I've Been a Bad Atheist

I've Been a Bad Atheist

There are 79 comments on the Daily Kos story from Jul 26, 2013, titled I've Been a Bad Atheist. In it, Daily Kos reports that:

I have an evangelical urge. It's part of who I am. Because I like to spread whatever good news I feel I've come into possession of, I often find myself in conversations with people who think differently than me.

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Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#1 Jul 27, 2013
Yeah, I suppose previous cultural background may often make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion. The only common things two have is that both are beliefs. However, atheists are more realistic than religion followers. Belief is good but to claim that one's belief is the last word or a fact in full is by far a fanciful thing.
Adele

Philadelphia, PA

#2 Jul 27, 2013
I have not been in a church in a few years but I consider myself as being spiritual and still pray to god, I give thanks and ask for guidance. But when it comes to organized , corporate religion I keep my distance. And I would never waste my time arguing with someone about what is the proper way to serve god. And I laugh when I hear Islamist talk about thier faith, their a little bit late in ever trying to convert this country.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#3 Jul 27, 2013
Adele wrote:
I have not been in a church in a few years but I consider myself as being spiritual and still pray to god, I give thanks and ask for guidance. But when it comes to organized , corporate religion I keep my distance. And I would never waste my time arguing with someone about what is the proper way to serve god. And I laugh when I hear Islamist talk about thier faith, their a little bit late in ever trying to convert this country.
You are my type!(: Good luck in your life on this uncertain world!
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#4 Jul 27, 2013
Atheism is a non-belief. Some atheists may also believe that they know that there is no God, but an agnostic atheist who does not claim to know, is just as much an atheist. Atheist is simply not having a belief in a God. It does not require any bragging that one knows that there is no God, that is an extra - and not one that I find very modest or sensible, considering how difficult it would be to prove or find any evidence regarding the matter, one way or the other. I do not quite get why you assert that belief is good. I think there is a better case for nonbelief in a God, but I do not think one can call it "realistic" since who knows what reality is?
Dak-Original wrote:
Yeah, I suppose previous cultural background may often make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion. The only common things two have is that both are beliefs. However, atheists are more realistic than religion followers. Belief is good but to claim that one's belief is the last word or a fact in full is by far a fanciful thing.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#5 Jul 28, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
Atheism is a non-belief. Some atheists may also believe that they know that there is no God, but an agnostic atheist who does not claim to know, is just as much an atheist. Atheist is simply not having a belief in a God. It does not require any bragging that one knows that there is no God, that is an extra - and not one that I find very modest or sensible, considering how difficult it would be to prove or find any evidence regarding the matter, one way or the other. I do not quite get why you assert that belief is good. I think there is a better case for nonbelief in a God, but I do not think one can call it "realistic" since who knows what reality is?<quoted text>
Isn't "simply not having a belief in a God" and "knows that there is no God" pretty much the same thing? If someone is going to go around making assertions, they should at least THINK THEY KNOW what they're talking about. Somebody who doesn't even know "what reality is" probably shouldn't be judging the modesty or sensibility of others! All this 'believe this, believe that','can't prove this, can't prove that'... all zero-sum philosophical meanderings that fill the head with what amounts to statistical noise.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#6 Jul 29, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
Atheism is a non-belief. Some atheists may also believe that they know that there is no God, but an agnostic atheist who does not claim to know, is just as much an atheist. Atheist is simply not having a belief in a God. It does not require any bragging that one knows that there is no God, that is an extra - and not one that I find very modest or sensible, considering how difficult it would be to prove or find any evidence regarding the matter, one way or the other. I do not quite get why you assert that belief is good. I think there is a better case for nonbelief in a God, but I do not think one can call it "realistic" since who knows what reality is?<quoted text>
As far the unknown of the existence of all things is concerned, no one can be certain about the reality of the situation. Religions make wild claims of "messages" and "miracles" while atheists do not. Human psychology is such that belief matters are somewhat hard wired and that is one reason as to why to believe in supernatural force has been proved by researchers to be beneficial to "believers". If you think that you do not need "belief" then you may be a one off or you may not have been subjected the life's worst traumas.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#7 Jul 30, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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As far the unknown of the existence of all things is concerned, no one can be certain about the reality of the situation. Religions make wild claims of "messages" and "miracles" while atheists do not. Human psychology is such that belief matters are somewhat hard wired and that is one reason as to why to believe in supernatural force has been proved by researchers to be beneficial to "believers". If you think that you do not need "belief" then you may be a one off or you may not have been subjected the life's worst traumas.
What you call a belief is mere egotistical wankery. Human beings thinking that they are special and believing that they can control things that cannot.

Religion is what happens when depression is untreated and savage cults get hold of vulnerable people.
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#8 Jul 30, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
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What you call a belief is mere egotistical wankery. Human beings thinking that they are special and believing that they can control things that cannot.
Religion is what happens when depression is untreated and savage cults get hold of vulnerable people.
Whatever works/helps one is okay, provided outrageous claims of "miracle", "truth", etc are not made in order to fool others.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9 Jul 30, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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Whatever works/helps one is okay, provided outrageous claims of "miracle", "truth", etc are not made in order to fool others.
You lie about god because you are weak and cannot cope with the real world.

Your stupidity lies in asking the world to believe along without, widening the net of your mental illness beyond yourself and infecting innocent others.
LCN Llin

United States

#10 Jul 30, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You lie about god because you are weak and cannot cope with the real world.
Your stupidity lies in asking the world to believe along without, widening the net of your mental illness beyond yourself and infecting innocent others.
What you call a belief is mere egotistical wankery.-skeptic-
Dak-Original

Slough, UK

#11 Jul 30, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
You lie about god because you are weak and cannot cope with the real world.
Your stupidity lies in asking the world to believe along without, widening the net of your mental illness beyond yourself and infecting innocent others.
You fail to understand that it has nothing to do with mental illness but to do with human psyche. Repeated research on the matter of belief has indicated that it is beneficial. Now looks like you may be one (or few) off.Such being the case then belief could be warding off mental illnesses at times!

NB: I do not like you making personal comment just because you are a hardened skeptic.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#12 Jul 31, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
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You fail to understand that it has nothing to do with mental illness but to do with human psyche. Repeated research on the matter of belief has indicated that it is beneficial.
I'd love to see links to this research you mention-- I've never, ever heard of it myself.

Doesn't mean it's not there, but it strikes me as an odd thing to say.

If simple **belief** was all that was needed? We ought to keep teaching kids Santa Claus right?

I mean it hardly matters, if it's simply belief,**what** a person believes in, right?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#13 Jul 31, 2013
Dak-Original wrote:
Yeah, I suppose previous cultural background may often make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion. The only common things two have is that both are beliefs. However, atheists are more realistic than religion followers. Belief is good but to claim that one's belief is the last word or a fact in full is by far a fanciful thing.
Your post is mostly pure foolishness, knowing your subject matter is a must.

You said that "may make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion", that would hold true only if being atheist required creeds, rituals, holy books, gods, etc.

Then you claim that "that both are beliefs", would you please explain to me (an atheist), the beliefs in having no belief system?

The rest of it you got right, we are more realistic and their beliefs, are naught but fancy.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#14 Jul 31, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
What you call a belief is mere egotistical wankery. Human beings thinking that they are special and believing that they can control things that cannot.
Religion is what happens when depression is untreated and savage cults get hold of vulnerable people.
Excellent summation of the U. S. Democrat party.

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#15 Jul 31, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is mostly pure foolishness, knowing your subject matter is a must.
You said that "may make one view "atheism" in the same manner to religion", that would hold true only if being atheist required creeds, rituals, holy books, gods, etc.
Then you claim that "that both are beliefs", would you please explain to me (an atheist), the beliefs in having no belief system?
The rest of it you got right, we are more realistic and their beliefs, are naught but fancy.
You are hardly more realistic.

You express a belief in something that doesn't exist every time you pull out your billfold to pay for something.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#16 Jul 31, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent summation of the U. S. Democrat party.
Anyone who votes ReThuglican, and is **not** in the top 1%?

Is an idiot.

For the ReThugs **only** vote for the top 1% on issues.

And that is **it***.

They pretend to vote for other issues-- knowing full well those issues will not pass.

Is abortion legal? Yep.

Can women still vote? Yep.

Can minorities still vote? Yep.

Is Gay Marriage illegal nationally? Nope.

Are contraceptives illegal? Nope.

Is mandatory prayer back in schools? Nope.

Have all the illegals been rounded up and imprisoned? Nope.

Is Obama Care repealed? Nope.

All the Hot Buttons that True Believers™ hold most dear? That the ReThuglicans campaign on?

None have been put into place...

.. not a one.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#17 Jul 31, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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You are hardly more realistic.
You express a belief in something that doesn't exist every time you pull out your billfold to pay for something.
Bullshit.

Money is a modern short-cut for bartering. That's it.

It's pure-D Tinkerbell-- dollars have worth because, collectively, we SAY dollars have worth.

There is nothing magic about that fact.

The fact that a stupid motto is on it has damn-all to do with anything.

In fact? It dilutes the word "god" to a meaningless slogan.

Just as atheists think anyhow...!

So putting "in god we trust" on the money?

Dilutes the meaning of the word "god" into ...

... a slogan.

LOL!

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#18 Aug 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Anyone who votes ReThuglican, and is **not** in the top 1%?
Is an idiot.
~~
Have all the illegals been rounded up and imprisoned? Nope.
Is Obama Care repealed? Nope.
All the Hot Buttons that True Believers™ hold most dear? That the ReThuglicans campaign on?
None have been put into place...
.. not a one.
Let's sum up the Democrats....

Control of the White house, Senate and House for 2 years. Couldn't pass a budget.

Obama submits a budget to the Senate and can't even get 1 vote from his party.

5 years into Obama's presidency and what do we have? We have this:
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/07/poverty-...

Oh, let's not forget Obama giving a free pass to Illegals, releasing thousands from detention centers, and initiating a "catch and release" Border Patrol.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/01/oba...

Bet you swallowed that "We have to pass this bill to see what's in it" bullshit too, didn't you?

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#19 Aug 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit.
Money is a modern short-cut for bartering. That's it.
It's pure-D Tinkerbell-- dollars have worth because, collectively, we SAY dollars have worth.
There is nothing magic about that fact.
The fact that a stupid motto is on it has damn-all to do with anything.
In fact? It dilutes the word "god" to a meaningless slogan.
Just as atheists think anyhow...!
So putting "in god we trust" on the money?
Dilutes the meaning of the word "god" into ...
... a slogan.
LOL!
Dollars have worth because the our government says so. It is worth less with each new issue because there is nothing backing other than our government's word.

By the way, stores do not have to accept cash for purchases. What are you going to do when you encounter that situation? Barter your way out of it?

I'm guessing Congress didn't give a shit what atheists thought when they passed the bill in 1956 putting that slogan on our currency.

The Appeals Court ruled that "It is quite obvious that the national motto and the slogan on coinage and currency 'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise.~"

That's been known for more than 40 years so your rant on that issue is passe and redundant. I expect that was before you were even born considering your childish writing so your lack of knowledge on the history of this country is understandable.
uIdiotRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#20 Aug 1, 2013
Yea this where most of intelligent debater gone to, why u all u didn't even in invite! AND NOT A RELIGIOUS NUT NOR an ATHIEST! BWhhahahhhaaa

Cornel West, Democracy Matters, p146

The three dogmas that are leading to the ... devouring of democracy in America- freemarket fundamentalism, aggressive militarism, and escalating authoritarianism - are often justified by the religious rhetoric of ... Christian fundamentalism.

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