Why do atheists care about what people believe.

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“Gott ist tot”

Since: Dec 10

Amarillo, TX

#1 Oct 30, 2011
I know why I oppose religion, but I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. Should we bother opposing religion?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#2 Oct 30, 2011
I would only ever oppose it, when it takes away other people's rights.(aka anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-death penalty)

Or when it tramples on helpless children, by forcing lies in place of facts.(aka Creationists)

Or when it abuses helpless children, with systematic programs of hiding the abuse (aka Scouts and Catholics).

But I think we must choose carefully-- for we cannot win every battle.

Is why I do nothing to oppose "in god we trust" or "under god"-- each of these is merely symptomatic of a greater ill.

They will fall away naturally in time, as the word "god" becomes just another meaningless utterance, used when one smashes a thumb, or when one is in the throes of orgasm. Not unlike the F-bomb, or sh1t, or the other utterances we use to vent our emotions.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#3 Oct 30, 2011
I don't care so much what people believe or even, within limits, how they behave, but I draw the line at deliberate cruelty of any kind, but while I advocate for kindness, I see indifference as foolish, but tolerable. Carlin had it right. The most basic commandment is "Don't be an asshole."
Amused

Lowell, MA

#4 Oct 31, 2011
I don't care what people believe up to the point where they try to impose those beliefs on others, whether it is praying to their god at public events and expecting others to join in, whether they believe or not, or enacting laws which have no rational basis and are based, instead on their book of magic tales, or trying to inject your wholly unscientific goddidit into the science curriculum. If you avoid imposing your beliefs on others, I have no issues at all with your gathering with like-minded people to pray, sing, chant, meditate or whatever floats your boat.
Epicurus

Apopka, FL

#5 Oct 31, 2011
All religions are potentailly dangerous, and some have already revealed themselves as quite ridiculous and very, very dangerous.
Why worry about 9/11? Nobody seemed to care about The Inqusition when it was happening, or slavery, or the alleged 'holy' Crusades did they? They simply accepted this as 'gods will'.

What has changed other than the cult? NOTHING!
Jew vs Christians vs Muslims

Peace on earth?
Not as long as any of these religion exist.

Religion has inserted itself and its insane beliefs into civil law in many countries, including this one. For this reason alone, I hold all religions in contempt. None have any proof of what they claim. The three desert religions in particular all hate each other and have been waring against one another since their inception.

This is the 'United States of Jesus'... home of foolish, nonsensical Xtianty where 1000's of different Xtian faiths exist, all using the same book or a variation therof. Mormons have placed Mormon values into laws in Utah. Likewise with Xtians. Entire countries are controlled by Islam.

Bertrand Russell
"Religion prevents our children from having a rational education; religion prevents us from removing the fundamental causes of war; religion prevents us from teaching the ethic of scientific cooperation in place of the old fierce doctrines of sin and punishment. It is possible that mankind is on the threshold of a golden age; but, if so, it will be necessary first to slay the dragon that guards the door, and this dragon is religion."

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#6 Oct 31, 2011
I too don't care personally about "in god we trust" or "under god", except that they are often used to justify the next religious incursion into our secular democracy.

As George H.W. Bush said -“No, I don't know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.”

Religion teaches children that they are born "sinners" and all they can do is rely on the church to be "saved". This is a horrible worldview that denies personal responsibility and human potential.

I agree with Arthur Clarke on religion -“I would defend the liberty of consenting adult creationists to practice whatever intellectual perversions they like in the privacy of their own homes; but it is also necessary to protect the young and innocent.”

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#7 Oct 31, 2011
What? No godbots?

Stars be praised... or Joe Peschi. Either one is equally effective, here...

:D
Epicurus

Apopka, FL

#8 Oct 31, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
What? No godbots?
Stars be praised... or Joe Peschi. Either one is equally effective, here...
:D
The godbots could be planning mass post, clogging the threads with scriptures, dogma and wonderfully silly stories for children.

'Jesus saves at CitiBank'
Sign seen at Occupy protest.

Any ideas on what type of godbot will enter?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#9 Oct 31, 2011
Epicurus wrote:
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The godbots could be planning mass post, clogging the threads with scriptures, dogma and wonderfully silly stories for children.
'Jesus saves at CitiBank'
Sign seen at Occupy protest.
Any ideas on what type of godbot will enter?
Frankly, I'm surprised Jumper hasn't laid one of his pithy too-short phrases on us...(unabashedly grinning at my own scathing sarcasm)

But I also expect to hear from "True Christian" and RePONSE sooner or later.

And the troll Bongo-boy-loofah ought to come in for a round of pigeon chess.

But, if we simply turn up the "ignore" button? Maybe they'll wander off?
Epicurus

Apopka, FL

#10 Oct 31, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Frankly, I'm surprised Jumper hasn't laid one of his pithy too-short phrases on us...(unabashedly grinning at my own scathing sarcasm)
But I also expect to hear from "True Christian" and RePONSE sooner or later.
And the troll Bongo-boy-loofah ought to come in for a round of pigeon chess.
But, if we simply turn up the "ignore" button? Maybe they'll wander off?
WANDER OFF? lol

They are already in La-La land, where else is there to wander off too? Middle Earth?

“Gott ist tot”

Since: Dec 10

Amarillo, TX

#11 Oct 31, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
I would only ever oppose it, when it takes away other people's rights.(aka anti-abortion, anti-gay, pro-death penalty)
Or when it tramples on helpless children, by forcing lies in place of facts.(aka Creationists)
Or when it abuses helpless children, with systematic programs of hiding the abuse (aka Scouts and Catholics).
But I think we must choose carefully-- for we cannot win every battle.
Is why I do nothing to oppose "in god we trust" or "under god"-- each of these is merely symptomatic of a greater ill.
They will fall away naturally in time, as the word "god" becomes just another meaningless utterance, used when one smashes a thumb, or when one is in the throes of orgasm. Not unlike the F-bomb, or sh1t, or the other utterances we use to vent our emotions.
I agree that "in god we trust" and "under god" are just syptoms. But I think that it's important to fight these things as well, even if it's only to get publicity. Controversies like that get people discussing important issues like the seperation of church and state and atheism.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12 Oct 31, 2011
RogerSmith1992 wrote:
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I agree that "in god we trust" and "under god" are just syptoms. But I think that it's important to fight these things as well, even if it's only to get publicity. Controversies like that get people discussing important issues like the seperation of church and state and atheism.
Since we cannot win all the battles?

Why give the fundiseased such an easy rallying point?

I agree, it's fine to express disapproval of them-- I do so myself.

But I think our limited efforts ought to be focused on maintaining science in science class in public education, eliminating religious bigotry in laws (by removing religiously bigoted laws such as anti-abortion, anti-gay and such) and keep fighting to make the separation of church and state strong.

If we can actually get real separation of church/state? The other smaller things will naturally fall into place.

Another arena we need to keep watching, is religious bigotry in the military: the current crop of fundiseased "chaplains" is doing a dis-service to the non-christian service people.
Mr Smartypants

United States

#13 Nov 2, 2011
RogerSmith1992 wrote:
I know why I oppose religion, but I'm interested to see what everyone else thinks. Should we bother opposing religion?
In real life, I tend to not give two shits and a piss about others' beliefs. Hell, I've even went along with their religious beliefs just to be nice. Most of the religious people I know in real life are pretty mellow and don't force their religion on others and that's why I get along with them.

On Topix, though, I do like to rip on religious nuts. That's because the religious fanatics who post here are not really representative of religion in general, but tend to be the ones who give religion a bad name...

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#14 Nov 2, 2011
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Since we cannot win all the battles?
Why give the fundiseased such an easy rallying point?
I agree, it's fine to express disapproval of them-- I do so myself.
But I think our limited efforts ought to be focused on maintaining science in science class in public education, eliminating religious bigotry in laws (by removing religiously bigoted laws such as anti-abortion, anti-gay and such) and keep fighting to make the separation of church and state strong.
If we can actually get real separation of church/state? The other smaller things will naturally fall into place.
Another arena we need to keep watching, is religious bigotry in the military: the current crop of fundiseased "chaplains" is doing a dis-service to the non-christian service people.
Thing is, on order to do any of that, we'd have to organize as a group and form plans of political action. That would be easy if we really had the common ideology the the theist droids who post here insist that we do. Unfortunately, organizing a significant percentage of American atheists for political action would be no easy task if it is even possible. In fact, I think it would be better to form a political group to promote the separation of church and state that encourages participation of similarly minded theists. Widely promoted, the theists in the organization would probably outnumber the nonbelievers, thus controlling the group. How about "Americans for the Separation of Church and State"? I could join and work for that.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#15 Nov 2, 2011
And how 'bout that--it already exists: http://www.au.org/

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16 Nov 2, 2011
NightSerf wrote:
And how 'bout that--it already exists: http://www.au.org/
I'm glad I read ahead....I was gonna say...

:D
Henry

Germany

#17 Oct 6, 2012
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Since we cannot win all the battles?
Why give the fundiseased such an easy rallying point?
I agree, it's fine to express disapproval of them-- I do so myself.
But I think our limited efforts ought to be focused on maintaining science in science class in public education, eliminating religious bigotry in laws (by removing religiously bigoted laws such as anti-abortion, anti-gay and such) and keep fighting to make the separation of church and state strong.
If we can actually get real separation of church/state? The other smaller things will naturally fall into place.
Another arena we need to keep watching, is religious bigotry in the military: the current crop of fundiseased "chaplains" is doing a dis-service to the non-christian service people.
We (the Atheists) have to fight religions all the time and mostly capitalism.
KittenKrapstain

Sydney, Australia

#18 Oct 6, 2012
Henry wrote:
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We (the Atheists) have to fight religions all the time and mostly capitalism.
Spoken like a true marxist.....which is what you infidel apostates all are.
Buttplug

“God=Registered Sex Offender!”

Since: Jul 12

Wylie, TX

#19 Oct 6, 2012
KittenKrapstain wrote:
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Spoken like a true marxist.....which is what you infidel apostates all are.
Buttplug
YOU are the infidel and a FAKE-ASS Christian because you DENY the FACT that Jesus Christ impregnated his own mother, the Whore of Bethlehem, with Himself, bein' as the Father and the Son are ONE which means that Christ was present at Mary's glorious insemination. Mary opened her legs, squatted in a wide stance, ears to ankles, so God could honor her with being the first jizz rag to mate with the Lord. The details of moist, sticky, sex with God are omitted from the Bible but TRUE Christians KNOW what happened that fateful night when Mary said, "YES", to an artificial insemination. This is BIBLE porn and a testament to the faith of TRUE Christians. Here, educate yourself:

Mary was Yahweh's buttplug:

http://youtu.be/X41FANcPohk

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#20 Oct 7, 2012
Mormon's teach Yahweh literally fcked Mary no joke.
AmericasBestChristian wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU are the infidel and a FAKE-ASS Christian because you DENY the FACT that Jesus Christ impregnated his own mother, the Whore of Bethlehem, with Himself, bein' as the Father and the Son are ONE which means that Christ was present at Mary's glorious insemination. Mary opened her legs, squatted in a wide stance, ears to ankles, so God could honor her with being the first jizz rag to mate with the Lord. The details of moist, sticky, sex with God are omitted from the Bible but TRUE Christians KNOW what happened that fateful night when Mary said, "YES", to an artificial insemination. This is BIBLE porn and a testament to the faith of TRUE Christians. Here, educate yourself:
Mary was Yahweh's buttplug:
http://youtu.be/X41FANcPohk

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