Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av

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EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#2 Jan 18, 2014
Here is proof of the madness of religion
Mark Dreher wrote:
Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av
There are a very wide variety of ways to prove out the existence of God.
For example, are you aware that both original Holy Temples were destroyed on the same day of the year?
The 9th of Av, in the Jewish calendar.
And not only that, every major Jewish tragedy has also occurred on that day?
Even in modern times?
All 12 major tragedies that the Jews have ever experienced, have occurred on the 9th of Av.
Why did God pick the obscure day, the 9th of Av?
Well that was the day that the Jews balked, the day when Moses said "We are here, now we take the promised land".
And they said "no".
We don't want it.
Then God became enraged, and changed his mind, about the Jews, on that day, the 9th of Av.
You could easily say that God's relationship with the Jews ended on that day.
After that, all the myriad of horror and tragedy that God continually has sent to the Jews, for some 3,300 years now, has also started on that day, the 9th of Av.(about August 11th, it varies each year):
1. The Jews balk, and reject the promised land. 9th of Av, 1313 BC (now commemorated by the Jewish holiday and day of mourning called "Tisha B'Av"). This is the incident that started God's 3,300 year old "9th of Av" curse.
2. The first Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 586BC.
3. The second Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 70AD
4. The Romans crushed Bar Kokhba's revolt and destroyed the city of Betar, killing over 100,000 Jews, on July 8, 132 AD (Av 9, 3892 AM). Following the Roman siege of Jerusalem, Roman commander Turnus Rufus plowed the site of the Temple and the surrounding area, in 133 AD.
5. The First Crusade was declared by Pope Urban II on July 20, 1095 (Av 9, 4855 AM), killing 10,000 Jews in its first month and destroying Jewish communities in France and the Rhineland. A grand total of 1.2 million Jews were killed by this crusade that started on the 9th of Av, this crusade killed each and every Jew that they could get ahold of on the way to and back from the promised land.
6. The Jews were expelled from England on July 25, 1290 (Av 9, 5050 AM).
7. The Jews were expelled from France on July 21, 1306 (Av 9, 5066 AM).
8. The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 11, 1492 (Av 9, 5252 AM).
9. On August 1, 1914 (Av 9, 5674 AM), World War I broke out, causing unprecedented devastation across Europe and set the stage for World War II and the Holocaust.
10. On August 2nd, 1941,(Av 9, 5701 AM), SS commander Heinrich Himmler received approval from the Nazi party for "The Final Solution". One year later, to the day, the plan was formally implemented. The final solution was the almost completely successful plan to murder all the Jews in Europe. Almost 50% of the Jews on the face of the earth were captured and killed at that time.
11. On the 9th of Av 5702 (July 23, 1942), the mass deportation began of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto, en route to Treblinka (death camp).
12. The Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 86 and wounding 300 others, on Monday July 18, 1994, in the Jewish calendar, the 9th of Av, 5754.
(Note - All these statistics came from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B 'Av, and here is an article from impeccably credentialed and highly recognized Jewish organization " Chabad.org " which also explores this "the Jews seem to be under God's curse" phenomenon: http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid... . Be sure to read the comments section, at the bottom.)
Each and every bad thing that has ever happened to the Jews has started on the 9th of Av.
And that is a fact.
...
This article should tell you two things:
1. That God is real. As only God could do that.

2. That Judaism is not the place to be. As it surely seems to be cursed by God.(and that is not even counting the Holocaust, etc..)
A savior would tell you that.
Religion = superstition

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#3 Jan 18, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av
(...)
Each and every bad thing that has ever happened to the Jews has started on the 9th of Av.
And that is a fact.
Are you so sure that God is not real?
This article should tell you two things:
1. That God is real. As only God could do that.
And
2. That Judaism is not the place to be. As it surely seems to be cursed by God.(and that is not even counting the Holocaust, etc..)
A savior would tell you that.
Maybe the best thing about religion is anyone can say anything about their deity, no matter how loony, and as long as they believe it, that's all that matters.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#4 Jan 18, 2014
see atheists. Even if we do give proof you won't believe us or at least consider our proof into a argument, so here's a good reason i don't need to waste my time providing you facts

Did you realize 2014 is marked since jesus birth. That proves Jesus must have live or it we probably would not call this year 2014

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#5 Jan 18, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Here is proof of the madness of religion
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Religion = superstition
You think we mad, guess why there's 6,8billion poeple of religion, atheists aren't right, especially since the only confirmed atheists only appeared in the 18th centoury and not in the biblical times. That's 1800years after jesus, meaning atheists proabably have no clue of the Biblical times.

Science means nothing when 6/7 of this planet don't care what it says.
What next science says moon rocks landed on earth and because they are shaped like balls, they are from the moon.
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#6 Jan 19, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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You think we mad,
Not mad, but seriously mistaken. I think that belief in Abrahamic god(s) and those in godchecker.com is obviously irrational and a legacy of human development. They are superstitions and myths.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>

guess why there's 6,8billion poeple of religion, atheists aren't right,
That is what Creationism is all about – trying to prove scientifically that god exists. The simple fact is that there’s no more proof of an interventionist god(s) than proof of fairies. Abrahamic gods are plainly ridiculous which is probably why Topix contributors like Lincoln (now LCNLin) won’t associate themselves with them. I’m disinterested in religion/atheism, but if atheists ‘aren’t right’ religionists certainly aren’t ‘more right’.

You seem very convinced that the religiously superstitious are in the majority, that atheism is ’wrong’ and atheists are a minority. Polling isn’t that simple. I doubt if a majority of intelligent educated people seriously believe in a specifically Abrahamic god(s), hence the ‘growth of the nones’, so people should ask themselves why people talk of god(s) as if they exist and say they are Muslim, Jew or Christian. Regarding belief in god(s0, much depends on how one asks the question and its wording. I was a Christian in every UK census before 2011 as it asked ‘what religion are you’. I’ve never really been religious, I was just ‘raised in the Church’ and, perhaps like most people, I didn’t think about it that much.

Religion, like witchcraft, voodoo and other superstitions are a legacy of the past. They cannot indefinitely survive the advance of scientific knowledge and the spread of education. Even in this age of social media and the Internet it takes time for billions of people to change their minds, as your comments illustrate.
Carchar king wrote:
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especially since the only confirmed atheists only appeared in the 18th centoury and not in the biblical times. That's 1800years after jesus, meaning atheists proabably have no clue of the Biblical times.
Lol! It would have been highly dangerous to be openly of the wrong religion in earlier times, still more dangerous to be a non-believer in gods. 500 or 1800 years ago, scientific knowledge was slight compared to today and concepts like scientific thinking and critical thinking unknown. Now these concepts are widely respected.
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
Science means nothing when 6/7 of this planet don't care what it says.
True, but that state of affairs is hardly something humanity should be proud of!
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
What next science says moon rocks landed on earth and because they are shaped like balls, they are from the moon.
If anyone doubts that rocks from the moon and mars have been found on Earth, or they don’t understand how that can be, then arguably they would benefit more from studying science than theology.
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/space/mete...

You may never alter your views, CK, but thanks for your replies. Your comments are an excellent illustration of the absurdity of religious faith. You appear to need god(s). I don’t care either way, I just follow the evidence. We’re 7 billion people spinning through space and have only existed as a species for a few million years. Modern man is very new to this universe and we know little at this point which is,(let’s hope), near the start of our journey.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#7 Jan 19, 2014
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>Not mad, but seriously mistaken. I think that belief in Abrahamic god(s) and those in godchecker.com is obviously irrational and a legacy of human development. They are superstitions and myths.
<quoted text>That is what Creationism is all about – trying to prove scientifically that god exists. The simple fact is that there’s no more proof of an interventionist god(s) than proof of fairies. Abrahamic gods are plainly ridiculous which is probably why Topix contributors like Lincoln (now LCNLin) won’t associate themselves with them. I’m disinterested in religion/atheism, but if atheists ‘aren’t right’ religionists certainly aren’t ‘more right’.
You seem very convinced that the religiously superstitious are in the majority, that atheism is ’wrong’ and atheists are a minority. Polling isn’t that simple. I doubt if a majority of intelligent educated people seriously believe in a specifically Abrahamic god(s), hence the ‘growth of the nones’, so people should ask themselves why people talk of god(s) as if they exist and say they are Muslim, Jew or Christian. Regarding belief in god(s0, much depends on how one asks the question and its wording. I was a Christian in every UK census before 2011 as it asked ‘what religion are you’. I’ve never really been religious, I was just ‘raised in the Church’ and, perhaps like most people, I didn’t think about it that much.
Religion, like witchcraft, voodoo and other superstitions are a legacy of the past. They cannot indefinitely survive the advance of scientific knowledge and the spread of education. Even in this age of social media and the Internet it takes time for billions of people to change their minds, as your comments illustrate.
<quoted text>Lol! It would have been highly dangerous to be openly of the wrong religion in earlier times, still more dangerous to be a non-believer in gods. 500 or 1800 years ago, scientific knowledge was slight compared to today and concepts like scientific thinking and critical thinking unknown. Now these concepts are widely respected.
<quoted text>True, but that state of affairs is hardly something humanity should be proud of!
<quoted text>If anyone doubts that rocks from the moon and mars have been found on Earth, or they don’t understand how that can be, then arguably they would benefit more from studying science than theology.
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/space/mete...
You may never alter your views, CK, but thanks for your replies. Your comments are an excellent illustration of the absurdity of religious faith. You appear to need god(s). I don’t care either way, I just follow the evidence. We’re 7 billion people spinning through space and have only existed as a species for a few million years. Modern man is very new to this universe and we know little at this point which is,(let’s hope), near the start of our journey.
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
IF science says, dinosaurs never existed, then you believe that.

IF science says, china isn't actually over populated, you would believe that.

If science says, Basketball requires no skill, science is right.

Evidence doesn't mean a thing unless it's 100% proven, not 99, not 90, 100%

And last time i checked, the only evidence of evolution is like 20% if it even did make it that far.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#8 Jan 19, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
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IF science says, dinosaurs never existed, then you believe that.
IF science says, china isn't actually over populated, you would believe that.
If science says, Basketball requires no skill, science is right.
Evidence doesn't mean a thing unless it's 100% proven, not 99, not 90, 100%
And last time i checked, the only evidence of evolution is like 20% if it even did make it that far.
IF (big if) science says that there are no dinosaurs, then it wouldn't be science, besides where would they hide all the fossils?

"If" (big if) science said that China wasn't overpopulated, any dipwad, even you Shortbus could prove it be totally wrong.

And just put you out on the court, and science* would finally be believed, even by the religitard faction.

Evidence is everything, and science deals in evidence, and not in the imaginary. One single fossil is proof, one million fossils is one million pieces of proof.

*would be actually lying, in that silly ass scenario

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9 Jan 19, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av
There are a very wide variety of ways to prove out the existence of God.
For example, are you aware that both original Holy Temples were destroyed on the same day of the year?
The 9th of Av, in the Jewish calendar.
And not only that, every major Jewish tragedy has also occurred on that day?
Even in modern times?
All 12 major tragedies that the Jews have ever experienced, have occurred on the 9th of Av.
Why did God pick the obscure day, the 9th of Av?
Well that was the day that the Jews balked, the day when Moses said "We are here, now we take the promised land".
And they said "no".
We don't want it.
Then God became enraged, and changed his mind, about the Jews, on that day, the 9th of Av.......
Now, let see what you can do to prove to Egypt's historians that somebody named Moses actually existed and played a pivotal role in their history, in spite of the very detailed historical documentation, that doesn't show him at all.
Jim

London, UK

#10 Jan 19, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
Atheists, here is your proof of God's existence, the 9th of Av
There are a very wide variety of ways to prove out the existence of God.
For example, are you aware that both original Holy Temples were destroyed on the same day of the year?
The 9th of Av, in the Jewish calendar.
And not only that, every major Jewish tragedy has also occurred on that day?
Even in modern times?
All 12 major tragedies that the Jews have ever experienced, have occurred on the 9th of Av.
Why did God pick the obscure day, the 9th of Av?
Well that was the day that the Jews balked, the day when Moses said "We are here, now we take the promised land".
And they said "no".
We don't want it.
Then God became enraged, and changed his mind, about the Jews, on that day, the 9th of Av.
You could easily say that God's relationship with the Jews ended on that day.
After that, all the myriad of horror and tragedy that God continually has sent to the Jews, for some 3,300 years now, has also started on that day, the 9th of Av.(about August 11th, it varies each year):
1. The Jews balk, and reject the promised land. 9th of Av, 1313 BC (now commemorated by the Jewish holiday and day of mourning called "Tisha B'Av"). This is the incident that started God's 3,300 year old "9th of Av" curse.
2. The first Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 586BC.
3. The second Holy Temple destroyed. 9th of Av, 70AD
4. The Romans crushed Bar Kokhba's revolt and destroyed the city of Betar, killing over 100,000 Jews, on July 8, 132 AD (Av 9, 3892 AM). Following the Roman siege of Jerusalem, Roman commander Turnus Rufus plowed the site of the Temple and the surrounding area, in 133 AD.
5. The First Crusade was declared by Pope Urban II on July 20, 1095 (Av 9, 4855 AM), killing 10,000 Jews in its first month and destroying Jewish communities in France and the Rhineland. A grand total of 1.2 million Jews were killed by this crusade that started on the 9th of Av, this crusade killed each and every Jew that they could get ahold of on the way to and back from the promised land.
6. The Jews were expelled from England on July 25, 1290 (Av 9, 5050 AM).
7. The Jews were expelled from France on July 21, 1306 (Av 9, 5066 AM).
8. The Jews were expelled from Spain on August 11, 1492 (Av 9, 5252 AM).
9. On August 1, 1914 (Av 9, 5674 AM), World War I broke out, causing unprecedented devastation across Europe and set the stage for World War II and the Holocaust.
10. On August 2nd, 1941,(Av 9, 5701 AM), SS commander Heinrich Himmler received approval from the Nazi party for "The Final Solution". One year later, to the day, the plan was formally implemented. The final solution was the almost completely successful plan to murder all the Jews in Europe. Almost 50% of the Jews on the face of the earth were captured and killed at that time.
11. On the 9th of Av 5702 (July 23, 1942), the mass deportation began of Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto, en route to Treblinka (death camp).
12. The Jewish community center in Buenos Aires was bombed, killing 86 and wounding 300 others, on Monday July 18, 1994, in the Jewish calendar, the 9th of Av, 5754.
(Note - All these statistics came from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tisha_B 'Av, and
Are you so sure that God is not real?
This article should tell you two things:
1. That God is real. As only God could do that.
And
2. That Judaism is not the place to be. As it surely seems to be cursed by God.(and that is not even counting the Holocaust, etc..)
A savior would tell you that.
What compells religious idiots to waste so much time with essays full of garbage like this, based on no evidence at all?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#11 Jan 19, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
What compells religious idiots to waste so much time with essays full of garbage like this, based on no evidence at all?
Deflection. There needs to be a river of the obstructionist's spiel, flowing over all dogma, so that no one can see that there is nothing of substance beneath it.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#12 Jan 19, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
see atheists. Even if we do give proof you won't believe us or at least consider our proof into a argument, so here's a good reason i don't need to waste my time providing you facts
Did you realize 2014 is marked since jesus birth. That proves Jesus must have live or it we probably would not call this year 2014
The year does not prove Jesus existed. Many places observe other calendars. In many southeast Asian countries, this is 2557, Buddhist Era. Chinese calendars show this as 4711. The European system being used worldwide is n't evidence of universal belief. It is evidence that we are emerging from about two centuries of European imperialism. It is hard to run an empire if everyone isn't using the same calendar. The guys with the guns got to decide what year it was. In some Asian countries, official documents recite both C.E. and B.E. Dates, because they no longer must defer to colonial masters, but need their documents accepted internationally.
Gillette

Fairfield, IA

#14 Jan 20, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
<quoted text>
Proving that Jesus existed, isn't really the purpose of the OP.
It is more to prove that God exists.
Jesus existed, and even the Second Coming, is now on the earth.
TheNewHolyBible.org , is his website.
Mark, nothing in your opening post is a legitimate proof of the existence of God.
Mark Dreher wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus existed, and even the Second Coming, is now on the earth.
TheNewHolyBible.org , is his website.
This is incoherent, You have to do more than just assert things are true.
Jim

London, UK

#16 Jan 21, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
IF science says, dinosaurs never existed, then you believe that.
IF science says, china isn't actually over populated, you would believe that.
If science says, Basketball requires no skill, science is right.
Evidence doesn't mean a thing unless it's 100% proven, not 99, not 90, 100%
And last time i checked, the only evidence of evolution is like 20% if it even did make it that far.
Considering science is based on observational evidence, obviously YES.

How does one become at stupid as you? that is the real mystery of the universe.
Jim

London, UK

#17 Jan 21, 2014
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Deflection. There needs to be a river of the obstructionist's spiel, flowing over all dogma, so that no one can see that there is nothing of substance beneath it.
oh yeah, why don't they just save time and write: INSERT EXTREMELY LONG RELIGIOUS LIE HERE
Jim

London, UK

#18 Jan 21, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
<quoted text>
The Second Coming is now "on the earth".
That is pretty clear.
This, is his website : TheNewHolyBible.org
There's no such thing as god and you need to get some help.

The problem with you folk is that some poor sod has to look after you, just because you choose to abandon reality and chase your hallucinations.

You voluntarily mentally ill are a burden on society. Religious illnesses can be cured with critical thinking, brute honesty and sometimes even medication.

“In God we trust”

Since: Dec 12

Cape Town, South Africa

#20 Jan 21, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Considering science is based on observational evidence, obviously YES.
How does one become at stupid as you? that is the real mystery of the universe.
You know what you should really call stupid. The gaps in the fossil record that are needed to prove Evolution.

There, i just disproved evolution.

Did you know some apes that evolved into humans are only thought to have existed, because if they didn't, humans wouldn't be here, UNLESS, God got in the way.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#22 Jan 21, 2014
Carchar king wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what you should really call stupid. The gaps in the fossil record that are needed to prove Evolution.
There, i just disproved evolution.
Did you know some apes that evolved into humans are only thought to have existed, because if they didn't, humans wouldn't be here, UNLESS, God got in the way.
LOL! The only thing you've disproved is your claim of being intelligent.
Amused

Lowell, MA

#24 Jan 21, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
<quoted text>
Proving that Jesus existed, isn't really the purpose of the OP.
...
Hence the quote of the material to which I was replying. Try to keep up.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#25 Jan 21, 2014
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
oh yeah, why don't they just save time and write: INSERT EXTREMELY LONG RELIGIOUS LIE HERE
Ha, ha exactly

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#26 Jan 21, 2014
Mark Dreher wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, God created us.
But God did it, through evolution.
And, through God's discretion, God characterizes that, by saying "I created you".
Which God did.
So the god was actually the first ape (primate)? And man evolved from that "made in his image" beginning? Did the god do any evolving so that he mght become as we are now, humanoid?

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