This made me give up "And when you say "I believe god does not exist", you meant "I THINK god does not exist"." I already said that when you're trying to make definitions it should be from a third person perspective it should be noncommittal it shouldn't be based on one persons view. And here you are still trying to make me say in my definition of my position for everyone to use "think" instead of "believe", what part of this do you not understand I wasn't trying to have my position of atheism the main part of my original post, it was a noteworthy off shot that's it.<quoted text>
Totally agree that we should declare and agree on definitions (of words not positions / propositions) before we can use them to take up positions, and so have sensible debate. Or it is going to be a "comedy of errors like situation" and a series of miscommunications. Just general waste of time even when we agree on something (cause that something may mean different to both of us)
A lot of people use the words believe and faith but they have ambiguous usage (many meanings). I use the word 'belief' strictly by one definition ONLY ie "hold argument as valid without proof", which is irrational. SO in my book, the opposite (mutually exclusive) of a "believer" is a "rationalist" who must always have reason for his position
Yes you do not post like you share characteristics of those prone to faith/belief.
And when you say "I believe god does not exist", you meant "I THINK god does not exist". Does throw people like me off tho. Why cant english be more formal already :( One word one meaning, how difficult is that?
Yes agree, I am using 'my' definitions. I thought they are the prevalent definitions (not better). Not here apparently.
Yes we are ignorant of so many things. But Agnosticism is not simple ignorance, it is the knowledge of our ignorance. A position that WE KNOW THAT WE DON'T KNOW. From there starts the search for all knowledge.
(not formal def. of agnosticism, just trying good rhetoric)
Yes I was trying to get you to say that (naughtily?), or concede position of atheist. Either you got proof or you don't. I say take up a position and defend like a man (rationalist worth his salt..) or piss off. Sorry! I am slipping back into my ruder self,(call it being direct, but apparently that is rude!)
Yes AGREE, very necessary to first define things, then agree on definitions, or at least declare YOUR definitions before presenting your position (or not, for others...). RATIONAL
I give up and despair.