Does the Pledge of Allegiance offend you?

Created by Very Cynical Person on Aug 27, 2013

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“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#1 Aug 27, 2013
The Pledge of Allegiance.

I really do not want to make anyone angered but.
Maybe in its original form that was written it would be less offensive to some.

In its original form it read:

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, "the Flag of the United States of America" had been added.

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1954, President Eisenhower petition Congress to insert the words "under God," hence the pledge we have today.

The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

Not all believe in the same god. Not all have the same beliefs.

One of the reasons for this great nation is the freedom of religion and ones right to not be religious.

As one that does not believe in a god or gods, The Pledge of Allegiance may not offend me, but it is misleading about want our nation was founded on.

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“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#2 Aug 28, 2013
This nation should be free from religious rule and religious dominance in political office, as well as the guiding actions of political leaders. Not one person believes the same and acts the same, interruption of one’s religious beliefs conflicts with others beliefs. Arrogance becomes the normal road taken by the ones that think that they know what is best for all.

Remember the key words “with liberty and justice for all”.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#3 Aug 30, 2013
Even the ultra-conservative British have removed god from the scouting and guiding Promise and one doesn't have to believe in a god to sit in Parliament....
From:
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-...
I (name of Member) do solemnly, sincerely, and truly declare and affirm, that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, her heirs and successors, according to law.

From:
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/newsandmedi...
The affirmation states:“I (Member’s Name), do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth, Her Heirs and Successors, according to Law.”

I have read that only about 54% of USAmericans would vote for a non-believer in high political office. It would help if US society modernised its thinking and started to lead the world against superstition and religion instead of trailing events and the times.

Religion is divisive and outdated. Separation of Church & State si important, not religious rites or divisive traditions.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#4 Aug 30, 2013
Of course now the Brits just have to get the Queen out of the affirmation too :-)

That is actually more complicated than it sounds without a written constitution, without a bill of rights and with a head of state that's shared with many other nations and territories and with the Commonwealth. But all that is another question and the USA doesn't sets a better example in those respects.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#5 Aug 30, 2013
Oops, I meant: "and the USA sets a better example in those respects"
LCNLin

United States

#6 Nov 11, 2013
'God Save the Queen" is impressive.

England with an established church and now a church run by atheists, alas not tax exempt or supported?
EdSed

Wishaw, UK

#7 Nov 11, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
'God Save the Queen" is impressive.
More religionist drivel.
LCNLin wrote:
England with an established church and now a church run by atheists, alas not tax exempt or supported?
If England tolerates an established church you throw it in our faces. If we disestablish it you would be the first to talk of 'aggressive atheists'.

But we've been through this before. Gods, like pixies, still aren't real.

This thread isn't on the religion forum and you clearly inhabit the Atheist one. You're just trolling, LCNLin, and I think you come here to try and bolster your shallow and silly personal 'faith'. I think you're afraid that non-believers are correct and you've been wrong about religious faith all of your life.

Religion = superstition
Get over it.
LCNLin

United States

#8 Nov 11, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>More religionist drivel.
<quoted text>If England tolerates an established church you throw it in our faces. If we disestablish it you would be the first to talk of 'aggressive atheists'.
But we've been through this before. Gods, like pixies, still aren't real.
This thread isn't on the religion forum and you clearly inhabit the Atheist one. You're just trolling, LCNLin, and I think you come here to try and bolster your shallow and silly personal 'faith'. I think you're afraid that non-believers are correct and you've been wrong about religious faith all of your life.
Religion = superstition
Get over it.
We enjoy the Monarchy in the US, Queen is very popular as are the BBC shows your tax money pays for.

Most people have a tinge of the agnostic,
who can really know for certain...
even believers have crisis of faith.

Evangelistic Atheists, similar to Evangelistic Christians, on threads seem odd, defensive and amusing.

Keep you sense of humor regarding atheism?

“My hand is over my crotch.”

Since: Jan 10

It's time to put it to use

#9 Nov 11, 2013
I can care less since God is not real.

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UK

#10 Nov 12, 2013
I'm Scottish, so...not really.

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#11 Nov 12, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
I'm Scottish, so...not really.
Your plaid skirt and stockings were a dead giveaway.

Since: May 11

UK

#12 Nov 12, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Your plaid skirt and stockings were a dead giveaway.
Well as I live and breathe, it's the crackhead wannabe...

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#13 Nov 12, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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Well as I live and breathe, it's the crackhead wannabe...
That's pretty funny, I admit.

Especially for an Irishman.

Since: Jun 07

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#14 Nov 13, 2013
LCNLin wrote:
'God Save the Queen" is impressive.
England with an established church and now a church run by atheists, alas not tax exempt or supported?
What can a failed creationist say about a country that is a mostly secular and created Richard Dawkins, the man who single handedly brought your laughable creationist cult to its knees using the internet alone!

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#15 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Your plaid skirt and stockings were a dead giveaway.
Its better you talk about skirts, than try to prove they god they sent you here to lie to us about.

Since: Jun 07

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#16 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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That's pretty funny, I admit.
Especially for an Irishman.
The other alternative to laughing for a creationist is feeling the burn of the direct insult.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#17 Nov 13, 2013
Porky Pig recites the Pledge, before "god" was added" -- "
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#18 Nov 13, 2013
Excellent - the comments are worth reading too.
Hedonist wrote:
Porky Pig recites the Pledge, before "god" was added" -- "http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=33-5MbIE7eQXX&list= FLAmJMW89IFfHJvk52XAp35A&i ndex=29"

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#19 Nov 13, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Excellent - the comments are worth reading too.
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Thanks, Tinkling.

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#20 Nov 13, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Thanks, Tinkling.
Have you seen the size of the island that brought down your creationist cult?

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