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does anyone know why women in secular countries have to carry the names of the families of their husbands?
This practice is disgusting and BARBARIC and it nauseates me.

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It's part of the patriarchal society we have inherited from the Abrahamic culture.

And, by the way, it is not a requirement.
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Does anyone know why womens groups in the west are not more vocal about mis treatment of women in Islamic countries? Oh wait it's thier "culture".

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Sarah ___ wrote:
does anyone know why women in secular countries have to carry the names of the families of their husbands?
This practice is disgusting and BARBARIC and it nauseates me.
We don't have to.

I thought you said you were not going to post on Topix anymore?

Did you get confused yet again?

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Hedonist wrote:
It's part of the patriarchal society we have inherited from the Abrahamic culture.
And, by the way, it is not a requirement.
you haven't inherited it form the abrahamic culture.
it is disgusting because woman has to forsake the name of her real family, the family that raised her.
and if she becomes divorced, she has to change her name again?

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Sarah ___ wrote:
<quoted text>you haven't inherited it form the abrahamic culture.
it is disgusting because woman has to forsake the name of her real family, the family that raised her.
and if she becomes divorced, she has to change her name again?
You're not listening.

You were told it is not a requirement.

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Sarah ___ wrote:
<quoted text>you haven't inherited it form the abrahamic culture.
it is disgusting because woman has to forsake the name of her real family, the family that raised her.
and if she becomes divorced, she has to change her name again?
My ex and I discussed this when w were making decisions before we were married. I asked her what she wanted, i.e., whether she wanted to retain her last name. She replied, "That's my father's name." Not her mother's. Not her grandmother's. You get the idea.

I some societies, women didn't have surnames at all--they were mere appendages who didn't need more than one name. Men's last names reflected male lineage: Lief Ericson being the son of Eric the Red, for instance. Hebrew and Arabic also have prefixes that mean "son of."

Personally, I think the fuss about last names is as artificial and inconsequential as the last names themselves are. I've spent some time researching my ancestry, and although I found some wonderful stories, none of them had anything to do with me, really. Relying on ancestry for identity and self-definition would seem to indicate a weak sense of self. If I were descended from kings or captains of industry, I would still be the same person that I am, basically a middle class American with a part-time musical career and a boring night job.

Over the last century or so, women have been slowly asserting and inserting themselves into areas once dominated by men so that now their roles in society are very nearly equal to those of men--as quickly, at any rate, as backwards men could accept women as equals. Are surnames a significant issue in that process? I don't know, but I doubt it.
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NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>Personally, I think the fuss about last names is as artificial and inconsequential as the last names themselves are. I've spent some time researching my ancestry, and although I found some wonderful stories, none of them had anything to do with me, really. Relying on ancestry for identity and self-definition would seem to indicate a weak sense of self. If I were descended from kings or captains of industry, I would still be the same person that I am, basically a middle class American with a part-time musical career and a boring night job.
The whole idea that one is a product of ones ancestry, race etc in terms of character developement has always amazed me. What we are is no where near as important as who we are.

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because in some countries they still live in the stone age

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i'm happy that post #5 has been removed.
good riddance to bad rubbish.

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Sarah ___ wrote:
i'm happy that post #5 has been removed.
good riddance to bad rubbish.
Those were quotes from you. You call your own words 'bad rubbish'. Consider thinking before you type....

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why are you coming back every now and then trisha?
are you trying to apologize to me?

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Sarah ___ wrote:
why are you coming back every now and then trisha?
are you trying to apologize to me?
You've been told that Women in America are not obliged to take their husband's last name, and then ignore that in the rest of your replies.

You just called your own words 'bad rubbish'.

If I pointing out your own inconsistencies and silliness bothers you so much, then ignore me.

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Trisha wrote:
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Those were quotes from you. You call your own words 'bad rubbish'. Consider thinking before you type....
mr sarah posted from the US again! I have to laugh at how ridiculous he is. Page 803 of Mod 8's thread.

Obviously he was embarrased by his own words, as he should be. It's almost as funny as his post in the sex forum.

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Sarah ___ wrote:
i'm happy that post #5 has been removed.
good riddance to bad rubbish.
All the posts where you made theats have been removed too. What's your point? Why are you so embarrased by your own words?

Are you sorry for spending the last year stalking and harrassing me? You like to dish it out, but you can't take it.

Grow up.

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Sarah ___ wrote:
why are you coming back every now and then trisha?
are you trying to apologize to me?
Nobody owes you an apology. You should be apologizing to us, and to the rest of the islam forum and the topix forum.

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Sarah ___ wrote:
does anyone know why women in secular countries have to carry the names of the families of their husbands?
This practice is disgusting and BARBARIC and it nauseates me.
little girls being forced into marrying smelly old perverts in islamic countries is disgusting and barbaric!! But you see nothing wrong with that, right Sarah??

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because in some countries they still live in the stone age
Yeah, countries like Wisconsin and Texas. Wisconsin's governor just took away a woman's right to the same pay as a man, at the same job. Texas's governor demands that all females including rape victims be wand-raped, when they choose to abort.
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Thunder-Girl wrote:
little girls being forced into marrying smelly old perverts in islamic countries is disgusting and barbaric!!
Very true, and it is no less barbaric when it is done in CHRISTIAN groups.

Are you unfamiliar with the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, which is considered a christian branch?
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Ocean56 wrote:
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Very true, and it is no less barbaric when it is done in CHRISTIAN groups.
Are you unfamiliar with the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints, which is considered a christian branch?
A tiny weird splinter group of a weird ass religion doing weird shit does not quite measure up to the widespread abuse of women in Islamic households. granted religion is used as an excuse for crappy behavior around the world and among different religions but it cracks me up whenever people respond to charges of misogony in Islam with "well so do the _______s"! sounds like a teenager trying to justify bad behavior by pointing out the behavior of others. Like i told my kids "you have control over what you do and how you respond to life and you bear responsibility for your actions, to pawn them off on god or circumstance is nonsense.

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