Atheists, here is your proof of God's...
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#29 Jan 21, 2014
Cheer up, you munter.
Mark Dreher wrote:
Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av
There are a very wide variety of ways to prove out the existence of God.
For example, are you aware that both original Holy Temples were destroyed on the same day of the year?
The 9th of Av, in the Jewish calendar.
And not only that, every major Jewish tragedy has also occurred on that day?
Even in modern times?
All 12 major tragedies that the Jews have ever experienced, have occurred on the 9th of Av.
Why did God pick the obscure day, the 9th of Av?
Well that was the day that the Jews balked, the day when Moses said "We are here, now we take the promised land".
And they said "no".
We don't want it.
Then God became enraged, and changed his mind, about the Jews, on that day, the 9th of Av.
You could easily say that God's relationship with the Jews ended on that day.
After that, all the myriad of horror and tragedy that God continually has sent to the Jews, for some 3,300 years now, has also started on that day, the 9th of Av.(about August 11th, it varies each year):
1. The Jews balk, and reject the promised land. 9th of Av, 1313 BC (now commemorated by the Jewish holiday and day of mourning called "Tisha B'Av"). This is the incident that started God's 3,300 year old "9th of Av" curse.
2. The first Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 586BC.
3. The second Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 70AD
4. The Romans crushed Bar Kokhba's revolt and destroyed the city of Betar, killing over 100,000 Jews, on July 8, 132 AD (Av 9, 3892 AM). Following the Roman siege of Jerusalem, Roman commander Turnus Rufus plowed the site of the Temple and the surrounding area, in 133 AD.
5. The First Crusade was declared by Pope Urban II on July 20, 1095 (Av 9, 4855 AM), killing 10,000 Jews in its first month and destroying Jewish communities in France and the Rhineland. A grand total of 1.2 million Jews were killed by this crusade that started on the 9th of Av, this crusade killed each and every Jew that they could get ahold of on the way to and back from the promised land.
6. The Jews were expelled from England on July 25, 1290 (Av 9, 5050 AM).
7. The Jews were expelled from France on July 21, 1306 (Av 9, 5066 AM).
8. The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 11, 1492 (Av 9, 5252 AM).
9. On August 1, 1914 (Av 9, 5674 AM), World War I broke out, causing unprecedented devastation across Europe and set the stage for World War II and the Holocaust.
10. On August 2nd, 1941,(Av 9, 5701 AM), SS commander Heinrich Himmler received approval from the Nazi party for "The Final Solution". One year later, to the day, the plan was formally implemented. The final solution was the almost completely successful plan to murder all the Jews in Europe. Almost 50% of the Jews on the face of the earth were captured and killed at that time.
11. On the 9th of Av 5702 (July 23, 1942), the mass deportation began of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto, en route to Treblinka (death camp).
12. The Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 86 and wounding 300 others, on Monday July 18, 1994, in the Jewish calendar, the 9th of Av, 5754.
(Note - All these statistics came from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B 'Av, and here is an article from impeccably credentialed and highly recognized Jewish organization " Chabad.org " which also explores this "the Jews seem to be under God's curse" phenomenon: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid... . Be sure to read the comments section, at the bottom.)
Each and every bad thing that has ever happened to the Jews has started on the 9th of Av.
And that is a fact.
Are you so sure that God is not real?
This article should tell you two things:
1. That God is real. As only God could do that.
And
2. That Judaism is not the place to be. As it surely seems to be cursed by God.(and that is not even counting the Holocaust, etc..)
A savior would tell you that.
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#30 Jan 21, 2014
Bollocks.
Mark Dreher wrote:
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"Proving that Jesus existed", is so so simple, I really don't believe anyone actually does that.
You question his divinity.
Not, that a guy named "Jesus", actually existed.
Even the Roman/Jewish historian Josephus, speaks of Jesus.
In his writings.
And "the inscribed seat of Pontius Pilate", can still be seen today, at the local theater ruins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#32 Jan 22, 2014
Sunday I'm usually out early walking my dog in Hughenden Manor. I make sure I take up one of its church's parking spaces before the slow to rise christards roll up. Not that there are many of them these days.
Mark Dreher wrote:
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Bullocks!
You must be a limey.
I heard the Brits were going secular.
This is what happens, when you don't have guns.
Pure anarchy.
Chaos.
Atheists.
The "Sleep In, Sunday", crowd.
The "no grace", guys.
The lazy boners.
Take over.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#33 Jan 22, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
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"Proving that Jesus existed", is so so simple, I really don't believe anyone actually does that.
You question his divinity.
Not, that a guy named "Jesus", actually existed.
Even the Roman/Jewish historian Josephus, speaks of Jesus.
In his writings.
And "the inscribed seat of Pontius Pilate", can still be seen today, at the local theater ruins.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate_Stone
No, I question his existence. I am well aware of the references in Josephus, the authenticity of which is widely questioned. I don't think they are authentic Note that Jesus and Josephus were not contemporaries. Josephus was born in 37 AD, 4 years after the crucifixion. His possible mentions of Jesus appear in "Jewish Antiquities", written circa 94 AD, or more than 60 years after the alleged crucifixion. Hardly a contemporary account. Josephus was also hardly an objective reporter. He was a pharisee, and we all know what christian accounts of jesus tell us about his alleged opinions on the pharisees.

Further doubt arises from the christian account of the crucifixion. The story of the crucifixion and resurrection of christ is at serious odds with what we know of Roman protocols for carrying out the punishment of crucifixion. Most significantly, central to the resurrection story is the entombment of the body of jesus and the subsequent discovery of the empty tomb. We know, however, that the Romans did not permit the burial of people executed by crucifixion. Denial of a proper burial was an integral part of the punishment. Proper burial was very important to ancient people (as it is now). The crucified were left hanging on the cross to rot or be eaten by carrion eaters. This was both a warning and deterrent to others, and also emphasized that crucifixion was an "ignoble death". Permitting jesus' family to have him taken down and entombed would be a marked deviation from the normal practice, one that subverted the purpose of the punishment, and thus highly unlikely.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#34 Jan 22, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
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Yes, God created us.
But God did it, through evolution.
And, through God's discretion, God characterizes that, by saying "I created you".
Which God did.
I'm not sure what you are, but you are no ways a Christian.
God created us in his own image, Not in the image of apes.

You should rather just convert to atheism if you believe the crap science comes up with.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#35 Jan 22, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
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Yes.
God made apes.
Then, eventually, us.
How God chose to describe that rather long tedious process, is God's biz.
God would say.
Genesis, is not "literal".
So, get a grip
"God created us" all right
But, by evolution.
So many people go to Hell, thinking Genesis, is supposed to be "literal".
Let me ask you this
Can snakes talk?
If snakes can talk
Then Genesis
Is literal.
Opps..
Now you are truly retarded.

GOD MADE US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, LOOK IT UP IN THE BIBLE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WANT IT.

GOD MAD US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE, WHICH CLEARLY MEANS IF GOD EXISTS, EVOLUTION WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BECUASE EVOLUTION MAKES US IN THE IMAGE OF MONKIES.

So you have a choice, atheist or christian.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#36 Jan 22, 2014
Genesis 1:27 "So God created mankind in his own image"

Or is that not in the bible
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#37 Jan 22, 2014
Most christians accept the evidence for Evolution.
Carchar king wrote:
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I'm not sure what you are, but you are no ways a Christian.
God created us in his own image, Not in the image of apes.
You should rather just convert to atheism if you believe the crap science comes up with.
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#38 Jan 22, 2014
Your overuse of capital letters makes you look unhinged.

But then you are a hater.
Carchar king wrote:
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Now you are truly retarded.
GOD MADE US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, LOOK IT UP IN THE BIBLE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WANT IT.
GOD MAD US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE, WHICH CLEARLY MEANS IF GOD EXISTS, EVOLUTION WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BECUASE EVOLUTION MAKES US IN THE IMAGE OF MONKIES.
So you have a choice, atheist or christian.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#39 Jan 22, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Most christians accept the evidence for Evolution.
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It's weird, everything i think is right or that, is wrong or not. I' always wrong(sarcasm)

You are very optimistic.

You are sadly mistaken
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#40 Jan 22, 2014
I am optimistic that one day you will stop lying and accept that Evolution makes no claim as to how the Universe began.
Carchar king wrote:
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It's weird, everything i think is right or that, is wrong or not. I' always wrong(sarcasm)
You are very optimistic.
You are sadly mistaken
Amused

Lowell, MA

#41 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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Now you are truly retarded.
GOD MADE US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, LOOK IT UP IN THE BIBLE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WANT IT.
GOD MAD US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE, WHICH CLEARLY MEANS IF GOD EXISTS, EVOLUTION WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BECUASE EVOLUTION MAKES US IN THE IMAGE OF MONKIES.
So you have a choice, atheist or christian.
Godbot fight, godbot fight!
Thinking

Blaenau-ffestiniog, UK

#42 Jan 22, 2014
Oh no, not the wrong flavour of imaginary sky daddy again!
Amused wrote:
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Godbot fight, godbot fight!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#43 Jan 22, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you are truly retarded.
GOD MADE US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, LOOK IT UP IN THE BIBLE, I'LL GIVE YOU THE CHAPTER AND VERSE IF YOU WANT IT.
GOD MAD US IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE, WHICH CLEARLY MEANS IF GOD EXISTS, EVOLUTION WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, BECUASE EVOLUTION MAKES US IN THE IMAGE OF MONKIES.
So you have a choice, atheist or christian.
Oh just face it. Your god is an ape. Ape and monkey are not the same, one is a primate and that would be the apes(you know man and his god). And actually there are thousands of choices, and we all were atheist at one time. Some of us still are, and even more are returning to sanity.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#44 Jan 23, 2014
Thinking wrote:
I am optimistic that one day you will stop lying and accept that Evolution makes no claim as to how the Universe began.
<quoted text>
You stand a better chance of getting pregnant.
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#45 Jan 23, 2014
So you really are that thick.

And you lie.

Just yesterday you posted that you would never respond to me again.

Let me guess your response: you love god more than truth?
Carchar king wrote:
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You stand a better chance of getting pregnant.
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#48 Jan 23, 2014
To paraphrase Jimmy Carr: don't forget the balls.
Mark Dreher wrote:
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..."Mark Dreher, is the Second Coming"...
Thinking

Aberdeen, UK

#50 Jan 24, 2014
I don't click on cult sites.
Mark Dreher wrote:
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In order to evaluate, "who I am", you would really have to look at my website.
http://thenewholybible.org
There is plenty of evidence, and proof, there.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#51 Jan 24, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
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Yes, God made us in her image.
God is actually a female, when you get down to it, but that is another issue.
But God, "is a spirit".
And God desired "spirits, within flesh bodies", to pull solid earth, off.
And that, took "about a billion years of experimentation".
I explain that here, in about 60 seconds, in "The Story of Creation".
http://thenewholybible.org/The_Story_of_Creat...
You either being a sarcastic atheist or a just extremely stupid idiot.

God has no gender.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#52 Jan 24, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
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Gosh "Amused", I have terrible news, for you.
I am Mark Dreher.
You must be the last human who is not aware that
"Mark Dreher, is the Second Coming".
http://thenewholybible.org/mark_dreher.htm
I suspect that the news that you are Mark Dreher is much worse for you than it is for me. I've lived more than half a century completely unaware of your existence, and likely will forget all about you when I leave this thread.

Before there is a second coming, there has to have been a first one. Your proof of that apparently hangs on a couple of dubious references in a work written about 60 years after the alleged first coming, which does not disclose its sources. Not impressive.

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