My Child, The Atheist

Mar 29, 2013 Full story: Catholic Digest 187

It's 11:00 p.m. Do you know where your atheist child is? An alarming number of Catholic parents these days have seen their deepest fear come true.

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Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#21 Mar 31, 2013
But many fiddle with the basic god template until it hates the same shit they do.
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>"He" didn't make up the Christian god, he's just a follower.

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#22 Mar 31, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Irony that atheist spend so much time talking about God and themselves.
Its because we're surrounded by people who shove it in our faces, like you.

“It's all about the struggle”

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#23 Mar 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
F*ck off you faker there are no sides. There's only mutual reality. And in that reality there is no such thing as god and never has been.
You don't represent athiests or speak for them and neither do I. Foolish troll twit.
Gee, for awhile there I thought you were the executive secretary of the Ministry of Truth.

xD

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#24 Mar 31, 2013
Theists invent god and opress atheists with it first, then ask atheists "why you always taking about god?".

Its a bit like segregation in the 60s. White people probably thought to themselves, "why do black people complain about using different loos, and being beaten on the streets?"

It's because people like you are ignorant scum.

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#25 Mar 31, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>"He" didn't make up the Christian god, he's just a follower.
That's what followers do - make up stuff to follow you stupid twit.

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#26 Mar 31, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>Gee, for awhile there I thought you were the executive secretary of the Ministry of Truth.
xD
Oh look its a another comment from you with no proof of god in it.

“It's all about the struggle”

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#27 Mar 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
Theists invent god and opress atheists with it first, then ask atheists "why you always taking about god?".
Its a bit like segregation in the 60s. White people probably thought to themselves, "why do black people complain about using different loos, and being beaten on the streets?"
It's because people like you are ignorant scum.
So what's your excuse for being ignorant scum?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#28 Mar 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
F*ck off you faker there are no sides. There's only mutual reality. And in that reality there is no such thing as god and never has been.
You don't represent athiests or speak for them and neither do I. Foolish troll twit.
Didn't claim to.(shrug)
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#29 Mar 31, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>And then there are those who claim to be atheists but let slip they believe in the supernatural. That is lying too.
Not necessarily. Atheism simply refers to a lack of belief in deities. An atheist can still believe in any other supernatural stuff which may not necessarily have any bearing on Gods, such as witches, magical fairies, ghosts, or psychic powers or some such.

“It's all about the struggle”

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#30 Mar 31, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily. Atheism simply refers to a lack of belief in deities. An atheist can still believe in any other supernatural stuff which may not necessarily have any bearing on Gods, such as witches, magical fairies, ghosts, or psychic powers or some such.
How convenient that those "supernatural" entities' existence doesn't rely on empirical evidence for you to believe in them but a "god" does. That's almost amusing.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#31 Mar 31, 2013
What name do you think an Atheist that doesn't believe in any sort of woo should use?
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily. Atheism simply refers to a lack of belief in deities. An atheist can still believe in any other supernatural stuff which may not necessarily have any bearing on Gods, such as witches, magical fairies, ghosts, or psychic powers or some such.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#32 Mar 31, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Not necessarily. Atheism simply refers to a lack of belief in deities. An atheist can still believe in any other supernatural stuff which may not necessarily have any bearing on Gods, such as witches, magical fairies, ghosts, or psychic powers or some such.
That's true. Because most of us reject deities out of an intelligent skepticism, it's all too easy to assume that all atheists do as well, but I've met atheists whose rejection is more about rebellion or emotional reaction to the theists in their lives. Not all atheists are as self-aware as the regulars on this forum.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#33 Mar 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What name do you think an Atheist that doesn't believe in any sort of woo should use?
<quoted text>
Skeptic.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#34 Mar 31, 2013
I guess my issue with that word is that it may sound as though you are negative about all matters, and I'm definitely not that.

I do think of myself as a scientific or empirical sceptic but sometimes that gets misconstrued to imply I'm sceptical about science in general.

Maybe we are not destined to have a neutral sounding label! j/k
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>Skeptic.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#35 Mar 31, 2013
nanoanomaly wrote:
<quoted text>How convenient that those "supernatural" entities' existence doesn't rely on empirical evidence for you to believe in them but a "god" does. That's almost amusing.
Did I say that I took supernatural entities seriously?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#36 Mar 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
What name do you think an Atheist that doesn't believe in any sort of woo should use?
<quoted text>
Probably the one given to them by their parents.

Unless it's really bad, then Deed-poll is always an option.
Lincoln

United States

#37 Mar 31, 2013
No president will ever be an atheist.
None even considered
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#38 Mar 31, 2013
Ever?

Bollocks.

Chile's already had a publicly Agnostic President.
Lincoln wrote:
No president will ever be an atheist.
None even considered

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#39 Mar 31, 2013
Thinking wrote:
I guess my issue with that word is that it may sound as though you are negative about all matters, and I'm definitely not that.
I do think of myself as a scientific or empirical sceptic but sometimes that gets misconstrued to imply I'm sceptical about science in general.
Maybe we are not destined to have a neutral sounding label! j/k
<quoted text>
The defining quality of a skeptic is not negativity but the avoidance of unnecessary assumptions, of questioning ideas before accepting or rejection them. Wikipedai puts it thus:

Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[2]

Philosophical skepticism is an overall approach that requires all information to be well supported by evidence.[3] Classical philosophical skepticism derives from the 'Skeptikoi', a school who "asserted nothing".[4] Adherents of Pyrrhonism, for instance, suspend judgment in investigations.[5] Skeptics may even doubt the reliability of their own senses.[6] Religious skepticism, on the other hand is "doubt concerning basic religious principles (such as immortality, providence, and revelation)".[7]

Skeptics, then, require that ideas be supported by all available evidence before they are accepted as valid or true, even on a provisional basis. If readers or listeners jump to the conclusion that you are negative about all matters, the solution is to define skepticism for them rather than drop the word's use unless you can find another word that defines the approach to knowledge better.
Thinking

Mirfield, UK

#40 Apr 1, 2013
I read that article. It's very useful and allowed me to self identify as a scientific or empirical sceptic.
NightSerf wrote:
<quoted text>The defining quality of a skeptic is not negativity but the avoidance of unnecessary assumptions, of questioning ideas before accepting or rejection them. Wikipedai puts it thus:
Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences) is generally any questioning attitude towards knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[2]
Philosophical skepticism is an overall approach that requires all information to be well supported by evidence.[3] Classical philosophical skepticism derives from the 'Skeptikoi', a school who "asserted nothing".[4] Adherents of Pyrrhonism, for instance, suspend judgment in investigations.[5] Skeptics may even doubt the reliability of their own senses.[6] Religious skepticism, on the other hand is "doubt concerning basic religious principles (such as immortality, providence, and revelation)".[7]
Skeptics, then, require that ideas be supported by all available evidence before they are accepted as valid or true, even on a provisional basis. If readers or listeners jump to the conclusion that you are negative about all matters, the solution is to define skepticism for them rather than drop the word's use unless you can find another word that defines the approach to knowledge better.

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