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Oct 26, 2012
 
Clementia wrote:
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Upset LOVER? LOL. No I don't think that?
Noooooooooo! I didn't mean my belief. What I was trying to say is that why do you care if christians or other faiths believe in God?
I know you're new here but it's best to make allowances for people's typos. Otherwise people will start correcting any typos, spelling and grammatical errors you make.

Christians believe in one particular god and people of other faiths believe in other gods. They are different, you know.

But for the purpose of this post I'll stick to Christians as an example:

I don't care what Christians believe in but I do have a problem when they want government support for their commandments and prayers; when they want to substitute science with their particular creation myth and when they want their religious prejudices to be enacted in statutory legislation, etc.

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#153
Oct 26, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Ah yes.

Such a wonderful god.

He created smallpox.

Then he ensured millions of men, women, children and babies died painful deaths over tens of thousands of years before letting humanity find a cure.
You prove your ignorance with every post.

Man brought sin and death into the world.
Isn't it nice that mankind was given the freedom of choice, and not made us as puppets of God? Man goofed up big time. God did not!

The universe is balanced there is good
And bad. Get use to it!

"He created smallpox.

Then he ensured millions of men, women, children and babies died painful deaths over tens of thousands of years before letting humanity find a cure"

Mankind picked this path God simply gave us the freedom of choice to do so.

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#154
Oct 26, 2012
 
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<quoted text>I looked at this

The article you refer to was written by someone called Mark Hartwig.

I checked his scientific credentials and his expertise is educational psychology in which he holds a PhD.

You must be pretty stupid to prefer his non-knowledge of evolution over the wealth of real knowledge belonging to the many evolutionary and molecular biologists, anatomists, geneticists, etc.

Your choosing Hartwig is a bit like choosing a plumber to rewire your house instead of an electrician.

Dumb,dumb,dumb.

Why doesn't this surprise me?
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"Mark Hartwig has a Ph.D. in educational psychology from UC Santa Barbara and today is a free lance journalist and author. He has written many articles on intelligent design and evolutionary theory which have appeared in newspapers and magazines such as Boundless (a Webzine for college students), the Wall Street Journal, the LA Times, Citizen Magazine, Origins Research where he served as managing editor, and Teachers in Focus Magazine where he served as the editor. He also co-authored Invitation to a Conflict: A Retrospective Look at the California Science Framework with Paul Nelson.

Mark Hartwig served on the Access Research Network Board of Directors and has much experience with outreaching to students through the creation-evolution controversy. He has been an active member of the intelligent design movement by promoting understanding of the basic issues in popular media--especially to college students. Back in his college days, Dr. Hartwig was also a member of "Students for Origins Research" (SOR), a student-run pro-intelligent design origins discussion club which existed on the UC Santa Barbara campus in the 1970's. Mark Hartwig is a thoughtful writer and very experienced in student-outreach, making him an asset to the IDEA Center Advisory Board. "

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<quoted text>Here are just a few things your religion has:

Dragons, unicorns, giants and cockatrices.

A talking snakes and donkeys.

A flat earth.

Bats that are birds and rabbits that chew the cud.

A divine recipe for shitcakes

Genetically altering goats by floating tree bark in water.

Men with milk in their breasts

Oh yes, let's not forget.... A ratio of 3:1 for Pi

Holy holy holy!
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#156
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I know you're new here but it's best to make allowances for people's typos. Otherwise people will start correcting any typos, spelling and grammatical errors you make.
Christians believe in one particular god and people of other faiths believe in other gods. They are different, you know.
But for the purpose of this post I'll stick to Christians as an example:
I don't care what Christians believe in but I do have a problem when they want government support for their commandments and prayers; when they want to substitute science with their particular creation myth and when they want their religious prejudices to be enacted in statutory legislation, etc.
oh dear you scare me, sorry for disturbing you! I was only kidding about the typo!:)

I believe there's only one God too. Don't all faiths believe in the thing that created us? so aren't they all just praising the same thing.

yeah, but like you said it's legal!

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<quoted text>oh dear you scare me, sorry for disturbing you! I was only kidding about the typo!:)

I believe there's only one God too. Don't all faiths believe in the thing that created us? so aren't they all just praising the same thing.

yeah, but like you said it's legal!
But he wants the government to back the preaching of his religion.

Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tail really good some thing some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.

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But he wants the government to back the preaching of his religion.
Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tail really good some thing some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.
If the universe can create itself, that can definitely happen! Wow! what a magical place we live in!!:)

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You prove your ignorance with every post.
Man brought sin and death into the world.
Isn't it nice that mankind was given the freedom of choice, and not made us as puppets of God? Man goofed up big time. God did not!
The universe is balanced there is good
And bad. Get use to it!
"He created smallpox.
Then he ensured millions of men, women, children and babies died painful deaths over tens of thousands of years before letting humanity find a cure"
Mankind picked this path God simply gave us the freedom of choice to do so.
Here we see the lunacy of the godbot.

According to his beliefs, humans are wretched, despicable creatures and totally unworthy of being tolerated by his god of hate and death.

He believes with every fibre of his being that it was his god who set humans up to fail. After all, it was his god that put the tree of knowledge and that talking snake in the garden, to begin with.

No doubt he sees this as a wonderful display of divine goodness and love.

Also note his admission that his god created all that is bad.

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"Mark Hartwig has a Ph.D. in educational psychology from UC Santa Barbara and today is a free lance journalist and author. He has written many articles on intelligent design and evolutionary theory which have appeared in newspapers and magazines such as Boundless (a Webzine for college students), the Wall Street Journal, the LA Times, Citizen Magazine, Origins Research where he served as managing editor, and Teachers in Focus Magazine where he served as the editor. He also co-authored Invitation to a Conflict: A Retrospective Look at the California Science Framework with Paul Nelson.
Mark Hartwig served on the Access Research Network Board of Directors and has much experience with outreaching to students through the creation-evolution controversy. He has been an active member of the intelligent design movement by promoting understanding of the basic issues in popular media--especially to college students. Back in his college days, Dr. Hartwig was also a member of "Students for Origins Research" (SOR), a student-run pro-intelligent design origins discussion club which existed on the UC Santa Barbara campus in the 1970's. Mark Hartwig is a thoughtful writer and very experienced in student-outreach, making him an asset to the IDEA Center Advisory Board. "
In other words he's not qualified to query the science behind evolution.

You carry on using plumbers to rewire your house. I'll stick with electricians.

ROFLMAO!!!!!

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It's all in your Bible - I was hardly scratching the surface.

If you don't like it perhaps it's time for one of your telepathic tete-a-tetes with that 2000 year old zombie of yours.

LOL

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oh dear you scare me, sorry for disturbing you! I was only kidding about the typo!:)
I believe there's only one God too. Don't all faiths believe in the thing that created us? so aren't they all just praising the same thing.
yeah, but like you said it's legal!
No worries. I knew you were kidding but sometimes people don't always see it that way.

If you're in the UK then you'll know that the law will always look at how something is taken rather than the intent it is given. Imagine getting bullied or sexually harassed at work and when you complain, your boss says "I was only kidding".

Also, I'm not sure Christians would agree that their god is the same as the Hindu deity, Brahma.

I know you're reading this, longears. What do you say? Was the universe created by Brahma?

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But he wants the government to back the preaching of his religion.
Evolution: when you think of it you would have start at the very beginning with the primordial soup. Let's go back to the making of the soup. Rain falling on rocks for millions and millions of years washing the correct minerals and elements into a puddle to combine with the correct gases over millions of years. Then to make the fairy tail really good some thing some how created the spark of life and a speck of life came forth. Now this very primitive ( the most primitive life form ever ) lived long enough to mutate and mutate billions of times creating all forms of life ever to exist. Plants and animals adding more and more DNA along the way. Perfecting host and symbiont relationships. Fish and mammals swimming in the oceans some with gills others with blow holes then the birds in the sky and of course the birds that can't fly. Insects and ticks and worms.
Grass and trees and flowers. All from the speck of life that sprang to life with who knows how long of a life span.
Creating some as in algae to create oxygen that would be needed for the life forms that were to follow as it just kept mutating and adding DNA until the arrival of the great ape who figured it all out with no room for error and stood on his soap box and proclaimed this is how it happened no other explanation is possible.
No matter how much you hate it - the evidence for evolution is there while the evidence for magic is not.

Remember folks, if you get an argument about science from a creationist, it's not science at all and is likely to be wildly inaccurate.

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No worries. I knew you were kidding but sometimes people don't always see it that way.
If you're in the UK then you'll know that the law will always look at how something is taken rather than the intent it is given. Imagine getting bullied or sexually harassed at work and when you complain, your boss says "I was only kidding".
Also, I'm not sure Christians would agree that their god is the same as the Hindu deity, Brahma.
I know you're reading this, longears. What do you say? Was the universe created by Brahma?
lol. everyone calls the creator different things, they have a different form in their head, but all religions worship who every made us!! no true monotheist believer can ever say there is two gods, those people r unfaithful to their lord and master! lol u really from nottingham! r u hindu?

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lol. everyone calls the creator different things, they have a different form in their head, but all religions worship who every made us!! no true monotheist believer can ever say there is two gods, those people r unfaithful to their lord and master! lol u really from nottingham! r u hindu?
You're right - die-hard monotheists will always stick to their one invisible cosmic mega-being.

Die-hard pantheists will say there are many cosmic mega-beings.

Of course for thousands of years, the pantheists also included the Jews in their ranks. That stopped after the Jews were conquered by the Persians. The Persian religion of Zoroastrianism is all about one god. This inspired the Jews to ditch the many gods and stick with the one.

You also appear to have a tendency of jumping to unlikely conclusions - what makes you think I'm a Hindu?

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#166
Oct 27, 2012
 
Going back on topic....

Christians see women as entirely subservient to men.

They get it from their Bibles...

"If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."

1 Corinthians 14:35

"I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearingif they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

1 Timothy 2:9-15

So there you have it ladies. Unlike men, you don't get saved by being faithful and holy - you've also got to have babies..

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You're right - die-hard monotheists will always stick to their one invisible cosmic mega-being.
Die-hard pantheists will say there are many cosmic mega-beings.
Of course for thousands of years, the pantheists also included the Jews in their ranks. That stopped after the Jews were conquered by the Persians. The Persian religion of Zoroastrianism is all about one god. This inspired the Jews to ditch the many gods and stick with the one.
You also appear to have a tendency of jumping to unlikely conclusions - what makes you think I'm a Hindu?
the name khatru sounds very hindu, like khatri!!

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Doctor Who Two wrote:
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LOL
The little Marionette is nuts you know. LOL
Let me add this tidbit.
"By applying Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity, astrophysicists have concluded that the Big Bang must have occurred 13.7 billion years ago. They claim that at that time our enormous universe, with its tens of billions of galaxies, each containing many tens of billions of stars, was originally compressed into a singularity of nearly infinite density. Most astrophysicists believe that our enormous universe was initially microscopic in size.
This concept of the creation of our universe defies common sense. It would be called ridiculous if it had not been proclaimed so loudly for so many years by scientists having prestigious degrees. Some scientists realize that there is something fundamentally wrong with this concept, but there is no recognized alternative that is consistent with scientific data."
http://www.olduniverse.com/
lol everyone on here is nuts i tell u!!!!

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#181
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Clementia wrote:
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the name khatru sounds very hindu, like khatri!!
Ah, I suppose it does.

This particular Khatru has its roots in 1970s British rock music.

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You're the one that believes nothing exploded and created everything.
You're the one that believe goo gave birth to life.
You're the one that believes that one single cell of live is the mother to all life but claim a God created perfect Man and Woman could not give birth to man kind because of inbreeding. Lol
You're the one that believes plants gave birth to animals.
You're the one that believes Science is always right.
That's what the evidence points to.

Evolutionary science is supported by vast amounts of evidence and you know what? There's no evidence that contradicts it. You must really hate that. Unless, that is, you have evidence to show that evolution is wrong. Do you? Let's see your evidence that discredits the Theory of Evolution.

In the most ancient rocks...no life is found

As we move to younger and younger rocks, we find:

-simple, single celled life forms
-blue-green, red algae, "iron-algae"
-jellyfish, anemones
-sponges, corals...and animal embryos...

By then, we are in the EDIACARAN PERIOD... Many new animal types are present; tracks and trails become more common and complex; creatures that look like arthropods, and other very complex body forms are found.

Only after all that do we reach the Cambrian Period...and the first primitive vertebrates appear (but related creatures are known from the Ediacaran!).

Over the next 300 million years... amphibians and reptiles evolve (plenty of transitional forms known), and mammal-like reptiles dominate... There is a wonderful collection showing the evolution of mammals from mammal-like reptiles!

A great extinction at the end of the Paleozoic makes room for the mammals and the dinosaurs (and snakes and lizards are present for the first time). Then we find:

slim, fast-moving dinosaurs
slim, fast-moving dinosaurs with feathers
slim, fast-moving animals with dinosaur jaws, heads, necks, hips, tails, etc... with feathers.
slim, fast-moving birds with dinosaur jaws, or heads, etc...

...and then finally, modern-looking birds.

Then another big extinction; we lose the dinos, keep the birds... and the mammals spread out over the land (it WAS pretty empty!). All sorts of new, big mammals evolved...and died out. Whole new groups appear; some disappear, some flourish...

Small toed forest critters become swift, hoofed horses...
Amphibious, sharp-toothed predators become legged whale ancestors...and on branch of their descendants become actual whales (but still with legs for a LONG time!:)

And various primate populations spread across parts of the world, a group in Africa became modern primates, with one group being "us"... Humans.

That's is what the fossils show; it ignores all the tremendous amount of biologic science which totally supports evolutionary theory...the mutation of DNA, natural selection removing some populations with certain mutations, while others do well...

You have millions of fossils, and billions of pieces of data to refute...

...you should get started on it now.

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I thought you didn't believe in God?
Why do you believe in something you don't believe in?
(See what I mean about this one? LOL)
Where in that post of mine you quoted did I say that I believed in yours, or indeed any other god?

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