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Exodus 21:2-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing....If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." A slaveowner was permitted to give a woman to his male slave as a wife. There is no indication that women were consulted during this type of transaction. After serving six years, he would leave, but his wife and children would remain slaves of the slaveowner. Again, there is no indication that the woman was consulted on this arrangement,

Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." A father could sell his daughter as a slave. Even though a male slave is automatically given his freedom after 6 years, a female slave remained a slave forever.

Exodus 22:16-17: The first seventeen verses of Exodus 22 deal with restitution in case of stealing, or damage to, a person's property. Verses 16 and 17 deal with the case of a man who seduces a virgin. This was viewed as a property offense against the woman's father. The woman was expected to marry the seducer. If her father refused to transfer ownership of his daughter to the seducer, the latter was required to required to pay money to her father. The money would be in compensation for the damage to the father's property - his daughter. It would be difficult for a non-virgin to marry.

Exodus 21:22-25 describes a situation in which two men are fighting and one hits a pregnant woman. If the woman has a miscarriage because of the blow, the man is punished as the husband decides and must pay a fine for their act - not to the woman, but to her husband, presumably because he has been deprived of a child. The woman had no involvement. Exodus 21:22: "...he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."

Exodus 23:17 states that only men are required to take part in the feasts of unleavened bread, of harvest and of ingathering: "Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD."

Leviticus: This book deals mainly with the duties of the priesthood, the Levites. Women were not allowed to become priests.

Leviticus 12:1-5 Quotes God as stating that a woman who has given birth to a boy is ritually unclean for 7 days. If the baby is a girl, the mother is unclean for 14 days. "If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days...But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks..." It would appear that the act of having a baby is a highly polluting act. To give birth to a girl is twice as polluting as is giving birth to a boy.
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In Leviticus 18:20 adultery was defined as a man having sexual intercourse with his neighbor's wife. "Moreover thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbour's wife, to defile thyself with her." Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death." Deuteronomy 22:23 extends this prohibition to a man sleeping with a woman who is engaged to be married. If a man has an affair with an unmarried woman, the act is not considered adultery. Married men were free to visit prostitutes. A man who committed adultery did not commit a wrongful act against his own wife, but rather against his male neighbor.

Leviticus 27:6 A child aged 1 month to five years of age was worth 5 shekels if a boy and 3 shekels if a girl. "And if it be from a month old even unto five years old, then thy estimation shall be of the male five shekels of silver, and for the female thy estimation shall be three shekels of silver."

Numbers 3:15 shows that a census counted only male infants over the age of one month, boys and men. "Number the children of Levi after the house of their fathers, by their families: every male from a month old and upward shalt thou number them." Females were not considered worthy of being included.

Numbers 5:11-31 describes a lengthy magical ritual that women were forced to perform if their husbands suspected them of having had an affair. A priest prepared a potion composed of holy water mixed with sweepings from the floor of the tabernacle. He proclaimed a curse over the potion and required the woman to drink it. If she were guilty, she would suffer greatly: her abdomen would swell and her thighs waste away. There is no similar magical test for husbands suspecting of having an affair with another woman.

In Numbers 27:8-11, Moses describes the rules of inheritance that God has stated. If a man dies, his son inherits the estate; his daughter gets nothing. Only if there is no son, will his daughter inherit. If there are no children, then the estate is given to the man's brothers; his sister(s) get nothing. If he had no brother, the estate goes to his nearest male relative. "...If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter. And if he have no daughter, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his brethren. And if he have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his father's brethren. And if his father have no brethren, then ye shall give his inheritance unto his kinsman that is next to him of his family...."

Numbers 30 describes that a vow taken by a man is binding. But a vow taken by a woman can be nullified by her father, if she is still living in her family of origin, or by her husband, if she is married.

Deuteronomy 21:10-13 describes how a soldier can force a woman captive to marry him without regard for her wishes. "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife."
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Deuteronomy 22:13-21 requires that a woman be a virgin when she is married. If she has had sexual relations while single in her father's house, then she would be stoned to death. There were no similar virginity requirements for men. "If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, And give occasions of speech against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid....if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you."

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 requires that a virgin woman who has been raped must marry her attacker, no matter what her feelings are towards the rapist. "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife...."

Deuteronomy 24:1 describes the procedure for obtaining a divorce. This can only be initiated by the husband, not by the wife: "When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house."

Deuteronomy 25:5-10: states that if a woman is widowed, she would be required to marry her former brother-in-law. This was called a "levirate" marriage. Their first-born son will later be considered to be the son of the deceased husband. The man could refuse to marry her. Women were not given a choice in the matter. " If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her."

Deuteronomy 25:11: If two men are fighting, and the wife of one of them grabs the other man's testicles, her hand is to be chopped off. There is no penalty if a male relative were to grab the other man. "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets. Then thou shalt cut off her hand..."

Judges 19:16-30 describes an event similar to Genesis 19. Some men in the city wanted to "know" a visiting Levite. The owner of the house offered his virgin daughter and the Levite's concubine so that the men could rape them. Verse 24 states: "Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you: but unto this man do not so vile a thing." The man sent his own concubine outside to the gang, who proceeded to serially rape her. She died of the attacks. The man only learned of her death when he was leaving the house in the morning and stumbled across her body. The woman was clearly considered expendable and of little value.
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2 Chronicles 36:23 mentions the Second Temple which was constructed after some Jews returned from exile in Babylon. It was rebuilt by Herod late in the 1st century BCE. One of its features was women's court, considered the least sacred area. Next was the court of the Israelites (reserved for males), then the court of the Priests, and finally the Temple itself. The courts were laid out in this order to separate the women as far as possible from the Temple.
During the Second Temple period, women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled. "They had become second-class Jews, excluded from the worship and teaching of God, with status scarcely above that of slaves."

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Way to Religi-Spam that thread to death. Congratulations sir. You are a tool.
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Way to Religi-Spam that thread to death. Congratulations sir. You are a tool.
It needed to die
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2 Chronicles 36:23 mentions the Second Temple which was constructed after some Jews returned from exile in Babylon. It was rebuilt by Herod late in the 1st century BCE. One of its features was women's court, considered the least sacred area. Next was the court of the Israelites (reserved for males), then the court of the Priests, and finally the Temple itself. The courts were laid out in this order to separate the women as far as possible from the Temple.
During the Second Temple period, women were not allowed to testify in court trials. They could not go out in public, or talk to strangers. When outside of their homes, they were to be doubly veiled. "They had become second-class Jews, excluded from the worship and teaching of God, with status scarcely above that of slaves."
The fundamental difference between you and I is that you see all of the above as a good thing, while I see it as barbarianism. God is a man-made thing, and not a woman made thing. The god of the bible is a reflection of the misogynist culture that thought him up. While it is, perhaps, an error to judge an ancient culture by the standards of a modern culture, the god of the bible is evil to the extent that he represents the systematic denigration of a vast portion of the human race. Who knows how much further civilization might have progressed by now if all of human kind had been permitted to participate fully in public life, if women's thoughts were considered as valid as men's.
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Exodus 21:2-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing....If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." A slaveowner was permitted to give a woman to his male slave as a wife. There is no indication that women were consulted during this type of transaction. After serving six years, he would leave, but his wife and children would remain slaves of the slaveowner. Again, there is no indication that the woman was consulted on this arrangement,
Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." A father could sell his daughter as a slave. Even though a male slave is automatically given his freedom after 6 years, a female slave remained a slave forever.
Exodus 22:16-17: The first seventeen verses of Exodus 22 deal with restitution in case of stealing, or damage to, a person's property. Verses 16 and 17 deal with the case of a man who seduces a virgin. This was viewed as a property offense against the woman's father. The woman was expected to marry the seducer. If her father refused to transfer ownership of his daughter to the seducer, the latter was required to required to pay money to her father. The money would be in compensation for the damage to the father's property - his daughter. It would be difficult for a non-virgin to marry.
Exodus 21:22-25 describes a situation in which two men are fighting and one hits a pregnant woman. If the woman has a miscarriage because of the blow, the man is punished as the husband decides and must pay a fine for their act - not to the woman, but to her husband, presumably because he has been deprived of a child. The woman had no involvement. Exodus 21:22: "...he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine."
Exodus 23:17 states that only men are required to take part in the feasts of unleavened bread, of harvest and of ingathering: "Three times in the year all thy males shall appear before the Lord GOD."
Leviticus: This book deals mainly with the duties of the priesthood, the Levites. Women were not allowed to become priests.
Leviticus 12:1-5 Quotes God as stating that a woman who has given birth to a boy is ritually unclean for 7 days. If the baby is a girl, the mother is unclean for 14 days. "If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days...But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks..." It would appear that the act of having a baby is a highly polluting act. To give birth to a girl is twice as polluting as is giving birth to a boy.
You've learned to parrot the bible, but you have not yet learned how to think about what you quote. This makes you only as intellectually advanced as a tape recorder. When you learn how to think about the implications of what you quote, you will understand why it makes thinking people vomit.
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<quoted text>The fundamental difference between you and I is that you see all of the above as a good thing, while I see it as barbarianism. God is a man-made thing, and not a woman made thing. The god of the bible is a reflection of the misogynist culture that thought him up. While it is, perhaps, an error to judge an ancient culture by the standards of a modern culture, the god of the bible is evil to the extent that he represents the systematic denigration of a vast portion of the human race. Who knows how much further civilization might have progressed by now if all of human kind had been permitted to participate fully in public life, if women's thoughts were considered as valid as men's.
Well first off I don't think the above is good. These quotes are all OT I'm a NT guy and I wanted to get things moving on this subject. The NT holds women to a much higher regards. As I do.
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Well first off I don't think the above is good. These quotes are all OT I'm a NT guy and I wanted to get things moving on this subject. The NT holds women to a much higher regards. As I do.
The NT without the OT is a non-sequiter. Unless you buy the story of the creation and the fall, there's no purpose to the story of the crucifixion and the resurrection. Unless there was a fall, there's no reason for a redemptive sacrifice. So christians who say they only follow the NT are either deceiving themselves about what their religion entails, or their beliefs are utter nonsense. Once you realize that the NT only makes sense in the contect of the OT, you have to either swallow the whole thing, or reject the whole thing. All the lunatic parts of the OT, all the acts of a spiteful, hateful god, all the insane rules about slavery, the uncleanness of women, etc are an indivisible part of your beliefs.

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"For a man is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man." 1 Corinthians 11:7
That is completely meaningless.

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The OT is part of the bible and these passages that you posted are proof that women are not mans equal. They were created for men not to control men
That is not proof, that is simply groupings of letters, which happen to spell out words. The words are grouped into sentences, which by their very nature's contain no proof.
Even you know that the proof is not there. Tell me why did the claimed creator of iron, fall before the iron chariot?

Proof that the bible god is nothing more than man's insane ramblings, is found in every holy tome.

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No it means Man was made in Gods own image and women were made for men
No, it means that the bible god was made in mans image.

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You need to better then that!
I posted this stuff to get women to dig up stuff in the bible to proof women's equality.
Since all men, are first female, where is the innate inequality?

Does the god not know how the human reproductive system works? Taking the bible, into account, the god fails at all knowledge, of who and what humans are. He didn't even get the beasts of the field right. Seriously that was where Adam (at his gods behest) first searched for a mate. I think your god expected Adam to mount his chosen beast in front of spotted sticks.

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Nope.
Good answer. See >>
RP: Does the god not know how the human reproductive system works?
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What's the deal with all theses passages in the bible that treat women so poorly ?
Jesus treated women as pretty much equals so way this stuff in the old testament and some in the New Testaments?
It's called reality. The reality that your religion is load of old cobblers.

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What's the deal with all theses passages in the bible that treat women so poorly ?
Jesus treated women as pretty much equals so way this stuff in the old testament and some in the New Testaments?
II didn't write the damned thing, but it is clear that the buybull god was just like his creators, they all suffered from IBPPS.

Do you know the scripture about a woman's hand that has touched a man's danglies,(other than her husbands) would have to be cut off? Even if it was accidental or it happened in a physchial battle in defense of her husband?

Do you know why that hand has to be cut off? It has not been defiled, or in any way dirtied, but is just may have memory. Her hand may again feel the heft, the proportions of that other man's toolage, and compare to the husbands package. Her hand gets cut off, that problem is solved.

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Yes I have read it and this is why I started this thread. I believe women and men are equal. I also believe in the bible young in the study but still studying.
So what do these (12) passage mean?
What else, shitty men, shitty god, shitty bible.
1. How? Midwife, psychical examination, on her wedding night. Blood on the sheets, means proof that a hymen ripped.
2. We call it rape. The god created by men didn't, it was take what you will.
3. That literally means to kill her.
4.I don't know
5. Women are but a hole, by which men are defiled. Paul hated women.
6. The bridegroom cometh, you men are the brides of Christ. Women will have no place there. In the Gospel of Thomas, Infancy of Jesus,(Lost Books of the Bible) Jesus said that he would teach Mary to be male so that she too could get to heaven. The "be fruitful and multiply" was to provide more pretty danglies for the god Jehovah.
7. Imagine that, a woman had no value, except to protect the azzhole of a man.
8. And.....
9. The bible was written by men, the god was conceived by men, the men knew that woman was their superior, they were insecure.
10. Equivalent to being shot as a watermelon thief, death by anything else would not have brought such dishonor to him.
11. Mercifully? Not. No women were taken unless they bled when raped. Girls at least three years and a day old were raped into marriage, but if any younger, they were raped and killed." Children" is misleading, boy children were killed, though I am sure just a few were kept as sex slaves.
12. For a woman not to be impregnated, nullifies her reason to be allowed to live and her husband and father's reasons to have fed and sheltered her.

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You're helping that's for sure.
It's the bible, I made the mistake of reading every last line in it. And now, I am disrespected and hated, and threatened, when I point out dirty little buybull gems, like the god has a thing for pretty penises and golden dipt 'roids.

We who know these things, are in the bible, are supposed to ignore them, keep it to ourselves while the bible thumpers call us vile names, threaten our lives and the lives of our families, and condemn us to an unending torture pit that they can't wait to observe.
Good Christains all!

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But on the other hand....
The New Testament is much better
If you look at the law of the land God tells to follow the laws of the land as long as it does not interfere with your faith. Back then and even today over there the law of the land if horrible to women. It does not have to be that way women can and should wage war and over throw current governments. You have the bigger population and (at least over there) are more intellectual.
Women need to stop the way they are being treated over there and here. I get real tired of every show and movie spending time in strip club. Like that normal!! Men don't really do that but Hollywood is feeding it to us and the younger ones are eating it up.
Ignoring the old testament and lauding the new, is called Cafeteria Christainity.

Liken this biblical tome to all you can eat buffet. Among the light and delicate scrumptious bits of love and forgiveness, lie the putrid heaps of rot and maggot laden, outrageous punishment, designed to shock wayward thithers back into line at the collection plate. For is this, not the prime objective, of the Jewish/Muslim/Pagan god construct? Extraction of goods and money, from those least able to comfortably lose either.

And at this odious repast, our foolish little god-bots dine. They pick and choose, they rummage amongst the filth in search of those bits of ambrosia. Here they gorge themselves and walk away sated. When ones such as ourselves, say that the chit still clings to the chitterlings, they call us liars. When we point it out, "see there is the pile of fecal mess", they disappear. When we again see them they are loading their plates from this foul buffet, the Cafeteria Christain at his finest. Never seeing, what he is forbidden to see, what he must not see.

Hollywood and Madison Avenue are men. Men who do not like women, there are plenty of women who will be used, they have stars and dollar signs in their eyes, and a price on their ass. Tara Banks was just told that she is too fat to model. Google that.

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