How to get saved by Jesus?

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#67 Jun 29, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Example: You say you have a god. You can't demonstrate it.
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Probably because you do not understand esoteric apprehension. Is it also as a result of esoteric apprehension that you cannot demonstrate how matter can cause itself to exist?

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#68 Jun 29, 2013
Earth Child 1 wrote:
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Those laws were also in other cultures and belief systems before the bible babble stories. Besides, your god was a user, criminal and murderer in your book of myths. Oh yeah, instead of taking responsibility, your god decides to create a devil to blame it on.
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You are only conveying that there is absolutely no difference between atheists and believers of talking serpents. No wonder some theists say that Atheism is simple a cult based on anthropomorphism.

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#69 Jun 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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It doesn't cause itself to exist. Matter being uncaused is different than matter causing itself.
Virtual particles come into existence randomly: they are uncaused. They do not cause themselves. Instead, their coming into existence is a random thing.
In radioactive decay, there is nothing different about a nucleus just before the decay than at any other time. The decay is uncaused. Again, there is a probability that it will decay within any length of time, but the decay itself is uncaused.
Once again, this destroys your basic 'first cause' argument because we know *many* events that are uncaused.
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Decay is supposed to be of matter that went into decay. How did that matter came to exist if it could not cause itself to exist? See what I mean? Verbal juggling that explains nothing.

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#70 Jun 29, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Only because the followers of the Bible co-opted the morality of other belief systems and merged it into their own. In the process it left many aspects of immorality in the Bible.
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Give me an example of a religious systems that does not have immoral elements? Sorry but I don't think you understand concept of morality conveyed by Biblical teaching.

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#71 Jun 29, 2013
swerty wrote:
4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
It is clear that God doesn't give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".<quote d text>
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Behold another one akin to believers of talking serpents. What's the difference between atheists and the common theist? Both belong to the same cult of anthropomorphism.

Since: Feb 13

Tarzana, CA

#72 Jun 29, 2013
Amused wrote:
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But it exists primarily for those who do not think, whether from lack of ability or from indoctrination.
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Aptitudes that you lack both.
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#73 Jul 1, 2013
More of your "until you understand transcendental floccinaucinihilipilification " BS with no evidence to back it up.
Shibolet wrote:
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Probably because you do not understand esoteric apprehension. Is it also as a result of esoteric apprehension that you cannot demonstrate how matter can cause itself to exist?

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#74 Jul 1, 2013
Thinking wrote:
More of your "until you understand transcendental floccinaucinihilipilification " BS with no evidence to back it up.
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How about your evidences to back up your faith in an uncaused universe?
Thinking

Lymington, UK

#75 Jul 1, 2013
Where did I post those words?
Shibolet wrote:
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How about your evidences to back up your faith in an uncaused universe?

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#76 Jul 1, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Decay is supposed to be of matter that went into decay. How did that matter came to exist if it could not cause itself to exist? See what I mean? Verbal juggling that explains nothing.
Yes, I see what you mean. You think that everything must have a cause and cannot get away from that idea.

When you ask the question 'how', you are assuming there is a cause. That is the basic mistake you make. In quantum fluctuations, there is no matter at some time. At a later time, there is matter and anti-matter. At a still later time, there is no matter. This is spontaneous, unavoidable and uncaused.
Amused

Fitchburg, MA

#77 Jul 1, 2013
Shibolet wrote:
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Aptitudes that you lack both.
You are correct. I do not suffer either from lack of ability to think or from indoctrination. Thank you for noticing.

“Putten the SIN ”

Since: Nov 08

back in Wisconsin

#78 Jul 1, 2013
Lets see. build a time machine, go back in time and find the guy called "jesus", jump in a pond, lake or river to try and drown.(I know,might be kind of hard if you can swim). Have jesus jump in and SAVE you. DONE, saved by jesus. Hopefully he can swim.

Other avenues include accidental choking, mouth to mouth, open heart surgery (could be complicated), ooooo saves you from a burning hut, Syphilis!!
Ant

Alpharetta, GA

#79 Jul 2, 2013
Revelation 21:8
8 But the Cowardly, the Unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”

No bigger cowards and unbelievers out there more than atheists!!!
Amused

Fitchburg, MA

#80 Jul 2, 2013
Ant wrote:
...[citation to fairy tale snipped]

No bigger cowards and unbelievers out there more than atheists!!!
You just realized that atheists are "unbelievers"? Congratulations, you've won today's "Well, Duh" award.

“Reason's Greetings!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#81 Jul 2, 2013
Ant wrote:
Revelation 21:8
8 But the Cowardly, the Unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
No bigger cowards and unbelievers out there more than atheists!!!
Picking and Choosing again from your book of multiple choice?

Why did you not call all atheists "the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars"? Is it because that is not what your quote actually says?

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#82 Jul 2, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Yes, I see what you mean. You think that everything must have a cause and cannot get away from that idea.
When you ask the question 'how', you are assuming there is a cause. That is the basic mistake you make. In quantum fluctuations, there is no matter at some time. At a later time, there is matter and anti-matter. At a still later time, there is no matter. This is spontaneous, unavoidable and uncaused.
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I think that everything must have a cause because I don't believe in magic.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#83 Jul 2, 2013
Amused wrote:
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You are correct. I do not suffer either from lack of ability to think or from indoctrination. Thank you for noticing.
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To appeal to authority is indoctrination. That's all that atheists do is to appeal to authorities as long as the authority is not a theist as in the case of George Lemaitre.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#84 Jul 2, 2013
gotnatas wrote:
Lets see. build a time machine, go back in time and find the guy called "jesus", jump in a pond, lake or river to try and drown.(I know,might be kind of hard if you can swim). Have jesus jump in and SAVE you. DONE, saved by jesus. Hopefully he can swim.
Other avenues include accidental choking, mouth to mouth, open heart surgery (could be complicated), ooooo saves you from a burning hut, Syphilis!!
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That's for you and Christians.

Since: Feb 13

Los Angeles, CA

#85 Jul 2, 2013
Ant wrote:
Revelation 21:8
8 But the Cowardly, the Unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
No bigger cowards and unbelievers out there more than atheists!!!
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Hey Ant, you cannot fight atheists by using your weapons. Use theirs. Ask them to prove their faith in the eternity of the universe. They believe that the universe never had a beginning.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#86 Jul 2, 2013

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