atheism and evolution and "Mad Madalyn"

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john

Angola, IN

#1 Dec 13, 2012
I was once a member of the Phoenix chapter of American Atheists,late 1980s. I quit in disillusion after the chapter was torn asunder by Madalyn O'hair over a political dispute with some of the local leaders.
There are three ideas that I believe, all of these years later, that need to be addressed:

1. Madalyn O'hair was a witch. She turned off as many people as she attracted. She was a very unpleasant person and it did atheism no good to have her as the self-appointed leader of the cause.

2. Religions in general and the religious right in particular will always be a part of American politics, because of money and power.
The moral majority, the christian coalition, and, now, the Tea Party are simply the most recent incarnations of a trend that has been with us from the beginning of the Republic. It will not end anytime soon.

3. Third, and most importantly, athiesm itself is sort of a non-starter in the USA. With more than a third of all Americans believing in a very young Earth and roughly half (or more!) of all Americans skeptical of evolution, atheism puts the cart before the horse. If 95% of all Americans accepted evolution, there would naturally be more room for atheism. Atheism is irrelevant in light of the well-funded creationist/ID movement that comes back again and again. to say nothing of more than 400,000 churches.
not in my name

London, UK

#2 Dec 16, 2012
john wrote:
I was once a member of the Phoenix chapter of American Atheists,late 1980s. I quit in disillusion after the chapter was torn asunder by Madalyn O'hair over a political dispute with some of the local leaders.
There are three ideas that I believe, all of these years later, that need to be addressed:

1. Madalyn O'hair was a witch. She turned off as many people as she attracted. She was a very unpleasant person and it did atheism no good to have her as the self-appointed leader of the cause.

2. Religions in general and the religious right in particular will always be a part of American politics, because of money and power.
The moral majority, the christian coalition, and, now, the Tea Party are simply the most recent incarnations of a trend that has been with us from the beginning of the Republic. It will not end anytime soon.

3. Third, and most importantly, athiesm itself is sort of a non-starter in the USA. With more than a third of all Americans believing in a very young Earth and roughly half (or more!) of all Americans skeptical of evolution, atheism puts the cart before the horse. If 95% of all Americans accepted evolution, there would naturally be more room for atheism. Atheism is irrelevant in light of the well-funded creationist/ID movement that comes back again and again. to say nothing of more than 400,000 churches.
I was once a committed Christian and attended my church regularly. Then one day during a conversation with another member I realised neither of us believed much if what the bible had to say, we liked the idea of a Jesus getting involved with the poor & unloved in society, but we both realised that the current right wing political agenda of much of evangelical Christianity was something neither of us was willing to accept, so I left that week and my neighbour left a week later. I'm truly dismayed worried that the church hasn't fully thought through the consequences if this type of alliance and may suffer greatly for it in the future, my 2 nieces have turned their backs on their church now too.
KittenKoder

Seven Hills, Australia

#3 Dec 17, 2012
godless commies killing each other over money
speaks for itself
tom

Wabash, IN

#4 Dec 17, 2012
Madalyn Murray did make a major contribution to American jurisprudence and civil rights with the Murray v. Curlett case. However, her later court cases were largely unsuccessful and seem to be designed as much to gin up publicity and donations to her organization as they were designed to actually win. I can recall seeing her very many years ago, perhaps early 1970s, on the Phil Donahue talk show. Her style was abrasve, but she seemed to be very intelligent and well-informed and educated. It is too bad that she did not have more in the way of diplomacy and social graces.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#5 Dec 18, 2012
I don't believe you. Why do you need to lie to get your "point" across?
john wrote:
I was once a member of the Phoenix chapter of American Atheists,late 1980s. I quit in disillusion after the chapter was torn asunder by Madalyn O'hair over a political dispute with some of the local leaders.
There are three ideas that I believe, all of these years later, that need to be addressed:
1. Madalyn O'hair was a witch. She turned off as many people as she attracted. She was a very unpleasant person and it did atheism no good to have her as the self-appointed leader of the cause.
2. Religions in general and the religious right in particular will always be a part of American politics, because of money and power.
The moral majority, the christian coalition, and, now, the Tea Party are simply the most recent incarnations of a trend that has been with us from the beginning of the Republic. It will not end anytime soon.
3. Third, and most importantly, athiesm itself is sort of a non-starter in the USA. With more than a third of all Americans believing in a very young Earth and roughly half (or more!) of all Americans skeptical of evolution, atheism puts the cart before the horse. If 95% of all Americans accepted evolution, there would naturally be more room for atheism. Atheism is irrelevant in light of the well-funded creationist/ID movement that comes back again and again. to say nothing of more than 400,000 churches.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#6 Dec 18, 2012
Cockpuppet nonce.
KittenKoder wrote:
godless commies killing each other over money
speaks for itself
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#7 Dec 20, 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madalyn_Murray_O 'Hair
Interesting case.

Relgion is naturally declining in the face of science and education.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

Keep the community and charity work. Ditch the dogma.

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