I've Been a Bad Atheist

Jul 26, 2013 Full story: Daily Kos 79

I have an evangelical urge. It's part of who I am. Because I like to spread whatever good news I feel I've come into possession of, I often find myself in conversations with people who think differently than me.

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uIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#21 Aug 1, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Dollars have worth because the our government says so. It is worth less with each new issue because there is nothing backing other than our government's word.
By the way, stores do not have to accept cash for purchases. What are you going to do when you encounter that situation? Barter your way out of it?
I'm guessing Congress didn't give a shit what atheists thought when they passed the bill in 1956 putting that slogan on our currency.
The Appeals Court ruled that "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise.~"
That's been known for more than 40 years so your rant on that issue is passe and redundant. I expect that was before you were even born considering your childish writing so your lack of knowledge on the history of this country is understandable.
How long the dollar will be dropped as world currency reserve if goobermint keeps printing it out of thin air? US fed reserve is killing USD the macroeconomic war fare on global scale had ruined American economic and financial wellbeing and the world economies. Even few of our Allies like japan and India... are complaining US is ruining thier economy
LCN Llin

United States

#22 Aug 1, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Let's sum up the Democrats....
Control of the White house, Senate and House for 2 years. Couldn't pass a budget.
Obama submits a budget to the Senate and can't even get 1 vote from his party.
5 years into Obama's presidency and what do we have? We have this:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/poverty-...
Oh, let's not forget Obama giving a free pass to Illegals, releasing thousands from detention centers, and initiating a "catch and release" Border Patrol.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/01/oba...
Bet you swallowed that "We have to pass this bill to see what's in it" bullshit too, didn't you?
Libertarian Hate America and feel entitled to the presidency

Since: Jun 07

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#23 Aug 1, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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You fail to understand that it has nothing to do with mental illness but to do with human psyche. Repeated research on the matter of belief has indicated that it is beneficial. Now looks like you may be one (or few) off.Such being the case then belief could be warding off mental illnesses at times!
NB: I do not like you making personal comment just because you are a hardened skeptic.
Its a mental illness because it involves rejection of facts.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#24 Aug 1, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Let's sum up the Democrats....
Go ahead-- I'm not a Democrat, doofus.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#25 Aug 1, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Dollars have worth because the our government says so.
Bullshit. Are you seriously this **stupid** or did you take special stupid-lessons?

Dollars are worth what they are, because of collective agreement.

It's give and take: a bushel of wheat costs X dollars, which is one way the dollar's value is determined.

A gram of gold costs Y dollars-- another way the dollar's value is determined.

A given stock costs Z dollars-- yet **another** way the dollar's value is determined.

Each of these is in conflict with the others-- and the countless millions of other things dollars purchase.

But that's only part of the whole.

A dollar is **also** worth Q Euros-- another way to determine it's value.

Dollars are traded all the time for foreign currency, in addition for real world goods (wheat), commodities (gold), and a percentage of businesses (stocks) and other things.

All of these-- working together-- determine the dollar's value.

Only back in the defunct USSR, with it's artificial economy, is currency's value set by a government-- in that case, the Ruble was set by the USSR government-- and as a result?

Pretty much **worthless* anywhere outside the USSR.

You are a near-total MORON.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#26 Aug 1, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Its a mental illness because it involves rejection of facts.
Yep.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#27 Aug 2, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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You are hardly more realistic.
You express a belief in something that doesn't exist every time you pull out your billfold to pay for something.
My bank balance and my Visa, are rather tangible, not so the gods.

But try again, as you are one of the dolts who claim a belief system for people whom you have no concept as to who they really are, nor do you have any concept of what those people might believe or not believe.

Keep guessing, we will tell you if you do manage to get something(anything) right.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#28 Aug 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I'd love to see links to this research you mention-- I've never, ever heard of it myself.
Doesn't mean it's not there, but it strikes me as an odd thing to say.
If simple **belief** was all that was needed? We ought to keep teaching kids Santa Claus right?
I mean it hardly matters, if it's simply belief,**what** a person believes in, right?
Are you being frivolous? Santa Clause myth is just fun for kids and most kids suss it out. However, many kids play along with it as a way to get desired items. "Belief in religion/etc" is the topic. Now, I have read (and viewed TV programmes) numerous reports on researches by some pschologists over last many years. When i find time I will google to search for these. However, you are free to seek those research findings.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#29 Aug 2, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is mostly pure foolishness, knowing your subject matter is a must.
You said that "may make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion", that would hold true only if being atheist required creeds, rituals, holy books, gods, etc.
Then you claim that "that both are beliefs", would you please explain to me (an atheist), the beliefs in having no belief system?
The rest of it you got right, we are more realistic and their beliefs, are naught but fancy.
No one can for sure give reason for our existence. "GOD" can then represent both the mystery of creation and all that we still do not know. I view "Nature" as part of GOD but that is my belief.
If atheists state loudly that there is no "GOD" then it is their belief. If atheists state that there is no GOD as perceived and claimed by all known religions then they are 100% right.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#30 Aug 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Its a mental illness because it involves rejection of facts.
You appear to reject the fact of human psyche which evolved in the past 100,000 years or so in believing creator, etc.

Since: Jun 07

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#31 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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You appear to reject the fact of human psyche which evolved in the past 100,000 years or so in believing creator, etc.
Simple minded coward with no proof of god.

Since: Jun 07

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#32 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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If atheists state loudly that there is no "GOD" then it is their belief. If atheists state that there is no GOD as perceived and claimed by all known religions then they are 100% right.
The burden of proof lies upon the idiot stupid enough to believe in and claim his god applies to all.
LCN Llin

United States

#33 Aug 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Its a mental illness because it involves rejection of facts.
Keep paying your taxes to the Church of England
LOL
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#34 Aug 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Simple minded coward with no proof of god.
no proof of GOd or no proof of no GOD. However, when you be abusive then it is because you have lost an argument. You reject GOd as defined by the culture that gave you that GOD. GOD could be something completely different entity! Think!
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#35 Aug 2, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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The burden of proof lies upon the idiot stupid enough to believe in and claim his god applies to all.
Agree if you are talking about those like jihadists, prolethisers, etc. However, the question remains about the mystery of it all.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#36 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Are you being frivolous? Santa Clause myth is just fun for kids and most kids suss it out.
No-- I'm quite serious: Jesus and Santa Claus are **exactly** the same-- fairy tales.

And yes-- kids see through Santa pretty quickly.

Alas, Jesus-myth is driven home with more intent, and bigger lies-- so it's more difficult to see through for what it is: a myth.
Dak-Original wrote:
However, many kids play along with it as a way to get desired items.
**EXACTLY**. The EXACT same thing happens with the Jesus-myth!

The **majority** play along, not REALLY following the rules of that myth-- they just want to fit it!

GOOD!
Dak-Original wrote:
"Belief in religion/etc" is the topic. Now, I have read (and viewed TV programmes) numerous reports on researches by some pschologists over last many years. When i find time I will google to search for these. However, you are free to seek those research findings.
The most rigorous historical research has concluded that Jesus was myth first-- the **oldest** material still in existence, without exception, speaks of jesus as a celestial being-- a spirit or ghostly apparition. Angel-like if you will.

The jesus-as-man was tacked on much-much later-- about 100 or 150 years later, it appears.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#37 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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No one can for sure give reason for our existence. "GOD" can then represent both the mystery of creation and all that we still do not know. I view "Nature" as part of GOD but that is my belief.
If atheists state loudly that there is no "GOD" then it is their belief. If atheists state that there is no GOD as perceived and claimed by all known religions then they are 100% right.
Einstein poetically referred to the rules by which the universe operates,(the charge on electrons for example) as "god".

He made it quite clear in his personal writings, that he thought this was just a colorful way to speak of the rules-- he never for a second believed there was any organization, uniformity or consciousness to it.

And he on several occasions rejected the idea of a sentient god, especially a personal god.

.......

But, calling the rules "god" leads to all sorts of confusion-- even if you are simply being poetic.

I'd avoid it, if I were you.

People are apt to think you are deranged or worse....

... that you are just another god-robot.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#38 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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You appear to reject the fact of human psyche which evolved in the past 100,000 years or so in believing creator, etc.
There is zero **objective** reason to believe in a magical "creator".

None.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#39 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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no proof of GOd or no proof of no GOD.
False.

Once a god in question is DEFINED? With specific behaviors, specific rules and such? As in, for example, the bible-god?

Then, it becomes easy to prove such beings myth.

Again, the bible-god? Myth-- using the bible (the definition) it is quite simple to show that such a beast cannot possibly exist as depicted in the bible.

That eliminates the bible as a reference-- and effectively proves bible-god is myth too.

And with the resulting domino effect? All 3 Abrahamic gods become myth: Jew-god, Arab-god and Xianst-god. All equally mythical.

That only leaves 10 or 20 thousand other gods to dispense with...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#40 Aug 2, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Agree if you are talking about those like jihadists, prolethisers, etc. However, the question remains about the mystery of it all.
WHAT "mystery"

Not that long ago? Lightning was 100% mystery to everyone on earth-- they had no clue what caused it, or why it did what it did.

Fast-forward to today? We have a great deal of understanding of lightning-- but there's still depths to be plumbed.

But one thing is **certain**-- it's natural. It's **not** magic at all-- no gods involved in lightning strikes.

This was proven definitively by Ben Franklin: who's humble iron lightning rods **controlled** where and how lightning struck buildings.

WHAT GOD WOULD SUFFER SUCH AS THAT TO THWART IT'S WILL?

Answer: only a god who wasn't there....

... for one thing common to gods: EGO.

Why do they require so much worship, if they didn't have a massively bloated EGO?

So no god would suffer such as the humble lightning rod, to control it's lightning bolts.

Ergo? Lightning is NOT from ANY god.

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