I've Been a Bad Atheist

I've Been a Bad Atheist

There are 79 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jul 26, 2013, titled I've Been a Bad Atheist. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

I have an evangelical urge. It's part of who I am. Because I like to spread whatever good news I feel I've come into possession of, I often find myself in conversations with people who think differently than me.

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EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#41 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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You appear to reject the fact of human psyche which evolved in the past 100,000 years or so in believing creator, etc.
The 'fact'? I suspect you misunderstand or overinvest in such 'facts'.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#42 Aug 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No-- I'm quite serious: Jesus and Santa Claus are **exactly** the same-- fairy tales.
And yes-- kids see through Santa pretty quickly.
Alas, Jesus-myth is driven home with more intent, and bigger lies-- so it's more difficult to see through for what it is: a myth.
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**EXACTLY**. The EXACT same thing happens with the Jesus-myth!
The **majority** play along, not REALLY following the rules of that myth-- they just want to fit it!
GOOD!
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The most rigorous historical research has concluded that Jesus was myth first-- the **oldest** material still in existence, without exception, speaks of jesus as a celestial being-- a spirit or ghostly apparition. Angel-like if you will.
The jesus-as-man was tacked on much-much later-- about 100 or 150 years later, it appears.
Re. last item: I was referring to research about "belief" in something being beneficial to mental well being, and not myths or mythologised history itself.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#43 Aug 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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WHAT "mystery"
Not that long ago? Lightning was 100% mystery to everyone on earth-- they had no clue what caused it, or why it did what it did.
Fast-forward to today? We have a great deal of understanding of lightning-- but there's still depths to be plumbed.
But one thing is **certain**-- it's natural. It's **not** magic at all-- no gods involved in lightning strikes.
This was proven definitively by Ben Franklin: who's humble iron lightning rods **controlled** where and how lightning struck buildings.
WHAT GOD WOULD SUFFER SUCH AS THAT TO THWART IT'S WILL?
Answer: only a god who wasn't there....
... for one thing common to gods: EGO.
Why do they require so much worship, if they didn't have a massively bloated EGO?
So no god would suffer such as the humble lightning rod, to control it's lightning bolts.
Ergo? Lightning is NOT from ANY god.
I do not worship anything, let alone GOD of any form. However, I do find praying does help at times of distress.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#44 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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I do not worship anything, let alone GOD of any form. However, I do find praying does help at times of distress.
If you find talking to thin air worthwhile, then please go ahead and do it. Just leave us sane people out of your personal rituals.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#45 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Re. last item: I was referring to research about "belief" in something being beneficial to mental well being, and not myths or mythologised history itself.
But there is nothing that demonstrates that belief **in****general** is beneficial in any way, shape or form.

For one thing, there would be no way to form a testable hypothesis that wasn't full of opinion and bias.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#46 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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I do not worship anything, let alone GOD of any form. However, I do find praying does help at times of distress.
So?

Meditation is even **more** effective at stress relief-- this **has** been proven true by various studies.
LCN Llin

United States

#47 Aug 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So?
Meditation is even **more** effective at stress relief-- this **has** been proven true by various studies.
"*has** been proven true by various studies." ;-)

If you have no links or examples to offer ...... ;-)

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#48 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Re. last item: I was referring to research about "belief" in something being beneficial to mental well being, and not myths or mythologised history itself.
"Belief in something" encompasses a trust in Science. Whatever mental benefit is derived from simply 'believing' in something is therefore accessible to all. In fact though, I would think the 'mental benefit' derived would be much greater for a belief in something that manifests itself in tangible benefit to Mankind.

Belief in imaginary Sky Pixies may seem, at first, harmless, even 'beneficial' as your referenced 'research' might indicate. How did the researchers know WHICH BELIEF was providing the benefit? Seems to me we all, godbot and Atheist alike, spend our lives immersed in one 'belief' or another. Nobody trudges around, toting the necessary knowledge or evidence to totally eliminate 'belief' from their lives. "Belief in something" covers a lot of ground. I'm sure 'greater than themselves' is inferentially tacked onto the end, significantly changing the meaning of the phrase.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#49 Aug 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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But there is nothing that demonstrates that belief **in****general** is beneficial in any way, shape or form.
For one thing, there would be no way to form a testable hypothesis that wasn't full of opinion and bias.
Are you not missing a point. Facts in themselves are one thing and the facts about human psychological development are other matters.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#50 Aug 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So?
Meditation is even **more** effective at stress relief-- this **has** been proven true by various studies.
Meditation was practised by many and can be said to be intensive "prayers" of a sort. LOL!

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#51 Aug 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Meditation was practised by many and can be said to be intensive "prayers" of a sort. LOL!
Stress kills. The ordinary pressures of existence can produce stress by the bucket load and that stress has a demonstrable effect on the immune system along with various psychological maladies. Any process or practice that reduces stress (see note for medical description) is, without doubt, beneficial. Whether it's prayer, meditation, stroking a pet or rubbing magic ju-ju beans and muttering incantations ... if it reduces your stress, it can have a measurable 'benefit'.

I'm sure what we perceive as 'reduced stress levels' is a result of the brain juicing us with it's own, home grown, morphine ... our friend, Mr. Endorphin. Like any other opiate, we can and will get addicted to it. Thrill Junkies and godbots are both rather pitifully addicted to the stuff. Any number of behaviors, some good, some bad can thus trace their origins to this handy little hormone. But, I digress.

In fact, I've digressed so much I forgot my original point. Suffice to say that there are lots of activities that can reduce stress. Some, such as everybody praying and waving their arms around ... not so good. It may seem harmless and produce the desired effect but wouldn't the time and energy be better spent ... I dunno ... doing something useful?

Note
" http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c... ;
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#52 Aug 3, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Stress kills. The ordinary pressures of existence can produce stress by the bucket load and that stress has a demonstrable effect on the immune system along with various psychological maladies. Any process or practice that reduces stress (see note for medical description) is, without doubt, beneficial. Whether it's prayer, meditation, stroking a pet or rubbing magic ju-ju beans and muttering incantations ... if it reduces your stress, it can have a measurable 'benefit'.
I'm sure what we perceive as 'reduced stress levels' is a result of the brain juicing us with it's own, home grown, morphine ... our friend, Mr. Endorphin. Like any other opiate, we can and will get addicted to it. Thrill Junkies and godbots are both rather pitifully addicted to the stuff. Any number of behaviors, some good, some bad can thus trace their origins to this handy little hormone. But, I digress.
In fact, I've digressed so much I forgot my original point. Suffice to say that there are lots of activities that can reduce stress. Some, such as everybody praying and waving their arms around ... not so good. It may seem harmless and produce the desired effect but wouldn't the time and energy be better spent ... I dunno ... doing something useful?
Note
" http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c... ;
Yoga is also worth trying!
LCN Llin

United States

#53 Aug 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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So?
Meditation is even **more** effective at stress relief-- this **has** been proven true by various studies.
"by various studies"
no links........
no sites.........

http://www.virtualprofessors.com/god-debate-d...

Watch Christopher Hitchens debate
Like Bob only with a high school education
LOL

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#54 Aug 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Are you not missing a point. Facts in themselves are one thing and the facts about human psychological development are other matters.
Dishonest weasel words from creationist too scared to prove the god he knows he's lying about.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#55 Aug 3, 2013
LCN Llin wrote:
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"by various studies"
no links........
no sites.........
http://www.virtualprofessors.com/god-debate-d...
Watch Christopher Hitchens debate
Like Bob only with a high school education
LOL
Creationist liar wi no proof of god continue to talk despite warnings.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#56 Aug 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Are you not missing a point. Facts in themselves are one thing and the facts about human psychological development are other matters.
Facts are facts, dude. That's kinda why they call'em "facts".

Theories are something else, though.

You appear to be confusing "fact" and "theory" here.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#57 Aug 3, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Meditation was practised by many and can be said to be intensive "prayers" of a sort. LOL!
Only if you are brain-damaged, would you call it such.

Praying, by definition, is begging some god/deity to **change** actual **reality** to suit your wishes, whatever that may be.

As such?

Praying is literally ego-driven insanity.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#58 Aug 3, 2013
RHill wrote:
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Stress kills. The ordinary pressures of existence can produce stress by the bucket load and that stress has a demonstrable effect on the immune system along with various psychological maladies. Any process or practice that reduces stress (see note for medical description) is, without doubt, beneficial. Whether it's prayer, meditation, stroking a pet or rubbing magic ju-ju beans and muttering incantations ... if it reduces your stress, it can have a measurable 'benefit'.
I'm sure what we perceive as 'reduced stress levels' is a result of the brain juicing us with it's own, home grown, morphine ... our friend, Mr. Endorphin. Like any other opiate, we can and will get addicted to it. Thrill Junkies and godbots are both rather pitifully addicted to the stuff. Any number of behaviors, some good, some bad can thus trace their origins to this handy little hormone. But, I digress.
In fact, I've digressed so much I forgot my original point. Suffice to say that there are lots of activities that can reduce stress. Some, such as everybody praying and waving their arms around ... not so good. It may seem harmless and produce the desired effect but wouldn't the time and energy be better spent ... I dunno ... doing something useful?
Note
" http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.c... ;
Thanks. Interesting.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#59 Aug 4, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Dishonest weasel words from creationist too scared to prove the god he knows he's lying about.
You are of the same frame as those creationist. I am not a creationist just because I Do believe in the notion of GOD! I do not claim that my belief is a fact like the followers of religions.
However, you cannot discount history where contribution, both positive and negative, was made religions. I have repeatedly stated that religions are nothing but mere inventions of humans. Where does "creation" lie feature in my posts, septic skeptic?
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#60 Aug 4, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Facts are facts, dude. That's kinda why they call'em "facts".
Theories are something else, though.
You appear to be confusing "fact" and "theory" here.
It is you who failed to read my post properly just because "usefulness" of belief creeps into posts. Where have I stated GOD exists? However, at the same time you wrong to say GOD does not exist. Religions are all inventions of humans. Now, tell me why did various, often distinct, cultures saw a need for belief in GOD? Here, we are talking about the fact of their need and not if their invention was proved fact (it is not).

There maybe many reasons but the main one is "helplessness" in times when support is needed. "Power" of priests, etc came later.

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