God's word has no conflictions and He created the animals first, then man.
Lie.

The bible's two creation stories are in direct conflict.

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